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The Green Bay Packers were 27th in rushing, 32nd in pass defense, and 14th in rush defense. I thought about going with the offensive side of the ball and taking a RB (Lamar Miller) but I feel their biggest are for improvement is defensively. More specifically, they need a guy that can affect both the air attack and ground attack which narrows down my opinion to the defensive line.

11 of the Packers 29 sacks came from two players, AJ Hawk and Desmond Bishop. They need more from the defensive line. While I would like grab a DE, I think they need a 3-4 DT and someone who can spell BJ Raji.

With that said, with the 28th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select, Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis. He is ideal for the 3-4. He also knocked out 44 reps on the bench and ran 4.98 at 6'4', 346 lbs. Also sports a 29.5 in vertical leap.

"He is a consistent defender who combines size, strength, athletic ability, and the understanding of what it takes inside for himself and those around him to do their job. "
 

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with the 29th pick the Baltimore Ravens take Vontaze Burfict. Let him learn under lewis. They need to keep someone mean on that side of the ball.
 

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with the 29th pick the Baltimore Ravens take Vontaze Burfict. Let him learn under lewis. They need to keep someone mean on that side of the ball.

Wow. I don't know what to say about that pick. Part of me gets it, and it's a great fit...the other half has reservations about Burfict who dissapeared on us after having such huge expectations.

But if someone can get him to play, consistantly, they have a real monster.

Nice
 

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Wow. I don't know what to say about that pick. Part of me gets it, and it's a great fit...the other half has reservations about Burfict who dissapeared on us after having such huge expectations.

You an ASU fan or something?
 
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Who will be the Irish Envy version of Mel Kiper and grade the draft class of each of us?
 

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The Green Bay Packers were 27th in rushing, 32nd in pass defense, and 14th in rush defense. I thought about going with the offensive side of the ball and taking a RB (Lamar Miller) but I feel their biggest are for improvement is defensively. More specifically, they need a guy that can affect both the air attack and ground attack which narrows down my opinion to the defensive line.

11 of the Packers 29 sacks came from two players, AJ Hawk and Desmond Bishop. They need more from the defensive line. While I would like grab a DE, I think they need a 3-4 DT and someone who can spell BJ Raji.

With that said, with the 28th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select, Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis. He is ideal for the 3-4. He also knocked out 44 reps on the bench and ran 4.98 at 6'4', 346 lbs. Also sports a 29.5 in vertical leap.

"He is a consistent defender who combines size, strength, athletic ability, and the understanding of what it takes inside for himself and those around him to do their job. "
Steal of the mock!
 

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Steal of the mock!

We'll see about that. I am personally not buying the Poe hype. I think he will be picked behind Brockers, Still, Worthy and Cox (which lets be real, might still be a first round grade). Not only do I think those guys are better on tape, but they all can play in multiple defensive fronts. The only way I see Poe getting picked above any of them, is if a team running a 3-4 wants a true nose tackle.

Just my opinion though.
 

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So the 49ers haven't picked this late in the draft in 10 years or so. I was shocked Poe slipped so far and was going to pick him, but the Packers picked him up at 28. The 49ers have needs at WR, DB, DE/DT and OG. I'm not going to reach for a WR like Randle, Hill or Jeffries. Plus I think they will address the WR position in free agency and in the middle rounds of the draft. Their are no more first round guards available or DBs, so I wont reach for one. I was very, I mean extremely close to picking Ryan Tannehill. He would most likely be the QB of the furchase, he would be the best value and could also use him in a trade. But, Harbough I think is all in on Alex Smith.

So with that being said the with the 30th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the San Francisco 49ers select...Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State.

It came down to Worthy or Andrea Branch of Clemson. I like that Worthy is a hard worker and we Irish fans know how much of a handful he can be. He can immediately backup Isaac Sopoaga at DT and I believe Worthy could also play DE in a 3-4.
 
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We'll see about that. I am personally not buying the Poe hype. I think he will be picked behind Brockers, Still, Worthy and Cox (which lets be real, might still be a first round grade). Not only do I think those guys are better on tape, but they all can play in multiple defensive fronts. The only way I see Poe getting picked above any of them, is if a team running a 3-4 wants a true nose tackle.

Just my opinion though.
I respectful disagree with you. Poe actually has really good tape, just nobody saw it because he played for Memphis. Poe also has the strength and athleticism to play NT in a 3-4 or slide to DE in a 3-4. He also has the ability to be a Wareen Sapp type DT in a 4-3, to quickly penetrate the backfield.
 

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I respectful disagree with you. Poe actually has really good tape, just nobody saw it because he played for Memphis. Poe also has the strength and athleticism to play NT in a 3-4 or slide to DE in a 3-4. He also has the ability to be a Wareen Sapp type DT in a 4-3, to quickly penetrate the backfield.

We can disagree on it (i'm sure real GM's will struggle with this as well). To clarify, i'm not saying that he doesn't have a good highlight reel, just that his overall tape shows him taking plays off and not being as consistent as some of the other guys. While I agree that he has the skillset to slide over (he showed his power and quickness in the combine), his tape shows him being much less of an impact when slid over. I think he can do it on the next level, just not nearly as well as the other guys mentioned.

Great pick though with Worthy. He could make an immediate impact on an already dominating SF defense.
 

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We can disagree on it (i'm sure real GM's will struggle with this as well). To clarify, i'm not saying that he doesn't have a good highlight reel, just that his overall tape shows him taking plays off and not being as consistent as some of the other guys. While I agree that he has the skillset to slide over (he showed his power and quickness in the combine), his tape shows him being much less of an impact when slid over. I think he can do it on the next level, just not nearly as well as the other guys mentioned.

Great pick though with Worthy. He could make an immediate impact on an already dominating SF defense.
You bring up some good points. He does take plays of and is inconsistent. A good coach like Harbaugh or bill belichick could change his attitude fast.

Thanks for the complement on the pick.
 

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I would rank the Patriots needs as follows: (1) secondary [need a ballhawking Safety badly], (2) interior OL [specifically Center, but also Guard], (3) outside-the-numbers WR, and (4) Pass rusher.

I numbered the needs, but they're all pretty much equal in my eyes. The Pats used their first of two first-rounders on the best available player (and also somewhat of a need), which is right in line with the Pats' M.O. Assuming that they use both picks (a big assumption), they will concede somewhat to need while staying true to the their philosophy of best-available-player by taking the best available player at a position of need.

Safety: With Barron and Smith off the board, the Pats would have to really reach for a Safety, although Markelle Martin has the kind of speed at the safety position that could allow him to play the kind of role the Patriots need. However, they could most likely take him or George Iloka in the second round. Its also too early for Stephon Gimore at CB. I doubt they'd go CB after taking McCourty and Dowling each of the last two years, anyway, but they could consider it if somehow Kirkpatrick slipped to them. I don't think they'd touch Jenkins.

Interior OL: With DeCastro and Glenn off the board, OG seems out of the picture here. Zeitler from Wisconsin could be a consideration, but would be a bit of reach and the need isn't dire. Center is a bigger need, but with Konz off the board, they can't reach for Ben Jones from Georgia. Maybe next round.

Outside WR: The Pats badly need someone to stretch the field. The offense hummed when Randy Moss was taking the top off of the defense. It has been good with Welker/Gronk/Hernandez terrorizing teams in the middle, but there is too much pressure on Brady to sustain drives that use at least a dozen passes. Blackmon is a pipe dream. Before the combine I thought there might be a sliver of a chance Floyd could fall to them, but he won't now. Kendall Wright could stretch the field in a DeSean Jackson type way, but his height really concerns me. Regardless, those guys are all gone in this draft. Stephen Hill, with his stock soaring due to his 6'5" size and 4.36 40 time, is a possibility. However, I'm worried about his lack of experience in the passing game. It isn't his fault, but option-offense rookie receivers - and even experienced NFL receivers - have really struggled to pick up the Pats' offense given its complex, read-heavy nature. I can't justify using a very valuable pick on such a risky prospect.

Pass Rusher: The Pats could really use someone who can get after the QB. A lot of good 4-3 ends and OLB have been taken. The best pass rusher left on the board, Zach Brown from UNC, does not fit the 3-4 OLB profile that Belichick prefers (6'4"/6'5", 250 lbs.). Andre Branch is a consideration. He is big enough to fit the prototype of a Belichick 3-4 OLB, but maybe too big. He played some linebacker at Clemson and allegedly has very good closing speed. At the end of the day, I like Zach Brown's raw speed coming off the edge, despite the fact he is undersized and probably slightly overvalued as a workout warrior. If he can learn the position from one of the game's great teachers, he will be allowed to focus on the one thing he can probably do best: get off the edge and after the QB faster than the Tackles can block him. He has the bigger upside and you can't teach speed.

Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina is the pick.



(note: I know not all of that can be posted into the running tracker at the top of the thread. M2SB, you can edit it down however you want. I just wanted to get my full rationale out there.)
 

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I love Poe for the Packers, Worthy for the Niners, and Brown for the Patriots. All are great fits for those teams.
 
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We can disagree on it (i'm sure real GM's will struggle with this as well). To clarify, i'm not saying that he doesn't have a good highlight reel, just that his overall tape shows him taking plays off and not being as consistent as some of the other guys. While I agree that he has the skillset to slide over (he showed his power and quickness in the combine), his tape shows him being much less of an impact when slid over. I think he can do it on the next level, just not nearly as well as the other guys mentioned.

Great pick though with Worthy. He could make an immediate impact on an already dominating SF defense.

According to NFL.com, this is his weakness:

"Poe can't do much else besides be an effective lane-clogger within the right scheme. He doesn't have the versatility to move outside to end in a 3-4, a trend that has been seen from many teams who like to get girth and athleticism on the edge of their line. He is not very quick off the ball, and although he is a good athlete for his size, he could struggle to create "splash" plays for himself early on at the next level, where he will likely be facing double teams and much stronger interior offensive lineman."

I chose him because BJ Raji needs someone to come in and spell him throughout the game. While I really would have liked to pick up a DE, which would have been Andre Branch, I felt Dontari Poe was to good to pass up at 28. Mind you, It wasn't like I picked him being in the Top 15, he is the 28th pick which reading different reports, he is a definite late first round/early second round type of pick.

Bockers, Ingram, Coples, Mercilius, Perry, Still, and Cox were all picked ahead of him so it's also not like he was picked ahead of better talent. I think he was picked right around where he should be picked and in the right scheme.

His attitude was graded highly and being on a team like the Packers where he has guys like Rodgers, Driver, Jennings, Raji, Hawk, Woodson etc to keep him going will help.

When you critique someone, always finish with a positive so here is the rest of NFL.com's profile:

"Poe has a serious ability to eat up a double team. Strong lower body so that he can stabilize his position. His athletic ability and quickness force the use of a double team, and he can wreak havoc around the ball. Poe uses his strong hands to keep defenders at bay and throw them around to create opportunities. He is a consistent defender who combines size, strength, athletic ability, and the understanding of what it takes inside for himself and those around him to do their job. "
 
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I would rank the Patriots needs as follows: (1) secondary [need a ballhawking Safety badly], (2) interior OL [specifically Center, but also Guard], (3) outside-the-numbers WR, and (4) Pass rusher.

I numbered the needs, but they're all pretty much equal in my eyes. The Pats used their first of two first-rounders on the best available player (and also somewhat of a need), which is right in line with the Pats' M.O. Assuming that they use both picks (a big assumption), they will concede somewhat to need while staying true to the their philosophy of best-available-player by taking the best available player at a position of need.

Safety: With Barron and Smith off the board, the Pats would have to really reach for a Safety, although Markelle Martin has the kind of speed at the safety position that could allow him to play the kind of role the Patriots need. However, they could most likely take him or George Iloka in the second round. Its also too early for Stephon Gimore at CB. I doubt they'd go CB after taking McCourty and Dowling each of the last two years, anyway, but they could consider it if somehow Kirkpatrick slipped to them. I don't think they'd touch Jenkins.

Interior OL: With DeCastro and Glenn off the board, OG seems out of the picture here. Zeitler from Wisconsin could be a consideration, but would be a bit of reach and the need isn't dire. Center is a bigger need, but with Konz off the board, they can't reach for Ben Jones from Georgia. Maybe next round.

Outside WR: The Pats badly need someone to stretch the field. The offense hummed when Randy Moss was taking the top off of the defense. It has been good with Welker/Gronk/Hernandez terrorizing teams in the middle, but there is too much pressure on Brady to sustain drives that use at least a dozen passes. Blackmon is a pipe dream. Before the combine I thought there might be a sliver of a chance Floyd could fall to them, but he won't now. Kendall Wright could stretch the field in a DeSean Jackson type way, but his height really concerns me. Regardless, those guys are all gone in this draft. Stephen Hill, with his stock soaring due to his 6'5" size and 4.36 40 time, is a possibility. However, I'm worried about his lack of experience in the passing game. It isn't his fault, but option-offense rookie receivers - and even experienced NFL receivers - have really struggled to pick up the Pats' offense given its complex, read-heavy nature. I can't justify using a very valuable pick on such a risky prospect.

Pass Rusher: The Pats could really use someone who can get after the QB. A lot of good 4-3 ends and OLB have been taken. The best pass rusher left on the board, Zach Brown from UNC, does not fit the 3-4 OLB profile that Belichick prefers (6'4"/6'5", 250 lbs.). Andre Branch is a consideration. He is big enough to fit the prototype of a Belichick 3-4 OLB, but maybe too big. He played some linebacker at Clemson and allegedly has very good closing speed. At the end of the day, I like Zach Brown's raw speed coming off the edge, despite the fact he is undersized and probably slightly overvalued as a workout warrior. If he can learn the position from one of the game's great teachers, he will be allowed to focus on the one thing he can probably do best: get off the edge and after the QB faster than the Tackles can block him. He has the bigger upside and you can't teach speed.

Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina is the pick.



(note: I know not all of that can be posted into the running tracker at the top of the thread. M2SB, you can edit it down however you want. I just wanted to get my full rationale out there.)

As a Giants fan, we need help at the LB position and the TE position badly (Beckum and Ballard both out with torn ACL's sustained in the Super Bowl). I hope Brown is available. I like him a lot.
 

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I think the Gmen will, as always, take the best player (in their opinion) available left on the board in the first round. I also think they do put a premium on certain positions, and know they can do well with others later on in the draft. With all that being said, with the way this draft has unfolded it has come down to two players for me: RB David Wilson and TE Coby Fleener.

Both have great upside, and could be put in positions to be top flight at their positions in the NFL. Furthermore, both address a relative position of need for the GMen, Fleener especially. I have gone back and forth on this pick in my head, and it really just comes down to my preference, combining need, fit and upside (and maybe him chasing down Darius Fleming has something to do with it). With the last pick of the first round, the World Champs take TE Coby Fleener from Stanford, whom Eli will turn into one of the better known and successful TEs in the NFL (and a fantasy stud) over the next decade or so.
 

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I think the Gmen will, as always, take the best player (in their opinion) available left on the board in the first round. I also think they do put a premium on certain positions, and know they can do well with others later on in the draft. With all that being said, with the way this draft has unfolded it has come down to two players for me: RB David Wilson and TE Coby Fleener.

Both have great upside, and could be put in positions to be top flight at their positions in the NFL. Furthermore, both address a relative position of need for the GMen, Fleener especially. I have gone back and forth on this pick in my head, and it really just comes down to my preference, combining need, fit and upside (and maybe him chasing down Darius Fleming has something to do with it). With the last pick of the first round, the World Champs take TE Coby Fleener from Stanford, whom Eli will turn into one of the better known and successful TEs in the NFL (and a fantasy stud) over the next decade or so.
LaMichael James would also be a great fit and change of pace to Bradshaw.
 

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I think the Gmen will, as always, take the best player (in their opinion) available left on the board in the first round. I also think they do put a premium on certain positions, and know they can do well with others later on in the draft. With all that being said, with the way this draft has unfolded it has come down to two players for me: RB David Wilson and TE Coby Fleener.

Both have great upside, and could be put in positions to be top flight at their positions in the NFL. Furthermore, both address a relative position of need for the GMen, Fleener especially. I have gone back and forth on this pick in my head, and it really just comes down to my preference, combining need, fit and upside (and maybe him chasing down Darius Fleming has something to do with it). With the last pick of the first round, the World Champs take TE Coby Fleener from Stanford, whom Eli will turn into one of the better known and successful TEs in the NFL (and a fantasy stud) over the next decade or so.

Great pick....they need TE badly.
 

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Sadly, I think he's just another Joe McKnight(slightly smaller)...speedy special teamer. In my opinion, he's not worth a 1st round pick.
I'd take a shot with him in the late first round. Solid second rounder though. I believe his more like a Darren Sproles than Joe McKnight. Sproles and James were very productive in college, McKnight not so much.
 

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If the Giants draft Fleener I will also draft him and stash him on my bench in fantasy football next year. He could be dangerous in that offense.
 

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I've watched the last several picks and the Rams have several good options left on the board. The Rams already addressed a need for a playmaking WR with their first pick. And I'm very confident they'll end up with Cleveland's #22 pick and draft either Fletcher Cox or Jerel Worthy to solidify DT.

That said, they have needs at OT, CB, and RB probably in that order. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech would be a great pick here and so would Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina or Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska. However Bradford needs some help along the line after Alex Barron busted. Therefore with the 1st pick in the 2nd round, the St. Louis Rams select Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State.
 

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I've watched the last several picks and the Rams have several good options left on the board. The Rams already addressed a need for a playmaking WR with their first pick. And I'm very confident they'll end up with Cleveland's #22 pick and draft either Fletcher Cox or Jerel Worthy to solidify DT.

That said, they have needs at OT, CB, and RB probably in that order. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech would be a great pick here and so would Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina or Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska. However Bradford needs some help along the line after Alex Barron busted. Therefore with the 1st pick in the 2nd round, the St. Louis Rams select Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State.
The ultimate Boom or Bust pick, but great value at the top of the 2nd round.
 

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Fleener and Adams are two great picks. Value is there for both teams. Congrats.
 

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Anyone interested in taking my 2nd round pick for me ? Pittsburgh Steelers...
 
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Anyone interested in taking my 2nd round pick for me ? Pittsburgh Steelers...

Going somewhere? I'm happy to take it (I have a strange dual fandom of the Steelers and Pats). I would give up my late 2nd round Pats pick to someone. Rhode Irish, you want both?
 

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Going somewhere? I'm happy to take it (I have a strange dual fandom of the Steelers and Pats). I would give up my late 2nd round Pats pick to someone. Rhode Irish, you want both?

I'm not going anywhere...but I don't get on often enough to keep this thing moving at the clip you guys want.
 
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