2012 Fall Camp Thread

[Grimm]

We will see at noon, but I am thinking Neal stays on offense. It will tell us a lot about what Kelly really thinks of this team. If he thinks a lot of it he will let a player grow up; Next man in. If not, he will panic and do what many of you are suggesting.

But remember. This staff has never talked about that kind of vassilation in recruiting players or playing them when they got her. Kelly said Neal is all offense; Russel moved because they didn't know where he best fit in.

I think he stays as well, but it seems like Kelly's core philosophy is to have players with certain skills and criteria that he can move around (such as Troy), so I think it would be consistent with his philosophy. IMO he should move Neal to CB and get him on the offense for a few plays. If this team can get real backline play, it will be a tough out. But I'm not qualified to even be a ball boy, and I'm a believer in the coach, so will be keen to see what kelly has to say.

 

[Grahambo]

It's not a panicking move. It's about numbers now. I have no idea if BK will cross train Neal at CB or not but judging by the sheer numbers of CB's, I think you have to give Neal reps as a nickel/dime type player.

You can overcome depth at CB if you decide to use safeties in the nickel/dime slot then straight up moving Slaughter to CB (which I don't think is a good idea as some suggest to do.)

 

[beryirish]

For access to the BK presser today

UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

 

[PANDFAN]

So moving Neal to CB would mean the following?

Tells us Kelly doesn't think much of this team
Tells us Kelly is not willing to let a player grow up
Tells us Kelly is panicking

SMH

I'm ok with whatever Kelly decides wether it's offense or defense, but to imply the above items because of a potential change in direction isn't fair at all. Kelly considered Neal and Russel for the switch earlier this summer and elected to have Neal on offense. That was based upon one set of circumstances. Now those circumstances have changed, coach will once again make the best decision for the team based upon the current situation.

agree and now is not the time to make that move in transitioning someone less than 2 weeks before their first game...that's why we have cam crosstraining to add to db's lack of depth

 

[SoIll]

It's not a panicking move. It's about numbers now. I have no idea if BK will cross train Neal at CB or not but judging by the sheer numbers of CB's, I think you have to give Neal reps as a nickel/dime type player.

You can overcome depth at CB if you decide to use safeties in the nickel/dime slot then straight up moving Slaughter to CB (which I don't think is a good idea as some suggest to do.)

I agree.. I think BK may have to think about introducing Neal to some CB packages as well..I also do not want too see slaughter at CB. To valuable at safety.. The boys just need to step up.. BK will rally the troops

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Before Lo went down and after Cam moved back to RB we had 6 CBs (Bennett, Lo, Jalen, Josh, Keivarae, Elijah). Lo is out so you move Cam back and you still have 6 CBs. Am I missing something? The staff has already been very impressed with Keivarae and both Jalen and Josh will be serviceable. Why is everyone so set on Neal moving to defense? What would happen if Robby Toma went down?

 

[Denny]

I agree.. I think BK may have to think about introducing Neal to some CB packages as well..I also do not want too see slaughter at CB. To valuable at safety.. The boys just need to step up.. BK will rally the troops

Hasn't BK stated that he wants 6 scholarship players at corner? Jackson, Brown, Atkinson, McDaneil, Russell, and Shumate shoud cover it. I know McDaniel has been cross-training as of recently, but move him over full time again. I think Neal is way to valuable for us on offense and it's tough enough for a true freshman to get one thing right, lets not put him on both sides of the ball. Plus, it's just tough for me to think that someone that electric with the ball in their hand on defense, even part-time.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

To me, this just highlights the need for a aggresive and dominating passrush from our defensive line.

We can survive the first 6/7 games with a dominant defensive line. The back half of our schedule with highlight the weak spot at CB if no one develops and steps up.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Before Lo went down and after Cam moved back to RB we had 6 CBs (Bennett, Lo, Jalen, Josh, Keivarae, Elijah). Lo is out so you move Cam back and you still have 6 CBs. Am I missing something? The staff has already been very impressed with Keivarae and both Jalen and Josh will be serviceable. Why is everyone so set on Neal moving to defense? What would happen if Robby Toma went down?

I'm skeptical that Cam will be moved back. I'm guessing Cam was moved back to running back (where we have tremendous depth) for a reason. I can only assume that Cam was struggling to make the adjustment to DB.

 

[DillonHall]

To me, this just highlights the need for a aggresive and dominating passrush from our defensive line.

We can survive the first 6/7 games with a dominant defensive line. The back half of our schedule with highlight the weak spot at CB if no one develops and steps up.

I don't understand the logic. The first half of the season is much tougher than the second half.

 

[Ironman8]

I'm skeptical that Cam will be moved back. I'm guessing Cam was moved back to running back (where we have tremendous depth) for a reason. I can only assume that Cam was struggling to make the adjustment to DB.

He wasn't moved back. He simply started cross training at both positions instead of solely focusing on CB. He never stopped working out at CB completely.

 

[bigedefense]

There is no doubt that it is better to field an elite defense and manufacture offense than the other way around.

I agree with you completely. Didn't Coach Kelly say one time that he wanted his best athletes on defense and he would manufature offense? I am waaay to lazy to go back and look it up, but I am quite certain that he said it.

 

[Grahambo]

Before Lo went down and after Cam moved back to RB we had 6 CBs (Bennett, Lo, Jalen, Josh, Keivarae, Elijah). Lo is out so you move Cam back and you still have 6 CBs. Am I missing something? The staff has already been very impressed with Keivarae and both Jalen and Josh will be serviceable. Why is everyone so set on Neal moving to defense? What would happen if Robby Toma went down?

I'm set on getting Neal reps at CB in nickel/dime situations. I'm not set on moving him completely to CB. He won't be playing every down on offense nor defense and I think ND benefits him with giving him reps at both.

Take Lo away and you have BJax and I suppose Jalen starting with Keivarae as #3. Then Josh/Shu as #4A/#4B with Cam as insurance. I think moving Neal to CB automatically makes him the 3rd best CB behind BJax and Keivare which using Neal as a nickel/dime guy is best.

I think Keivare is better then Jalen but Jalen has the experience going up against Mike Floyd with Russ being a true frosh.

So, me personally I go:

1.BJax (Always on the best WR regardless of which side that player goes to until someone steps up.)
2. Keivare (I think experience will place him in the slot to start but he eventually emerges.)
3. Jalen
4. Neal
5. Josh/Shu

You want to be able to send out the best 11 and I think if you were

 

[beryirish]

Press Conference has technical difficulties....looking for tweet updates

 

[IrishInFl]

Presser will not be live due to technical difficulties. Of course.

 

[beryirish]

confirms (we all know) Lo Wood is out for the season

 

[beryirish]

Feels terrible for Lo but Kelly feels really good about other corners

 

[BGIF]

Press Conference has technical difficulties....looking for tweet updates

Buffering

Buffering

Buffer...

 

[beryirish]

5 corners who will now compete for the spot

Injury happened on backpedal....wood heard a pop

 

[Ironman8]

No Jamoris at corner.

 

[beryirish]

NO Jamoris to corner

^^

 

[Ironman8]

Russell, Atkinson and Brown are replacements.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

For access to the BK presser today

UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

Not about you bery, or you Keith, but this year all the multimedia activities have been fermented pig shiit. No quality on sound picture, the reporters have been nearly impossible to hear and then this shiit. Sorry technicaly difficulties. I scheduled my lunch to watch. What is hard about hooking up a camera to the internet these days?

I mean this press conference has the best picture quality and sound of any this year; that is how bad it has been.

 

[Ironman8]

Kelly says that distinctions between boundary and field corner will fade somewhat, five remaining guys will work both sides.

 

[beryirish]

you got it

 

[Ironman8]

Kelly said he's comfortable with nickel package and defending third down

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Did Russell play CB in high school? I poked around for a bit but the interwebs have let me down.

 

[Ironman8]

No decision on kicking yet.

Surprising, thought it would be Tausch at PK and Brindza at KO

 

[Ironman8]

Ben Turk punting.

 

[TheChosen1]

Turk punter