1st round mock draft from scout

[nd1]

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=109&p=2&c=604532

I don't tink troy smith goes tis high and I love victor a. to the falcons. think that would be a great pick up. harris would be nice fit for the cowboys but don't see zibby going in the first round.probaly second round.

 

[Win4Gipper]

I would love the Shark to the Vikes.....

 

[Aerosmith777]

I agree that I can't see Smith going that high. Zibikowski in the first round is probably not happening either. And honestly, I don't think Ryan Harris will go that high either. Samrdzija will go in the first round, but I don't know if it'll be as high as this mock is projecting.

I can't see Calvin Johnson falling past #3. I think he's going to the Raiders. I also can't see Adrian Peterson falling all the way to #9. The Texans would have to take him if they could to make up for Bush last year. And my Giants aren't taking a RB in the first round. I know Tiki's retiring, but they'll want to give Jacobs a shot before using a 1st rounder on a RB, and they need help in too many other places anyway. If Lynch is available when they pick, he'll go to the Jets I think.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Wow 5 possible first rounders....

Shame we don't have any talent on this team

*Rolls eyes*

 

[Junkhead]

When is the last time ND had even one first rounder.....me forgets...

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

might have been when arron talyor and bryant young went.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

When is the last time ND had even one first rounder.....me forgets...

2003

You must not have a very good memory

 

[seniorle]

I could definitely see the Raiders picking Joe Thomas. They need Oline help as much as they need a QB. I've watched a few raider games this year and that is by far and away the worst Oline I have seen this year. The QB gets slaughtered back there.

If they were smart, they'd pick Joe Thomas and make him LT and move Robert Gallery to RT and pass on Calvin Johnson. They already have Randy Moss and they can't do anything with him because the QB and Oline suck!

 

[irish4life99]

Wow 5 possible first rounders....

Shame we don't have any talent on this team

*Rolls eyes*

You do realize that there are 85 scholarship positions don't you? Between our sophmore and Senior classes there is some HUGE holes of not only talent, but numbers period. You don't have to be blind to see that. Not that I'm sold on our defensive coaching schemes and it couldn't be better. Everone in the entire world see's that ND lacks overall team speed on defense.

 

[irish4life99]

When is the last time ND had even one first rounder.....me forgets...

Up until last year we had very few players going to the NFL. I know alot of players have come out publicly thanking Weis personally for giving them a shot at the next level. Fasino, and Stovall just to name a couple.

 

[irish4life99]

2003

You must not have a very good memory

NO, NO, NO, we are not going to turn this thread into your favorite obsession. Don't even reference his name. No one bite on FI9's attempt to divert the subject here. We all know where he's going with this. Don't take the bait!

 

[BGIF]

When is the last time ND had even one first rounder.....me forgets...

'03 Jeff Faine Cleveland

'99 Luke Pettigout NY Giants

'97 Reynaldo Wynn Jacksonville

'94 Bryant Young San Francisco
'94 Aaron Taylor Green Bay
'94 Jeff Burris Buffalo

'93 Rick Mirer Seattle
'93 Jerome Bettis Rams
'93 Tom Carter Washington
'93 Irv Smith New Orleans

'92 Derek Brown NY Giants

'91 Todd Lyght LA Rams

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

You do realize that there are 85 scholarship positions don't you? Between our sophmore and Senior classes there is some HUGE holes of not only talent, but numbers period. You don't have to be blind to see that. Not that I'm sold on our defensive coaching schemes and it couldn't be better. Everone in the entire world see's that ND lacks overall team speed on defense.

LOL, everyone except our Head Coach who says we have plenty of speed, and the NFL scouts agree...

But keep acting like the players suck

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

NO, NO, NO, we are not going to turn this thread into your favorite obsession. Don't even reference his name. No one bite on FI9's attempt to divert the subject here. We all know where he's going with this. Don't take the bait!

What are you babbling about?

Jeff Faine, 2003 was a first round draft pick

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

'03 Jeff Faine Cleveland

'99 Luke Pettigout NY Giants

'97 Reynaldo Wynn Jacksonville

'94 Bryant Young San Francisco
'94 Aaron Taylor Green Bay
'94 Jeff Burris Buffalo

'93 Rick Mirer Seattle
'93 Jerome Bettis Rams
'93 Tom Carter Washington
'93 Irv Smith New Orleans

'92 Derek Brown NY Giants

'91 Todd Lyght LA Rams

Wow and a possible 5 first rounders this year......geez...this is one of the most talented teams since Holtz....imagine that

 

[BGIF]

ND has had 4 First Rounders twice, '46 and '93.

Never had 5.

 

[BGIF]

ND First Rounders by decade:

'00s 1 (so far)
'90s 11 (only 2 that played after the '93 season)
80's 7
70's 9
60's 9 (2 played for Kuharich)

 

[irish4ever]

I could definitely see the Raiders picking Joe Thomas. They need Oline help as much as they need a QB. I've watched a few raider games this year and that is by far and away the worst Oline I have seen this year. The QB gets slaughtered back there.

If they were smart, they'd pick Joe Thomas and make him LT and move Robert Gallery to RT and pass on Calvin Johnson. They already have Randy Moss and they can't do anything with him because the QB and Oline suck!

Raiders need OL help, QB help and soon to be WR help ... Porter and Moss will both be gone! Neither one wants to be there anymore ... Porter because of his rif w/ Shell and Moss because "he's not happy".

 

[guff]

No offense to VA but I can't believe he'd go in the 1st round. His sacks came against the worst teams Stanford, UNC, Navy.

 

[seniorle]

I agree, they need help in many areas and moss and porter shouldn't be there, especially if they're only going to cause problems, but my point is that they had moss this year (who is still considered elite when properly motivated) but it didn't matter cuz the QB never had time to do anything so if BQ is gone, Thomas would help a whole lot more than Johnson would

 

[nd1]

No offense to VA but I can't believe he'd go in the 1st round. His sacks came against the worst teams Stanford, UNC, Navy.

I think va would be great fit. he fast and mobile and would do really well with the falcons. they need some depth on the dline and he would give them alot of choices. he can play anywhere on the dline.

 

[nd1]

I agree, they need help in many areas and moss and porter shouldn't be there, especially if they're only going to cause problems, but my point is that they had moss this year (who is still considered elite when properly motivated) but it didn't matter cuz the QB never had time to do anything so if BQ is gone, Thomas would help a whole lot more than Johnson would

very good point. the raiders had a good defence this year. who really knows what the qb could do if he had some time to throw the ball. johnson wouldn't do them any good unless he could block for the qb to throw the ball down field. they also need help at the running game but then again that goes back to the o-line too.

 

[Aerosmith777]

First of all, mock or no, they don't have 5 first rounders. They have 2 definetely. They have a good shot at 3. A very outside shot, imo, at 4. No way they'll have 5.

That said, 5 good players does not a team make. How many NFL players do they have in the linebacking core? How about the middle of the defensive line? How about the secondary? How about the interior offensive line? I would say 2, maybe 3 between all those units combined. And I'm not talking about 1st rounders either, I'm just talking about guys who will have an NFL career longer than 1 training camp.

And some of the players starting on this team not only don't have NFL careers ahead of them, but many of them would never start at any big-time program seriously competing for a national title (i.e. OSU, USC, Michigan, etc etc).

I don't think you can seriously say there isn't a talent gap between ND and teams like OSU & USC. I know Charlie does, but that's b/c he refuses to make excuses for his team when it loses, nor should he. I'm glad he takes full responsibility for a loss, even when its not truelly his to take.

 

[guff]

I think va would be great fit. he fast and mobile and would do really well with the falcons. they need some depth on the dline and he would give them alot of choices. he can play anywhere on the dline.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good fit, he just isn't a 1st rounder. 3rd round maybe 1st no way

 

[TexasNDFan]

LOL, everyone except our Head Coach who says we have plenty of speed, and the NFL scouts agree...

But keep acting like the players suck

Do you honestly think that Coach Weis would agree that the team lacks anything in public?

Now as far as the potential first rounders, I think that the Irish have not had better talent at the top, these last couple of years, in a long time, but not to see that the overall talent level is no where near the USC and OSU's of the world is being a bit miopic. Next year you will see alot of freshman and sophmore starters on both sides of the ball.

 

[isotopes]

i think a lot of people are forgetting how much the combine plays a role now. VA is a freak athletically which will help him. I think as of right now there are 4 first rounders

i think zibby and mcknight are second rounders

anyone hear if sullican is here or gone ?

 

[Junkhead]

Faine...that's who I was thinking of. Thanks. Anyway, Its pretty amazing we've only had 1 1st round pick in 6+ years.

 

[Guest]

Nice to see LSU the team we're playing soon has 4 first rounders on that list. Many NFL scouts will be watching that game. Some of the players on that list can really solidify their protection as a first round player with a great performance in that game.

The Lions will draft Quinn, I know that franchise is wacky but I can't possibly see them drafting someone else. I could defenitely see the Bucs at 3 try to trade up for Quinn.

Jeff Samardzija will not be a first rounder IMO unless he gives up baseball. NFL GM's aren't going to squander a first round pick on a guy who may not even play football, he may not go until the third round because historically second rounders are just as successfull as first rounders.

VA will be a first rounder or early second round player, no way does he fall lower than the second round, his measurables and speed are too good for teams to pass on him. Even though he hasn't had many sacks against good teams he still has been a productive pass rusher, and pass rushers are worth their weight in gold in the NFL. Most of Mario Williams sacks came against weaker competition as well.

Brett Farve will definitely come back if the Packers can land Peterson in the draft. Although Peterson has had injury problems there is no doubt in my mind that he will be great at the next level if healthy. With Tiki Barber retiring the Giants may be better off losing and not making the playoffs, so that they have a better chance at landing Peterson, or at least be high enough on draft day that they can trade up for him.

Paul Posluszny at 6 is WAY to high, I wouldn't even take him in the first round.

Troy Smith is too high, and no way does Nick Saban draft him. I think Troy might eventually develope into a QB, but regardless of what OSU fans tell you his height will hurt him, and he will have to adjust which may take him a few years. Saban isn't going to waste a first rounder on a guy that will take three or four years to develope.

Teddy Ginn probably should stay another year to develope, but he probably won't because OSU will be breaking in a new QB. Teddy's a helluva talent, but he's not going to just get by in the NFL with his speed like he has in college. He still has some facets of his game to work on to become a good NFL player, which is why he should stay his last year.

 

[guff]

I agree with you Queens. VA might go in the first round because he's big and quick but I don't think it's a smart pick. There are DEs just as good as VA available later. Take a skill player, trade out of the pick but don't take him in the first round. If he can't beat most of tackles he played against on Saturdays he won't beat any of the ones on Sunday regardless of combine performance.

As you can tell I've soured on VA. A consistent pass rush would have helped this D significantly. He was supposed to provide it and didn't.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Do you honestly think that Coach Weis would agree that the team lacks anything in public?

Now as far as the potential first rounders, I think that the Irish have not had better talent at the top, these last couple of years, in a long time, but not to see that the overall talent level is no where near the USC and OSU's of the world is being a bit miopic. Next year you will see alot of freshman and sophmore starters on both sides of the ball.

Much like the 2003 season....

However, I don't think it will be near the Fr and Sophomores you think....15 of the 22 starters will more than likely be upperclassman...

RB...Walker SR
FB...Schwapp JR
WR..Hord Jr
WR...Grimes Jr
TE...Carlson Sr
C...Sullivan Sr
T...Turkovich Jr
G... Duncan Jr

DT...Laws Sr
DT...Hand Jr
OLB...Crum Sr
OLB...Brockington Sr
CB...Wooden Sr
CB...Lambert Jr
S..Bruton Jr
S...Zbikowski...Sr

Not to mention it isn't impossible to see any of the following to win starting jobs...

QB Sharpley Jr
S Herring Jr (if Zbikowski goes pro)
DE Brown Jr


Looks like we will have more upper classman starting in 07 than we did in 03


As for Coach Weis I believe he tells it like it is. If he didn't think they were plenty fast, he wouldn't say it.