'19 HI ATH Marist Liufau (Notre Dame Signee)

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Kyle Hamilton is Spiderman

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Welcome to Notre Dame Marist!

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Awesome pick up. Love players out of Hawaii!!

 

[T-Boone]

Has ND ever played in Hawaii? I guess I could google that.

 

[Legacy93]

Has ND ever played in Hawaii? I guess I could google that.

I remember we played in a bowl game out there when Clausen was QB.
'08 Hawaii bowl

 

[EddytoNow]

Has ND ever played in Hawaii? I guess I could google that.

Notre Dame has played Hawaii three times. All three games were in Hawaii, if I'm not mistaken.

1991 ND 48 Hawaii 42 (Lou Holtz)
1997 ND 23 Hawaii 22 (Bob Davie)
2008 ND 49 Hawaii 21 (Charlie Weiss)

 

[andre784]

I wish ND played Hawaii more since they always have these killer prospects every year coming from the same like two or three schools lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

I wish ND played Hawaii more since they always have these killer prospects every year coming from the same like two or three schools lol.

there was prior discussion about making Hawaii game 0 every year before week 1. can't remember the ins and outs, but it would allow ND to play a 13th game every year if it was before week 1 and some other stipulations. would love it if that would happen.

 

[T-Boone]

there was prior discussion about making Hawaii game 0 every year before week 1. can't remember the ins and outs, but it would allow ND to play a 13th game every year if it was before week 1 and some other stipulations. would love it if that would happen.

I like that idea. Much like how Michigan was week zero this year....

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

there was prior discussion about making Hawaii game 0 every year before week 1. can't remember the ins and outs, but it would allow ND to play a 13th game every year if it was before week 1 and some other stipulations. would love it if that would happen.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/24/17487972/hawaii-exemption-ncaa-scheduling

The rule is basically that if you play in Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico under supervision from one of those schools you are able to play 13 games and also play week zero. That means you can play 13 games in 14 weeks. What I find real interesting is how teams are playing Dec. 1st games this year because of cancellations. If there isn't any special exemption they have to use to do that then we could potentially try to find an independent team (or just teams that are forced to cancels games) that would be willing to play us that week so we could do 13 games over 15 weeks if we also play in Hawaii. We would get the 13th data point so many media members talk about while also allowing us to get a second bye week during the year, plus the exposure of getting to play week zero when there aren't that many other games.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/24/17487972/hawaii-exemption-ncaa-scheduling

The rule is basically that if you play in Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico under supervision from one of those schools you are able to play 13 games and also play week zero. That means you can play 13 games in 14 weeks. What I find real interesting is how teams are playing Dec. 1st games this year because of cancellations. If there isn't any special exemption they have to use to do that then we could potentially try to find an independent team (or just teams that are forced to cancels games) that would be willing to play us that week so we could do 13 games over 15 weeks if we also play in Hawaii. We would get the 13th data point so many media members talk about while also allowing us to get a second bye week during the year, plus the exposure of getting to play week zero when there aren't that many other games.

reps
i'd love it more for recruiting, and additional practice, than the 13th data point lol.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

reps
i'd love it more for recruiting, and additional practice, than the 13th data point lol.

Well if we don't care about actually going to Hawaii to recruit I believe we can still take advantage of the week zero rule as long as we play a team that plays at Hawaii. So if we wanted to go full loophole schedule we could start a week early by playing a team that plays at Hawaii and then also play a week late (during conference championship weekend) by playing an independent team or a team that had a game cancelled due to weather. That would give us a 12 game schedule to be played over 15 weeks so we could have 3 bye weeks.

 

[NDRock]

I remember we played in a bowl game out there when Clausen was QB.
'08 Hawaii bowl

Yep, was our first bowl win since the '93 season

 

[T-Boone]

Is there an NCAA rule that says a team cannot play more than 12 regular season games?

 

[RyCo1983]

Is there an NCAA rule that says a team cannot play more than 12 regular season games?

Yes, but if they open the season at Hawaii, they can play 13, as can Hawaii.

https://fbschedules.com/the-hawaii-exemption/

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Is there an NCAA rule that says a team cannot play more than 12 regular season games?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is. That's why the Hawaii rule exists and what is actually was about before it also allowed week zero games. Hawaii and teams that play at Hawaii are basically the only ones that get to use it.

 

[BobbyMac]

If you played Hawaii in Puerto Rico during Week 0 could you schedule BYU at their Hawaii campus during Conference Championship Game Week for a 14th data point?

 

[T-Boone]

If you played Hawaii in Puerto Rico during Week 0 could you schedule BYU at their Hawaii campus during Conference Championship Game Week for a 14th data point?

No, from what I just read you can only take advantage of the rule up to 1 extra game so 13 games but then you could just thumb the nose at the NCAA and do it anyway.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

If you played Hawaii in Puerto Rico during Week 0 could you schedule BYU at their Hawaii campus during Conference Championship Game Week for a 14th data point?

I think that would actually work. Here is the relevant rules from 2014:

17.27.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest
Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.9.5.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association.

17.9.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS]
The maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following:

(j) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. [FBS/FCS]
Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, respectively, either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the area in question.

That's from this website: https://fbschedules.com/the-hawaii-exemption-2014-edition/

I'm gonna look through the 2018 rule book to see if thats been updated, but it sounds to me like it would work.

 

[BobbyMac]

No, from what I just read you can only take advantage of the rule up to 1 extra game so 13 games but then you could just thumb the nose at the NCAA and do it anyway.

Damn.

I think ND should stay in Cali after SC and play the Raiders the following week during their bye. Guaranteed win but on second thought, it could kill their SOS.

 

[T-Boone]

Last stupid Q:
Is there an NCAA rule about size of conference. Like why doesnt ND start its own conference with 6 other teams for the purpose of a final whilst also staying essentially independent?

 

[NDty9]

I like that idea. Much like how Michigan was week zero this year....

Hahah no love for this ?! Lol

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Looked into it more. Here is a link to the rule book: https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...ual-august-version-available-august-2018.aspx

The good stuff starts at page 282 which is page 270 of the actual book. Relevant excerpts:

17.10.3 First Contest. [FBS/FCS] An institution shall not play its first contest (game or scrimmage) with
outside competition in football prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day (see Figure 17-2). (Revised: 1/11/89,
1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97, 5/12/05)
17.10.3.1 Exception—Institutions That Compete in Hawaii. [FBS/FCS] An institution that is scheduled
to play a regular-season game in Hawaii may play its first permissible contest with outside competition on
the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. If the institution’s first opponent of the season is not a
member institution located in Hawaii, the institution’s first opponent of the season may also play its first contest
(game or scrimmage) with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day.
(Adopted: 4/28/16 effective 8/1/16)

17.10.4 End of Playing Season. [FBS/FCS] A member institution’s last contest (game or scrimmage)
with outside competition in football shall not be played after the second Saturday or the following Sunday in December,
except for the following: (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/90, 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 1/16/93, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97,
8/5/99, 4/27/06, 12/15/06, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective 4/1/12, 6/8/15)

17.10.5 Number of Contests. [FBS/FCS]
17.10.5.1 Maximum Limitations—Institutional. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, a member institution
shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible
football playing season in any one year to 12 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member
institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.28.2, and except as provided for all members under
Bylaw 17.10.5.2. In championship subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season
playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 11
contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under
Bylaw 17.28.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.10.5.2. Twelve football contests shall be
permissible during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through
the last playing date in November (e.g., 2019, 2024, 2025). (Revised: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/02, 8/5/99 effective
8/1/02, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)
17.10.5.1.1 In-Season Foreign Competition. [FBS/FCS] A member institution may play one or
more of its countable contests in football in one or more foreign countries on one trip during the prescribed
playing season. However, except for contests played in Canada, Mexico or on a certified foreign tour (see
Bylaw 17.29), the institution may not engage in such in-season foreign competition more than once every
four years.
17.10.5.1.2 Maximum Limitations—Student-Athlete. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, an
individual student-athlete may participate in each academic year in not more than 12 football contests. In
championship subdivision football, an individual student-athlete may participate in each academic year
in not more than 11 football contests, except that 12 football contests shall be permissible during those
years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date
in November (e.g., 2019). This limitation includes those contests in which the student-athlete represents
the institution in accordance with Bylaw 17.02.8, including competition as a member of the varsity, junior
varsity or freshman team of the institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 8/5/99 effective 8/1/02, 4/28/05
effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)

17.10.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS]
17.10.5.2.1 Bowl Subdivision. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, the maximum number of football
contests shall exclude the following: (Revised: 1/10/90, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 10/28/10, 10/27/11 effective
4/1/12, Adopted: 8/2/12 effective 8/1/14, 1/15/16 effective 8/1/16)
(f) Foreign Tour. The football games played on a foreign tour, provided the tour occurs only once in a
four-year period and is conducted by the member institution in accordance with the procedures set
forth in Bylaw 17.29;
(g) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska, or Puerto Rico, respectively,
either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii,
Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the areas in question

So it sounds like the 14 game plan would work, but players could only play in 12 games, which sounds weird but also sounds like exactly something the NCAA would think of.

Edit: since conference championships are listed exemptions in the same area as the Hawaii rule, I think players would be exempt from the 12 game rule just like they are for conference championships, so they would be able to play all 14 games.

 

[edgesofsanity]

Last stupid Q:
Is there an NCAA rule about size of conference. Like why doesnt ND start its own conference with 6 other teams for the purpose of a final whilst also staying essentially independent?

Good question. Found this article from 2016:

Football Bowl Subdivision conferences with fewer than 12 members will be able to hold a conference championship football game in addition to the allowed 12 regular-season games, the Division I Council decided Wednesday, and such conferences will have two ways to meet scheduling requirements.

Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference. Each division must play a round-robin schedule during the regular season in order to hold a championship game.

Council members adopted a proposal that originated with the Division I Football Oversight Committee but also approved an amendment from the Big Ten Conference. The amendment, offered by the Big Ten late last week, allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

But it says nothing about how small of a conference you could have...the real question is in the current playoff format, is there a benefit to playing one of the independents twice? Personally, I don't think any of the current independents have a big enough name that if we beat them twice the playoff committee will reward us with a spot over a similarly ranked (and same W-L record) P5 conference winner.

 

[T-Boone]

But it says nothing about how small of a conference you could have...the real question is in the current playoff format, is there a benefit to playing one of the independents twice? Personally, I don't think any of the current independents have a big enough name that if we beat them twice the playoff committee will reward us with a spot over a similarly ranked (and same W-L record) P5 conference winner.

We could try to get a few other teams to ditch their conference. UCF, SMU...

 

[NDShark]

Is it possible to play backyard football throughout the summer to accumulate a few more data points?

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Good question. Found this article from 2016:



But it says nothing about how small of a conference you could have...the real question is in the current playoff format, is there a benefit to playing one of the independents twice? Personally, I don't think any of the current independents have a big enough name that if we beat them twice the playoff committee will reward us with a spot over a similarly ranked (and same W-L record) P5 conference winner.

I found similar, but also that for a conference to become a member conference (which I believe is required to have the conference championship game exception) it would have to be elected by a vote of division 1 institutions. So we could technically form the Independent conference with Army or BYU, but I highly doubt it would pass the election process even if it were technically following the rules.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

We could try to get a few other teams to ditch their conference. UCF, SMU...

The problem is we would have to play all the other members in our division, so unless we just have traditional rivals in our division, we basically just gave up independence for a shitty conference instead of just joining the ACC.

So if we just went UCF, SMU, ND, Navy, we would play Navy, then winner of that would then play the winner of the other match up. But again, doubtful other schools would okay that conference.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Is it possible to play backyard football throughout the summer to accumulate a few more data points?

There are exemptions for washed up HS alumni games.

But actually there is this exemption

 

[irishog77]

Don't have time to look it up, but the Hawaii provision from the ncaa allowing a 13th game was only available, I think, once out of every 5 years. So you couldn't do it every year.

Not sure if the ncaa has changed frequency provision or not.