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402puck · Monday at 12:50 PM

NorthDakota said:
Ideally, every playoff game except for the championship should be on campus. But I can see a valid argument for semi-finals to be neutral as well.

Completely agree, but those bowls were never not gonna get theirs

TracyGraham · Monday at 12:52 PM

FightingIrishLover7 said:
Sources nationally, have long suspected (think Brice and his circle).
It is in inevitability, schools will not be able to keep up in the current model.

My perception seemed to be that ND was a big advocate for this(maybe I am wrong). If it will eventually lead to our loss of independence as we know it, why would Bevaqua push for this?

NorthDakota · Monday at 12:54 PM

TracyGraham said:
My perception seemed to be that ND was a big advocate for this(maybe I am wrong). If it will eventually lead to our loss of independence as we know it, why would Bevaqua push for this?

I think it should make scheduling easier? High profile teams will now have a LOT more wiggle room to get into the playoffs?

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 1:04 PM

402puck said:
It’s an awesome development for Notre Dame’s continued independence

If the schedule does not improve then it needs to go away.. We have to upgrade; if the 24 team playoff helps than great. If not, our seasons schedule is a joke.

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 1:05 PM

TracyGraham said:
My perception seemed to be that ND was a big advocate for this(maybe I am wrong). If it will eventually lead to our loss of independence as we know it, why would Bevaqua push for this?

AT some point ND's power is finite. I hate the 24 team playoff but if it makes us have better schedules bring it on.

402puck · Monday at 1:08 PM

TNUtoNotreDame said:
If the schedule does not improve then it needs to go away.. We have to upgrade; if the 24 team playoff helps than great. If not, our seasons schedule is a joke.

They have played the #2 and #1 (at the time) teams in the country. Who else will have done that in the regular season at the end of the year?

It’s not ND’s fault Stanford, Wisconsin, and Sparty are down and that the ACC as a whole is garbage outside Miami.

They have Texas AND Alabama on the schedule in 2029

This absolutely opens the door for more premier games down the road

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 1:12 PM

402puck said:
They have played the #2 and #1 (at the time) teams in the country. Who else will have done that in the regular season at the end of the year?

It’s not ND’s fault Stanford, Wisconsin, and Sparty are down and that the ACC as a whole is garbage outside Miami.

They have Texas AND Alabama on the schedule in 2029

This absolutely opens the door for more premier games down the road

Our schedule is trash this year. The ACC games are awful and getting worse. Now, if the SEC does not chicken out after next year they will improve.

Next years is even worse. I just want interesting games. If we can get a scheduling agreement with the Big and SEC and put our sports in the Big East I would be ecstatic. The ACC games suck BAD.

NDWarrior · Monday at 1:15 PM

So with the new format rule for each P4 team now this...

How many open non-conference games does that allow for each P4 conference team? Is it a mix of 1-2 games depending if a conference is mandating 8-9 in-season conference games? E.g., IIRC, the SEC now requires 9 in-season conference games leaving them to schedule 1 non-conference P4 opponent which could include ND - Right?

If so, you would think this would help ND, but I wonder if conferences - maybe now more so with a lot of ND independence hate - will preference OoC games with other P4 conference teams vs. ND. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

And yes, ND needs scheduling help moving forward to get more top P4 teams on its schedule.

ab2cmiller · Monday at 1:26 PM

NDWarrior said:
So with the new format rule for each P4 team now this...

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How many open non-conference games does that allow for each P4 conference team? Is it a mix of 1-2 games depending if a conference is mandating 8-9 in-season conference games? E.g., IIRC, the SEC now requires 9 in-season conference games leaving them to schedule 1 non-conference P4 opponent which could include ND - Right?

If so, you would think this would help ND, but I wonder if conferences - maybe now more so with a lot of ND independence hate - will preference OoC games with other P4 conference teams vs. ND. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

And yes, ND needs scheduling help moving forward to get more top P4 teams on its schedule.

From this point forward to be referred to as the "IU/USC clause"

InKellyWeTrust · Monday at 1:46 PM

Unironically, ND looks even better positioned in this new landscape of conference championship-less conferences and 24 team playoffs. ND also looks sage-like in opting out of the Poptart bowl given the bowl system will now be in total collapse. Its almost like ND does it better than anyone else. Basically everyone talking trash last year can still eat shit.

jerseyborn1971 · Monday at 2:03 PM

Realistically, what teams could win the whole thing?

ND
Miami
UGA
Bama

Do we think UCLA could beat 2 of those teams in a row. Could IU, Texas, Tennessee?

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 2:04 PM

jerseyborn1971 said:
Realistically, what teams could win the whole thing?

ND
Miami
UGA
Bama

Do we think UCLA could beat 2 of those teams in a row. Could IU, Texas, Tennessee?

Texas has the talent... But that is about right

bcole2 · Monday at 2:16 PM

jerseyborn1971 said:
Realistically, what teams could win the whole thing?

ND
Miami
UGA
Bama

Do we think UCLA could beat 2 of those teams in a row. Could IU, Texas, Tennessee?

IU can barely beat Minnesota 😂

Dale · Monday at 2:18 PM

jerseyborn1971 said:
Realistically, what teams could win the whole thing?

ND
Miami
UGA
Bama

Do we think UCLA could beat 2 of those teams in a row. Could IU, Texas, Tennessee?

I think if ND has “fixed” their D it’s only Georgia and Notre Dame and then about 8 others that are good in most spots with a massive wart. NDs massive wart looked fix as of Saturday, we will see.

rtrn2glory · Monday at 2:20 PM

I think Texas has enough talent to be a problem for anybody. I'd put them on the list.

GTB · Monday at 2:20 PM

As long as we are scheduling P4 teams, we win 10 games a year and we are certainly in; probably even with 9, depending.
I am laughing at those whining about SOS. Once there are 24 teams in, that really matters little as long as you win enough of them.

and as long as we are winning, we will find good games. The Conferences are not as powerful as some here think they are. LSU showed that. as long as we are contending for a Natty, making it in and winning a couple of playoff games a year, we will be fine.

anyone thinking otherwise is just plain stupid

thekid33 · Monday at 2:20 PM

1) Georgia
2) Healthy ND
3) Healthy Miami
T4) Bama and Texas - Talented, but inconsistent performance and I still have questions about their coaches ability to win 4 in a row

That's the list.

I'll be shocked if the winner isn't coming from that list, and most likely from the top 3.

GTB · Monday at 2:20 PM

rtrn2glory said:
I think Texas has enough talent to be a problem for anybody. I'd put them on the list.

the talent is there; coaching is not and Arch simply is not what his fan boys claim

GTB · Monday at 2:21 PM

thekid33 said:
1) Georgia
2) Healthy ND
3) Healthy Miami
T4) Bama and Texas - Talented, but inconsistent performance and I still have questions about their coaches ability to win 4 in a row

That's the list.

I'll be shocked if the winner isn't coming from that list, and most likely from the top 3.

The ONLY team that worries me is Georgia; they have both the talent and the coaching

Huntr · Monday at 2:41 PM

lmaoooo

ab2cmiller · Monday at 2:53 PM

Huntr said:
lmaoooo

This gives me the warm fuzzies. Rich Clark is just looking out for the fan because he "owes it to us". What a crock of ...

jerseyborn1971 · Monday at 2:55 PM

Arch isn't winning 2-3 huge games in a row.

IrishLax · Monday at 2:57 PM

GTB said:
The ONLY team that worries me is Georgia; they have both the talent and the coaching

Three best teams are Georgia, ND, Miami. Then Bama and Texas are a little frisky. That's it.

Indiana, etc. are trash.

jerseyborn1971 · Monday at 2:57 PM

Joining a conference does nothing for our schedule. No one knows what teams are going to be like in the future. Ohio State is the only team in the Big 10 without a joke schedule because they scheduled Texas. No one in the Big 12 or ACC has a tough schedule. Hell, ND's is 33rd right now. Once you schedule 10 P4 teams, it's all a crap shoot.

T-Boone · Monday at 3:00 PM

Does the 24 team play off mean ND will get more big games during the season (and more big out of conferences games between others)?

If so that is the one positive.

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 3:01 PM

T-Boone said:
Does the 24 team play off mean ND will get more big games during the season (and more big out of conferences games between others)?

If so that is the one positive.

They seem to be promising that because the risk of one more loss on the resume will not kill playoff chances.

jerseyborn1971 · Monday at 3:05 PM

24 team playoff means basically every big time program can lose 3 games. Beating highly ranked teams will be the difference between Top 5 and 15-20. IU's schedule that they have put together for the next 5 years may keep them out of the Top 10 unless they change some games.

ab2cmiller · Monday at 3:08 PM

jerseyborn1971 said:
24 team playoff means basically every big time program can lose 3 games. Beating highly ranked teams will be the difference between Top 5 and 15-20. IU's schedule that they have put together for the next 5 years may keep them out of the Top 10 unless they change some games.

I think the only way it helps us schedule is if the "strength of schedule" component is not just part of the equation, but instead a component that is weighted very heavily.

Jimmy3Putt · Monday at 3:12 PM

ab2cmiller said:
I think the only way it helps us schedule is if the "strength of schedule" component is not just part of the equation, but instead a component that is weighted very heavily.

With the size of these conferences, not all schedules are equal. The teams on the weaker cycle might be forced to schedule us to increase their sos.
Of course if the committee doesn't care about sos for teams in conferences, then we will be a Sophie's choice for every team in the country.

TNUtoNotreDame · Monday at 3:14 PM

Jimmy3Putt said:
With the size of these conferences, not all schedules are equal. The teams on the weaker cycle might be forced to schedule us to increase their sos.
Of course if the committee doesn't care about sos for teams in conferences, then we will be a Sophie's choice for every team in the country.

The committee has conference bias. Especially toward the SEC, and to a little less of a degree the Big 10. The Big 10 is a mess this year. UCLA and Indiana are the flag-bearers? Indiana is not that good this year and UCLA is UCLA. Odd year for them

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