'24 MO RB Aneyas Williams (Notre Dame Signee)

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Id like to see James and Walton get the lion’s share of the carries with James ultimately settling in as more of a 3rd down back. I think he could be a weapon in that role. He has great hands, a short and shifty lower body, and can both get loose in space or get small through a hole.

Walton has to minimally have you curious…
 

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Then what’s the issue lmao

I said it right at the bottom. Your best runner isn't always your most complete back, and your most complete back is your starter. Example: Dex was a great runner, but he struggled being a complete back, especially when it came to pass blocking. It's the #1 reason why he didn't see the starting spot until his last year despite being a more talented runner than the guys ahead of him. That's why Aneyas is our starter now.
 

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Yeh, I think you DO "diminish" him. McDaniel was our team captain and played a year of pro ball in Canada. Just because he was not Jeremiah Love doesn't mean that he wasn't a good football player (and his team knew it.)
Unfortunately he had the fumble that led to a loss against Northwestern. That still sticks out to me.
 

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He was a linebacker the year before. So there's that.

He had two carries against Penn State. Last year, I don't think he had a singe carry in the month of October. He played mop up games in the five biggest blowouts of the year. Go back to 2023. J Love was not setting the world ablaze yet. He had one TD all year against FCS HBCU Tennessee State.

I think we all agree that he's probably not Love or Price, but it's been two games into the season. We all want to see him run for 1,500 yards and win a National Championship. Neither of these can happen in the middle of September. If he were sitting on 250 yards rushing right now, that would be terrific, but for now we have to settle for 2-0 with 6 very impressive quarters of football played so far out of 8.

Pass protection is important for running backs in this program. We've known this now for a number of years now. Most of these high profile recruit running backs are not asked to do it when they're in high school. Now you're at Notre Dame and you are pass protecting against teams like Ohio State, Miami, Wisconsin on the road in season openers. It's a lot to ask of an 18 year old, even if the dude is an early enrollee.
The season is here, we're all excited, but it's been two games. Let it play out a little bit more and the coaches will find the answers.

Didn't you ask if he had any meaningful "reps" though? The answer to your question is "yes." He played a decent amount in that PSU game and contributed in the passing game. Also, one of those carries almost went for a TD.

Id like to see James and Walton get the lion’s share of the carries with James ultimately settling in as more of a 3rd down back. I think he could be a weapon in that role. He has great hands, a short and shifty lower body, and can both get loose in space or get small through a hole.

Walton has to minimally have you curious…

Aneyas has proven to be a great receiver and pass blocker as well. Just sayin.

You guys remember when Love had 119 yards on 33 carries, a whopping 3.6ypc, through two games last year?

Fair point. Two better defenses though and I think we'd all agree that Denbrock went away from Love way too early in that Miami game, as 94 of those 119 yards were against A&M.

And for the record, Price had a 30 yard run against Miami. Love had a 36 yard receiving TD against A&M. Both checked boxes in the explosives categories.



My personal issue at the moment is the lack of explosives from the RBs. Just to be clear, my argument is NOT “bench Williams.” It's just that the explosive plays from the RBs contributed a lot to the success of the offense the last two years, and without Love/Price, it was something I wanted to keep tabs on this season. So far, James’ 28-yard reception is the only one. Considering the competition last week, I think we all expected a few more and got exactly zero. I agree that as the OL gels and the RBs settle in, those plays will come. I’m not bed-wetting or pushing any panic buttons. I’m simply in wait-and-see mode. I realize it’s nitpicking to focus on one aspect of the offense, which is why I’m just tracking it rather than freaking out. But explosives play tracking is relevant when gauging elite offenses.

Put simply, I’ve been wondering: Love/Price were good enough to bail out the OL and the offense multiple times over the last two years. Are the current RBs good enough to do the same when called upon? When the passing game stalls, when the run game stalls...who steps up and breaks the game open? So far, that's still TBD, although we've seen glimmers.
 
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I said it right at the bottom. Your best runner isn't always your most complete back, and your most complete back is your starter. Example: Dex was a great runner, but he struggled being a complete back, especially when it came to pass blocking. It's the #1 reason why he didn't see the starting spot until his last year despite being a more talented runner than the guys ahead of him. That's why Aneyas is our starter now.

Seider said a few days ago he’s completely comfortable with Walton in pass protection, an update from earlier in fall camp.
 

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You guys remember when Love had 119 yards on 33 carries, a whopping 3.6ypc, through two games last year?

It’s not about stats. It’s that he looks observably unathletic compared to the other backs on our roster, which aren’t even world beaters (freshmen tbd).

Watch the MSU back athletically (defense will swarm him) compared to Aneyas. They’re on different planets.
 

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Didn't you ask if he had any meaningful "reps" though? The answer to your question is "yes." He played a decent amount in that PSU game and contributed in the passing game. Also, one of those carries almost went for a TD.
When we factor the Armando Allen quotient into the sample size, this certainly lends credence to the use of the word "meaningful". Which I did in fact use.

Last season, his burn was limited to Purdue, Arkansas, Navy, Syracuse and Stanford.
 

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When we factor the Armando Allen quotient into the sample size, this certainly lends credence to the use of the word "meaningful". Which I did in fact use.

Last season, his burn was limited to Purdue, Arkansas, Navy, Syracuse and Stanford.

Semantics, bro. I get what you're saying in regards to last year, but I'm not looking at just last year. The staff has obviously trusted him since arriving on campus.

The usage of Williams in the PSU CFP SEMI-FINAL lead to 2 scoring drives, the second of which tied the game.

So you're arguing against his usage on a macro level, overall, total, complete body of work. I'm arguing on a per game, situational type usage.
 

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Semantics, bro. I get what you're saying in regards to last year, but I'm not looking at just last year. The staff has obviously trusted him since arriving on campus.

The usage of Williams in the PSU CFP SEMI-FINAL lead to 2 scoring drives, the second of which tied the game.

So you're arguing against his usage on a macro level, overall, total, complete body of work. I'm arguing on a per game, situational type usage.
I think this is what it comes down to, which is what everyone is going to have to live with for the time being. If he gets overtaken on the depth chart in the weeks and months ahead, it will be because they see it every day.

He got meaningful burn in the playoff games in 2024. Apart from that, he's been relegated to clean up work up until now. He's year three in the program during an era of player freedom when it comes to movement. That says something. Last year, he was RB3 behind two first round draft picks. That it what it is, but last year is over. There is a lot of time left. They've played two games, in a six day span no less. Let's see what tomorrow holds.
 

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Might be a hot take but if you look at the $1 million plus portal RBs like Smothers, Brown, Haynes etc and look at Williams, still not a chance in hell I would pay for a portal RB if done over again

I thought Smothers looked damn good against OSU. YPC isn't that impressive, but it's also skewed by two goal-line TDs.
 

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Didn't you ask if he had any meaningful "reps" though? The answer to your question is "yes." He played a decent amount in that PSU game and contributed in the passing game. Also, one of those carries almost went for a TD.



Aneyas has proven to be a great receiver and pass blocker as well. Just sayin.
It’s ironic to me b/c AW only got mop up duty last season but it was, for the most part; against the opponents’ first team D. Just like w/ Walton in his impressive reps in mop up duty vs starting D last week. Granted, those defenses were spent & probably ready to call it a day but it’s apples to apples and AW’s was against below avg to decent defense whereas Walton’s runs vs Rice was the worst D they’ll probably face this season. Like most have said, I’ll trust the coaching staff to work it out.
 

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I said it right at the bottom. Your best runner isn't always your most complete back, and your most complete back is your starter. Example: Dex was a great runner, but he struggled being a complete back, especially when it came to pass blocking. It's the #1 reason why he didn't see the starting spot until his last year despite being a more talented runner than the guys ahead of him. That's why Aneyas is our starter now.
It's always blown my mind that pass blocking can keep a elite talent off the field. The type fo back that ends up at ND, or any other big time program, almost always has ridiculous physical traits - size, speed, strength, athleticism, or some combination of the 4. It's a requirement for the job. Sure, some are undersized, but that really doesnt even matte - some of the smallest backs have been the best pass blockers, i.e., Kyren Williams

Most of the time, it's really not that difficult of a block. You're not being asked to pass set an edge rusher 1 on 1 and sustain the block on a 5 step drop. Usually, you're stepping up into the pocket and putting a hit on a blitzing LBer or helping out a lineman who gets beat. The pass-pro responsibilities for a back usually aren't that complicated either. Most of the time, you're scanning inside to out and hitting the first guy who comes through the line.

If you're physically capable of carrying the ball at this level and know the offense well enough to run it, you should have zero issues learning to pass block. It's almost always a matter of wanting to do it.

This rant has absolutely nothing to do with the freshman backs on the roster. It's just me screaming into the sky.
 

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As to RB pass protection: there are three things.

1. You must be physically able to do it (as Bill says).
2. You must WANT to do it (really. Stand in there and "take" the collision. While it's not USUALLY true that an ND back is unwilling, I HAVE seen some who were, especially early in their career. They didn't have to in HS, and they don't want to "now.")
3. [THE ORDINARY PROBLEM]: College blitzing is WAY beyond HS, and WAY-ER beyond if you didn't do any blocking in HS. Yes, blocking the outside speed rush, or the outside speed rush when it suddenly spins inside, is a pick-up one should learn more quickly. Our RB breakdowns are not those (or were not back when I had a TV system which would allow blocking analysis) but because the misblocking RB did not see what the more interior things were doing ALONG WITH more than one blitz coming from ... wherever. It's WHO exactly needs to be picked up? And not deciding three counts into the play, when the penetration has already happened. It's this kind of Early Analysis that Kyren was so good at -- also Cam -- Aneyas too. When the complex blitz occurred, these guys were (like a great intuitive linebacker) already seeing through the wash. And were there one to two strides further up into the play than the willing-but-unseeing RB on the bench.

And you HAVE to have that blocker out there. ONE QB-smearing sack ends a whole drive. One awkward hurry gets intercepted. Unless you're going to run every down, you can't have this.
 

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As to RB pass protection: there are three things.

1. You must be physically able to do it (as Bill says).
2. You must WANT to do it (really. Stand in there and "take" the collision. While it's not USUALLY true that an ND back is unwilling, I HAVE seen some who were, especially early in their career. They didn't have to in HS, and they don't want to "now.")
3. [THE ORDINARY PROBLEM]: College blitzing is WAY beyond HS, and WAY-ER beyond if you didn't do any blocking in HS. Yes, blocking the outside speed rush, or the outside speed rush when it suddenly spins inside, is a pick-up one should learn more quickly. Our RB breakdowns are not those (or were not back when I had a TV system which would allow blocking analysis) but because the misblocking RB did not see what the more interior things were doing ALONG WITH more than one blitz coming from ... wherever. It's WHO exactly needs to be picked up? And not deciding three counts into the play, when the penetration has already happened. It's this kind of Early Analysis that Kyren was so good at -- also Cam -- Aneyas too. When the complex blitz occurred, these guys were (like a great intuitive linebacker) already seeing through the wash. And were there one to two strides further up into the play than the willing-but-unseeing RB on the bench.

And you HAVE to have that blocker out there. ONE QB-smearing sack ends a whole drive. One awkward hurry gets intercepted. Unless you're going to run every down, you can't have this.
Great analysis., Reminds me of the Derrick Henry stories from freshman year where the OC was constantly ripping him a new one every practice because he didn't know much about pass protection. And he told Saban after, "I dont know anything about this stuff. All they did in high school was turn around and hand me the football."

Derrick Henry was a man amongst boys in college. And he even needed some time to learn how to do it. And when our biggest concern is keeping the QB healthy and allowing him to make plays, then I'm all for making sure any running back that goes it, knows how to pass block.
 

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Seider said a few days ago he’s completely comfortable with Walton in pass protection, an update from earlier in fall camp.

Ok, then why is Williams still the starter this week? Actions speak louder than words.
 

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Ok, then why is Williams still the starter this week? Actions speak louder than words.

Did we play already?

Williams knows he needs to play better. Seider knows he needs to play better. Hopefully we see better, yeah?
 

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Depth chart was released.

Yeah the depth chart is super serious snap count wise

I also never suggested he was/should be benched? Honestly don’t really know what you’re even getting at this point tbh. You seem to have an answer to everything as to why Walton isn’t good so yeah I guess he won’t play
 
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It's always blown my mind that pass blocking can keep a elite talent off the field. The type fo back that ends up at ND, or any other big time program, almost always has ridiculous physical traits - size, speed, strength, athleticism, or some combination of the 4. It's a requirement for the job. Sure, some are undersized, but that really doesnt even matte - some of the smallest backs have been the best pass blockers, i.e., Kyren Williams

Most of the time, it's really not that difficult of a block. You're not being asked to pass set an edge rusher 1 on 1 and sustain the block on a 5 step drop. Usually, you're stepping up into the pocket and putting a hit on a blitzing LBer or helping out a lineman who gets beat. The pass-pro responsibilities for a back usually aren't that complicated either. Most of the time, you're scanning inside to out and hitting the first guy who comes through the line.

If you're physically capable of carrying the ball at this level and know the offense well enough to run it, you should have zero issues learning to pass block. It's almost always a matter of wanting to do it.

This rant has absolutely nothing to do with the freshman backs on the roster. It's just me screaming into the sky.

You'd think it would be easy to grasp, but not always. Some players I think believe it's beneath them or that they know better, kind of like how GA III always ran upright when coaches tried to get him low. It's true at the college level, but even more so at the NFL level obviously. Juice Williams worked on his pass blocking his last year, but he struggled with it again in the NFL and quickly flamed out. After his Rookie year he spent the rest of his time on practice squads before doing a season with the USFL. You can't be a starter and just get handoffs, no matter how crazy talented of a runner you are.
 

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I might mention one other little subtlety regarding how important it is for the RB to recognize things FAST. When the play begins to constrict or even gash, the RB isn't the only one watching this happen -- so is the QB. The QB might well want to move in the pocket to a safer spot for one or two more seconds. He can't be running into a late-decisioning RB wandering into his space. The QB needs to have sense what his "extra" blocker is really doing as quickly as possible. (It's also necessary to know that his willing-but-non-massive extra blocker is not going to give away too much ground at the hit.)

QBs often also have tendencies-of-drift. I don't know if CJ has any such thing, but in our first two games he was "tending" to drift to his left. I think that this was only because Black and Knapp were holding their pocket areas better than whoever was in at RT. (I'm hoping that CJ doesn't have ANY such subconscious tendencies, and this is simply reality-generated [or DCs could game this}). Anyway, IF any tendencies were going on, the RB needs snaps with the QB and OLine to get comfortable (and quick) with these also. This is why things like pass pro should get better with time, if the RB is actually trying to do the job.
 

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It’s not about stats. It’s that he looks observably unathletic compared to the other backs on our roster, which aren’t even world beaters (freshmen tbd).

Watch the MSU back athletically (defense will swarm him) compared to Aneyas. They’re on different planets.
I'm not sure anything is really TBD. We have enough data to know Walton is an athletic freak and Javian is not, though Javian brings pretty much everything other than measurables.
 
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