Disturbing trend for Notre Dame?

[phork]

Man so much negativity. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG, keep moving along. Kool-aid dispensers on your right, green colored glassed to your left.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The problem is the title. There is no "trend" as we did the EXACT OPPOSITE flipping a bunch of recruits to us the previous year and winning battles we shouldn't have won.

Just a poorly written article but not really incorrect on anything.

I think you probably nailed it there sir.

 

[NDOM]

Sometimes the truth stings a little. Lemming said nothing we did not already know. It is a disturbing trend though. Maybe the players see something we don't.

 

[NDOM]

Oh, and maybe if we won more maybe just maybe the recruits will start showing up more.

 

[BobD]

"IT'S NOT A TREND" ~IrishLax


and I agree.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

"IT'S NOT A TREND" ~IrishLax


and I agree.

I mean look at this past year:
Prestwood, Carlisle, Jones and Kiel switched to ND.

 

[Grahambo]

It's really that simple.

 

[stlnd01]

Maybe the players see something we don't.

I think if that were the case we'd see more transfers. All things considered we've really had quite few since Kelly showed up.
It's a funny thing, and, like Lax said, the opposite of last year. Perkins was apparently academics and Decker makes sense - he grew up an OSU fan and got a late offer. The others seem like the kind of "football first" kids sometimes talked about around here. Talented, but maybe a bit of a reach socially/academically, or at least kids who have other priorities.
To upgrade the talent level, we probably need more of those guys - we're not likely to field a winning team full of Manti Teo choir boys. But we also have to find the right ones and keep them in the fold. That's the hard part. Gets harder all the time, especially if we don't start winning more games. But at this point I don't really buy that it's Kelly's "fault."

 

[Patulski]

Sometimes the truth stings a little. Lemming said nothing we did not already know. It is a disturbing trend though. Maybe the players see something we don't.

Lemming asserted that Shepard was "left out on an island" at ND academically and socially. I find that hard to believe, but the trend of the article is that ND needs to be more vigilant. He also asserted that losing 5 commits can and should be managed by being more vigilant this year. That presumes they weren't. If they weren't, can anybody dispute that they do need to be more vigilant? The only rumbling I heard about the staff not being vigilant was concerning Darby, and it came straight from Lemmings mouth to a friend of mine who does business with him.

With that said, Lemming is a business man. He's selling the idea that he knows what's wrong with ND recruiting. Will it get him more subscribers? We'll see. The beauty of it for Lemming is that if ND has a great recruiting class in 2013, he can say they did it because they were more vigilant. Even better, if they come from the Midwest, he'll play the soothsayer.

 

[Pachuco]

Let's talk about the disturbing trend of bs articles in sports journalism.

While some ND fans remain in denial, the majority of the fanbase already knows that this class could have been stronger. As other posters have said, this recruiting year was very much the opposite of last year's great success. At the same time, we gained some important pieces to the puzzle that will help fill out a very young team. Granted, we have keys areas that unfortunately did not get filled with this class.

The only disturbing trend for Notre Dame football is losing the big games that can and should be won. Resolve this, and we will begin to winover some of that legit talent that teams like Stanford and other schools have been raking in.

The focus should be on Kelly's coaching strategy, and how ND can correct the mistakes that cost wins last year. The issue that concerns me most is discipline on the field. We can't afford to shoot ourselves in the foot in games we should win.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Disturbing trend for Notre Dame?

I'm gonna go with my man Nuke's style here.

No.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This was a terrible recruiting job by the whole staff, and it's embarrassing to only get 16 recruits, including only THREE at defensive back. That's horrible and very disturbing. The decommits are a terrible sign.

Laughably overstated.

Jeez they had an unfortunate luck this past season.

Understated.



The truth is somewhere in the middle. In recruiting, sometimes **** happens. But when too much **** happens to one program all at once, then there are certainly things that program has to do better. The net results of this recruiting cycle were not good enough. Some of that is unfortunate circumstances, unforeseeable events, etc. Some of it is due to suboptimal results on the field and, most likely, misplaying certain recruitments.

 

[Grahambo]

A terribly unlucky season, no question about that. However, just win. Need to turn into Rain Man and win those unlucky games. Overcome adversity. Teams have won with much less talent. It can be done. It must be done. It will be done.

 

[Patulski]

Some of it is due to suboptimal results on the field .

The best thing Kelly can do in 2012 is win the three prime time games: Michigan/Miami/USC.
He lost the three in 2011, Michigan/USC/FSU- along with the USF debacle- and that's not good enough.

Whatever momentum we had going into 2012 is gone. It's up to Kelly to get it turned around. By year 3, his physical and mental toughness should be fully ingrained in the program. I expect him to get it done.

 

[Irishnuke]

I'm gonna go with my man Nuke's style here.

No.

F'n A Cotton!

I don't know what label you attach to it, but there was a very big recruiting problem last year. Losing five 4/5 star recruits is a giant issue. Go ahead and blame it on Urban, changing position coaches, track, playing in someone's shadow, homesickness, whatever...it's bullshit. Bottom line is attrition was the #1 problem for our staff last year. It's a poor job of closing by BK and company. Once these kids verbal the staff essentially becomes their babysitter until they sign their LOI. These kids all verballed to ND for a reason. Whatever reason that may be, the staff needs to sell the sh*t out of it over and over again. If the staff is getting the feeling that a kid isn't committed or is looking for a way out, cut the cord early so we don't have to scramble like we did at the end of this past cycle. I don't know what happened between the '11 cycle and the '12 cycle, but there are major issues that need to be addressed or we're going to see the same sh*t happening and then it will become a trend. Lastly, wins do help and make selling ND a hell of a lot easier.

Forgot to mention grades. That's the only real reason I see for a decommitment.

 

[ClausentoTate]

Two top 10-15 classes (even after defections), a few impact transfers and one CB leaving for health reasons and we're completely screwed? We got 3 huge 5 star defections to join us last year, lost 3 this year and unfortunately Tee has academic and/or major health issues.

It isn't the end of the world. We need a few more CBs than we thought this year, but we aren't bereft of talent like people seem to think.

 

[Irishnuke]

We most definitely are short of talent at CB. That was our biggest need this past recruiting cycle and we got skunked.

Nobody is speaking about the 2011 class. You won't find many people who don't think that was a very good class. The Lemming article was referring to the 2012 class. Unfortunately, it wasn't a good class. We did land some quality recruits, but not enough and not at the right positions. You can't justify a disappointing class by talking about how good the class was the year before. We need classes like our '11 class every season, not every other.

 

[NDOM]

Two top 10-15 classes (even after defections), a few impact transfers and one CB leaving for health reasons and we're completely screwed? We got 3 huge 5 star defections to join us last year, lost 3 this year and unfortunately Tee has academic and/or major health issues.

It isn't the end of the world. We need a few more CBs than we thought this year, but we aren't bereft of talent like people seem to think.

We actually finished 24th in recruiting not 10-15.

 

[BobD]

We actually finished 24th in recruiting not 10-15.

We're Independent so we'll rank ourselves.

 

[alohagoirish]

My big hope for this season is Everett Golson and he was poached from North carolina!

Yes we lost too many recruits---but we perfromed a circus act the year before with LYNCH/TUITT/ISHAQ/ & eventually prestwood.

The complaint is correct--too many defections--does the staff have some blame , perhaps---is this some kind of trend destined to continue this season & beyond--NO REASON to believe thats the case.

First year looked like we had recruiters capable of miracles, and we all kept waiting for those miracles to appear this year, we waited to signing day , and we DID get a minor miracle in NEAL!

Maybe Greenberry & shepherd were a mistake to recruit from the get go , BUT WOULD YOU HAVE IGNORED POSSIBLE COMMITS FROM THEM??---Obviously that woud have been unprofessional so where does that leave us.

We likely are NOT as good as we looked in 2011--and likely not as BAD as we looked in 2012--i would wager on a more balanced year this year. Top 15 class one or two defections---splitting the difference between 2011 & 2012.

 

[Irish Fam]

We actually finished 24th in recruiting not 10-15.

12 on 247
20 on Rivals
9 on ESPN
16 on Scout

not sure where u are getting 24th...

 

[Irishnuke]

Yes we lost too many recruits---but we perfromed a circus act the year before with LYNCH/TUITT/ISHAQ/ & eventually prestwood.

Nobody is talking about our 2011 class. The problem happened with this past class. If this happens for our '13 cycle, are we going to brush it off and talk about how awesome our class was two years ago?

 

[Irishnuke]

12 on 247
20 on Rivals
9 on ESPN
16 on Scout

not sure where u are getting 24th...

Those are with Tee. Don't know where that would put us, not that it matters, or where NDOM got 24.

 

[NDhoosier]

 

[JadeBrecks]

I don't read the article but I get the journel gazette living in fort wayne. That paper hates notre dame with a passion.

 

[Rocket89]

Nobody is talking about our 2011 class. The problem happened with this past class. If this happens for our '13 cycle, are we going to brush it off and talk about how awesome our class was two years ago?

A "trend" would have to include more than one year, correct?

That's the biggest problem with the article that started this thread. There can't be a disturbing trend if the exact opposite thing happened just a year ago.

This class was a little disappointing and we missed out on corners. But the class has a lot of great players.

Those who said this class was an epic fail need to take a deep breath. We picked up the top QB and athlete in the country---weird how that's not mentioned in the article.

 

[Irishnuke]

A "trend" would have to include more than one year, correct?

That's the biggest problem with the article that started this thread. There can't be a disturbing trend if the exact opposite thing happened just a year ago.

This class was a little disappointing and we missed out on corners. But the class has a lot of great players.

Those who said this class was an epic fail need to take a deep breath. We picked up the top QB and athlete in the country---weird how that's not mentioned in the article.

The only thing wrong in the article was the word "trend."

 

[BestBIrish47]

Wins.. The Irish need to win those close ones that we have been finding ways to lose. When does the Narwhal Bacon?

 

[Grahambo]

Here's a trend that ND needs, WIN!

Win and the recruits come.

 

[NDhoosier]

Here's a trend that ND needs, WIN!

Win and the recruits come.

in the great words of baseball history

win and they will come...
uh, wait...