Gregg Williams: Bounty Hunter

[BeauBenken]

I'm not saying I appreciate guys trying to injure someone, but I do appreciate guys going HAM when they hit someone.

 

[phgreek]

...So the league spends tons of time and money to "make the game safer"...and to conduct research on concussions, etc...they change the rules, they change the equipment...

...ANNNNNND, its all bullshit!

How can it be real if this is as common as folks indicate...ROGER BOY better end some careers here, or he is an egg-in-the-face buffoon! Total politician POS!

EDIT: And the guy is still sugar coating and defelcting blame...how could the guy have a program w/ the skins BEFORE New Orleans, yet meerly choose to go along in New Orleans...effing liar, non-contrite, only sorry cause he got caught POS!

 

[BobD]

The NFL is doing more investigating to see how prevalent this is throughout the league.

My initial thought was that Williams would be banned for life from the NFL but I believe as more instances of this are found, it will lessen the penalties of the coaches and players already found to be participating in bounties.

 

[military_irish]

I read a couple "experts" said Williams should be banned for half a season or a season. But I am sorry that is bulltihs. He paid players to do EXTREME damage, not just make a QB feel pain but to actually send them off on a cart.

That's not just being physical that is trying to end a person's career.

 

[Grahambo]

Worse excuse in the book is saying everyone is doing it. Of course a lot of the older veterans of the league past and present are saying no big deal but these same folks are crying about post NFL life. Maybe it really isn't the NFL's fault as they claim. Maybe they should look within themselves.

A bunch of hypocrites.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I think you have to separate teams into offense and defense when looking at an issue like this.. in no other sport I can think of do players only play either offense or defense.. in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc you play both sides of the ball

that's why I think some of the old NFL players that played on offense have some ground to be upset with the NFL over their injuries/conditions.. if these defensive bounty systems were in operation and the NFL did nothing, then the NFL is somewhat at fault.. although, if the offenses had bounties on taking out defensive players' knees on chop blocks or things like that then they're not scott-free

 

[phgreek]

Of course a lot of the older veterans of the league past and present are saying no big deal but these same folks are crying about post NFL life. Maybe it really isn't the NFL's fault as they claim. Maybe they should look within themselves.

A bunch of hypocrites.

AGREED!

this is such a bunch of garbage on all levels...I don't doubt this bounty stuff was done in varying degrees for a long time...I don't doubt the Comish knows about it...what pisses me off is they are all liars...PR whores who won't just be who they are...

if you want bounties...fine, but don't say they are illigal. If they are illigal, then you can't turn a blind eye, which appears to be what Roger Boy has been doing.

if you don't care about safety, and life after football for these guys...then don't say you care. Don't spend money on studies, and PR...just tell these guys to make sure they have hospice in their retirement plans and move on. Seriously...how in the hell can this be prevalent, and a known practice yet no one has dealt with it...F^&CK...Just have the nuts to be who you are...don't lie to people.

 

[irishpat183]

Oh...I"m sorry ladies...I thought we were talking about FOOTBALL.

A game in which you hit other people. Where big hits are celebrated by fans and media alike. A game in which, in fact, you are being paid to light guys up anyway.

Every defensive player in the NFL can be labled a "Bounty Hunter" if you think about it. And whether Williams was involved or not, the players do it on their own.

Nothing wrong with giving your guys a little more incentive to go out and knock some heads around.

As far as "player safety"?? You play football for a living. You know it's gonna end one day. Maybe instead of buying that 4th mansion, you set aside some cash for future health issues that may arise. Just a thought. I put it like this: Big risk, big reward. You don't have to play....

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

AGREED!

this is such a bunch of garbage on all levels...I don't doubt this bounty stuff was done in varying degrees for a long time...I don't doubt the Comish knows about it...what pisses me off is they are all liars...PR whores who won't just be who they are...

if you want bounties...fine, but don't say they are illigal. If they are illigal, then you can't turn a blind eye, which appears to be what Roger Boy has been doing.

if you don't care about safety, and life after football for these guys...then don't say you care. Don't spend money on studies, and PR...just tell these guys to make sure they have hospice in their retirement plans and move on. Seriously...how in the hell can this be prevalent, and a known practice yet no one has dealt with it...F^&CK...Just have the nuts to be who you are...don't lie to people.

lol if they want to look at example of how a thing like this negatively affected a sport look no further than baseball.. for years the commish knew the players were taking PEDs and all the while they were promoting the McGuire vs. Sosa derby and what not.. then Selig did a total 180 and started going after the players..

I guess my point is people knowing about things for years then turning around and trying to vilify people will not work out well for the NFL.. they had better not known about bounties for years then just now act on them.. that will be a PR nightmare for the NFL

 

[irishpat183]

"I never took it for anything [but] just incentive to make good, hard plays," said a current player. "But I'm pretty sure it did entice some guys to do more to a player than normal when it came to taking them out. I mean, that's cash. Let's just be honest about it."

So it was intended to give them incentives to play hard and light guys up...Then I see nothing wrong with it. And you can't control how someone is gonna interpret something. If cash was laid down for big hits, so what? It's on sportscenter every night anyway being cheered on.

The NFL is getting worse and worse. Just eliminate tackling all together.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Oh...I"m sorry ladies...I thought we were talking about FOOTBALL.

A game in which you hit other people. Where big hits are celebrated by fans and media alike. A game in which, in fact, you are being paid to light guys up anyway.

Every defensive player in the NFL can be labled a "Bounty Hunter" if you think about it. And whether Williams was involved or not, the players do it on their own.

Nothing wrong with giving your guys a little more incentive to go out and knock some heads around.

As far as "player safety"?? You play football for a living. You know it's gonna end one day. Maybe instead of buying that 4th mansion, you set aside some cash for future health issues that may arise. Just a thought. I put it like this: Big risk, big reward. You don't have to play....

Ask Dave Duerson's family about putting money aside for post football for health issues. He shot himself in the chest to insure medical experts could study the effects of this game on the human brain. That entire statement you just made is ignorant in my opinion. It's a violent enough game without guys going bounty hunting. You shouldn't need to put a bounty on someone to make the game exciting. I understand it happens, many players recent comments have made that abundantly clear, but it doesnt make it right. Ask Merrill Hoge if he wished he could've gotten knocked around for a bounty. As it was, he had to re learn how to read.

 

[DSully1995]

Bounties arent good, but this has gone out of proportion, just fine the members 3x the amounts payed out and wrap it up.

 

[phgreek]

Oh...I"m sorry ladies...I thought we were talking about FOOTBALL.

A game in which you hit other people. Where big hits are celebrated by fans and media alike. A game in which, in fact, you are being paid to light guys up anyway.

Every defensive player in the NFL can be labled a "Bounty Hunter" if you think about it. And whether Williams was involved or not, the players do it on their own.

Nothing wrong with giving your guys a little more incentive to go out and knock some heads around.

As far as "player safety"?? You play football for a living. You know it's gonna end one day. Maybe instead of buying that 4th mansion, you set aside some cash for future health issues that may arise. Just a thought. I put it like this: Big risk, big reward. You don't have to play....

...disagree with your staement that there is nothing wrong with it...already a rule that says you can't...so in my book rather folks want to turn the sport into flag football or not is immaterial. Enforce the rule...or kill it. ...so everyone knows the rules...

I understand the game is violent...but the league should just STFU about all this caring PR business, and be who they are. Or do things consistant with the caring concern message...

When you do what I think Roger Boy has done here, you create a situation where criminal behavior is rewarded...as one previous poster mentioned ala baseball. Its a form of hypocrisy that makes people nuts...(especially me) because all the rewards go to the cheaters, not the guys who follow the rules...Nobody to nail Goodell for being a douche, but I want it to be so miserable for goodell he has to give Williams the death penalty...and it has nothing to do with me wanting to turn the sport into flag football.

 

[irishpat183]

Ask Dave Duerson's family about putting money aside for post football for health issues. He shot himself in the chest to insure medical experts could study the effects of this game on the human brain. That entire statement you just made is ignorant in my opinion. It's a violent enough game without guys going bounty hunting. You shouldn't need to put a bounty on someone to make the game exciting. I understand it happens, many players recent comments have made that abundantly clear, but it doesnt make it right. Ask Merrill Hoge if he wished he could've gotten knocked around for a bounty. As it was, he had to re learn how to read.

So now you're claiming Dave Duerson was a victim of bounties? Or Merrill Hoge was?? Come on.

See, this is where it's going. Now EVERYONE who's ever suffered an injury will be screaming "bounty"?@!?!?!?!?!! He must've been targeted!!! Like the "bullying" thing in schools these days.

Football is a tough sport. Guys are gonnna get hurt, bad. But that's the price you pay to make millions of dollars. Again, you can go get another job. You dont' have to play football.

And I think the "bounty hunting" thing is overblown. I seriously doubt there will be a shred of proof that proves that they were actually trying to end someones career or seriously hurt them. Like the players are saying, it was just an incentive to play hard and be rewarded for those decleaters.

Again, just get rid of tackling. With the new rule changes and now this, just get rid of it and save football players the injuries. Because we need to protect them from themselves. Because they're grown men and can't handle that.

 

[irishpat183]

...disagree with your staement that there is nothing wrong with it...already a rule that says you can't...so in my book rather folks want to turn the sport into flag football or not is immaterial. Enforce the rule...or kill it. ...so everyone knows the rules...

I understand the game is violent...but the league should just STFU about all this caring PR business, and be who they are. Or do things consistant with the caring concern message...

When you do what I think Roger Boy has done here, you create a situation where criminal behavior is rewarded...as one previous poster mentioned ala baseball. Its a form of hypocrisy that makes people nuts...(especially me) because all the rewards go to the cheaters, not the guys who follow the rules...Nobody to nail Goodell for being a douche, but I want it to be so miserable for goodell he has to give Williams the death penalty...and it has nothing to do with me wanting to turn the sport into flag football.

You mean the same criminal behaivor that we are all guilty of enjoying? Perhaps the greatest summer in baseball HISTORY was when two guys juicing were chasing baseballs homer record at one time. NFL set records in TV auidences this year.

Man, we sure hate those hypocrites.

So this "holier than art thou" attitude that fans have about sports and hypocrisy needs to stop.

If anything, we're even bigger hypocrites for watching.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

...disagree with your staement that there is nothing wrong with it...already a rule that says you can't...so in my book rather folks want to turn the sport into flag football or not is immaterial. Enforce the rule...or kill it. ...so everyone knows the rules...

I understand the game is violent...but the league should just STFU about all this caring PR business, and be who they are. Or do things consistant with the caring concern message...

When you do what I think Roger Boy has done here, you create a situation where criminal behavior is rewarded...as one previous poster mentioned ala baseball. Its a form of hypocrisy that makes people nuts...(especially me) because all the rewards go to the cheaters, not the guys who follow the rules...Nobody to nail Goodell for being a douche, but I want it to be so miserable for goodell he has to give Williams the death penalty...and it has nothing to do with me wanting to turn the sport into flag football.

I agree.. it was worse for Selig and baseball to allow PEDs then instantly ban them and criminalize the players before people the media would criminalize the people that allowed it to go on (Selig and all managers/GMs).. same thing is happening here.. they're trying to take down Williams and the Saints before anything comes out that says they (commissioner's office) knew about it and so forth (this is just my opinion though.. pure speculation, but it does add up and make sense)

I agree with you.. I think it would be better for the NFL to be brutally honest than two-faced, and I think that is what this comes down to

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

You mean the same criminal behaivor that we are all guilty of enjoying? Perhaps the greatest summer in baseball HISTORY was when two guys juicing were chasing baseballs homer record at one time. NFL set records in TV auidences this year.

Man, we sure hate those hypocrites.

So this "holier than art thou" attitude that fans have about sports and hypocrisy needs to stop.

If anything, we're even bigger hypocrites for watching.

the hypocrite you're talking about is Bud Selig who turned a blind eye to the steroid fiasco to increase revenue.. the unknowing fans did not have the responsibility to stop PEDs in baseball, Selig did

just like we don't have the responsibility to clean up the NFL, Roger does.. he also has the responsibility to not be two faced.. he needs to just say it how it is

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So now you're claiming Dave Duerson was a victim of bounties? Or Merrill Hoge was?? Come on.

See, this is where it's going. Now EVERYONE who's ever suffered an injury will be screaming "bounty"?@!?!?!?!?!! He must've been targeted!!! Like the "bullying" thing in schools these days.

Football is a tough sport. Guys are gonnna get hurt, bad. But that's the price you pay to make millions of dollars. Again, you can go get another job. You dont' have to play football.

And I think the "bounty hunting" thing is overblown. I seriously doubt there will be a shred of proof that proves that they were actually trying to end someones career or seriously hurt them. Like the players are saying, it was just an incentive to play hard and be rewarded for those decleaters.


Again, just get rid of tackling. With the new rule changes and now this, just get rid of it and save football players the injuries. Because we need to protect them from themselves. Because they're grown men and can't handle that.

Please highlight the area of my post were I said Duerson and Hoge were victims of bounties. I made the point to show the that no amount of money can be set aside to cure some of the injuries that are inflicted on these guys. The game is inherently violent enough, we agree on that. The game does not benefit from bounties.
No proof that they were actually trying to end someones career or seriously hurt them? How about the $10,000 Jonathan Vilma offered to anyone on the team that provided the knock out shot on Favre? Not proof enough, it is for me.

 

[phgreek]

You mean the same criminal behaivor that we are all guilty of enjoying? Perhaps the greatest summer in baseball HISTORY was when two guys juicing were chasing baseballs homer record at one time. NFL set records in TV auidences this year.

Man, we sure hate those hypocrites.

So this "holier than art thou" attitude that fans have about sports and hypocrisy needs to stop.

If anything, we're even bigger hypocrites for watching.

again disagree...

Fans unwittingly cheering for a cheater is not hypocrissy...its ignorance. I think when fans catch on to systemic sh!t like baseball...the day of reconing comes...if folks were hypocrites, wouldn't baseball be all the rage? Is it? I honestly think I watched more baseball in any year on average than I have in the years since this all went down.

Lemme ask you this...What about the guys who didn't cheat...how were their compensation packages...where'd their achievements show up? Which clean guys never made a roster because other guys cheated.

I hate people who get over...That simple. I'm not hypocritical (well I try not to be)...fair play zealot I guess...

 

[irishpat183]

the hypocrite you're talking about is Bud Selig who turned a blind eye to the steroid fiasco to increase revenue.. the unknowing fans did not have the responsibility to stop PEDs in baseball, Selig did

just like we don't have the responsibility to clean up the NFL, Roger does.. he also has the responsibility to not be two faced.. he needs to just say it how it is

"Unknowing fans" Laughable.

Sure we didn't know....Come on. Everyone and their mama knew guys were juicing.

 

[irishpat183]

Please highlight the area of my post were I said Duerson and Hoge were victims of bounties. I made the point to show the that no amount of money can be set aside to cure some of the injuries that are inflicted on these guys. The game is inherently violent enough, we agree on that. The game does not benefit from bounties.
No proof that they were actually trying to end someones career or seriously hurt them? How about the $10,000 Jonathan Vilma offered to anyone on the team that provided the knock out shot on Favre? Not proof enough, it is for me.

A knock out shot is what players are going for on every down. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Now if he said he'd pay for someone to end his career? Or specifically break his leg or twist his knee?? I get you. But the NFL is full of violent plays and violent talk.

This is nothing special.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

A knock out shot is what players are going for on every down. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Now if he said he'd pay for someone to end his career? Or specifically break his leg or twist his knee?? I get you. But the NFL is full of violent plays and violent talk.

This is nothing special.

Clearly you and I see things differently. I will no longer argue this point w you, it is time I will never get back.

 

[irishpat183]

again disagree...

Fans unwittingly cheering for a cheater is not hypocrissy...its ignorance. I think when fans catch on to systemic sh!t like baseball...the day of reconing comes...if folks were hypocrites, wouldn't baseball be all the rage? Is it? I honestly think I watched more baseball in any year on average than I have in the years since this all went down.

Lemme ask you this...What about the guys who didn't cheat...how were their compensation packages...where'd their achievements show up? Which clean guys never made a roster because other guys cheated.

I hate people who get over...That simple. I'm not hypocritical (well I try not to be)...fair play zealot I guess...

A. You honestly think that fans didn't know guys were juicing? Again, that's BS and you and I both know it.
B. Baseball is doing just fine. It's still a SOLID #2 next to the NFL. So it's not hurting.

And I'm not advocating for cheaters, just stating the fact that we all knew it was going on and we all enjoy watching the big hits and big homeruns and as long as it's never in the news, we can sit back fat and happy and ignore the elephant in theh room.

 

[irishpat183]

Clearly you and I see things differently. I will no longer argue this point w you, it is time I will never get back.

Because I have a different perspective?

Sorry, we just see things differently.

 

[Grahambo]

Roger Goodell knew it was happening and warned the Saints and told them to stop, they didn't.

Paying players money that is not written and signed into their contract is illegal.

Football is not blood sport. This isn't an arena for a bunch of gladiators. This isn't MMA. Having incentive built in to knowingly and willing target a player to get him carted off the field, to injure him, or hurt his career is WRONG.

Look at hits James Harrison has been making over the past few years. We will never know the mind set inside a players head nor the specific plays in question but the mere fact of having a system in place that paid people money to go out and have them carted off the field is WRONG.

 

[phgreek]

A. You honestly think that fans didn't know guys were juicing? Again, that's BS and you and I both know it.
B. Baseball is doing just fine. It's still a SOLID #2 next to the NFL. So it's not hurting.

And I'm not advocating for cheaters, just stating the fact that we all knew it was going on and we all enjoy watching the big hits and big homeruns and as long as it's never in the news, we can sit back fat and happy and ignore the elephant in theh room.

A) I never suspected anyone other than Bonds...who was merely a stick figure in Pittsburgh...I questioned him for sure, and I thought he was a joke. I never participated in baseball beyond college, and no one even thought of roids then...I knew a couple lineman on the football team who said they juiced...both were still fat@sses, so I couldn't tell.
B) Pretty good for the game that is inextricably tied to the national identity...

 

[NDhoosier]

irishpat183, you scare me...

Bounty hunting and playing hard are two different things and what has happened here with the Saints (now the Rams) coach is just wrong. Trying to "spin it" to make it seem like its not a big deal really makes me worried about where football fans are headed...

 

[Redbar]

irishpat183, you scare me...

Bounty hunting and playing hard are two different things and what has happened here with the Saints (now the Rams) coach is just wrong. Trying to "spin it" to make it seem like its not a big deal really makes me worried about where football fans are headed...

+1

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Greg Williams promoting injury bounty hits before the 49ers vs saints playoff game...DISGUSTING!

Report: Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

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