College Football Playoffs

[returnofthemack]

Common sense finally prevails over BCS

 

[military_irish]

From the sound of it, could turn bad for Notre Dame and its independence status.

After the current BCS contract runs its course, it looks like college football will go to a final-four format, with four conference champions playing semifinal games at one of the participating teams' home stadiums. That will be followed by a national championship game on or about New Years Day to be held at a neutral location.

 

[irishff1014]

From the sound of it, could turn bad for Notre Dame and its independence status.

I got the same impression MI. They might be forcing ND to to make a choice.

 

[returnofthemack]

I really doubt they'd limit it to four conference champions. You've got the Pac12, Big XII, Big Ten, ACC, SEC, and Big East as automatic qualifiers now, and I can't see them eliminating any of them (Maybe the Big East, but that still leaves five conferences). But you're definitely right about it possibly being bad for ND, especially if we remain mediocre. I'm sure for the first few years, ND will be included in the talks, but if we don't break out of this slump, it won't be long before ND doesn't have a say in these postseason talks.

 

[phork]

If it does, you knew this day was coming.

 

[military_irish]

If it goes to four game playoff I believe that also opens up the door for super conferences. Which college football seemed to be heading that way last summer until Texas did an about turn on the idea.

Unless they put a claus in to help ND. Then ND will definitely have to join a conference if it ever wants to win a championship again.

 

[returnofthemack]

If it goes to four game playoff I believe that also opens up the door for super conferences. Which college football seemed to be heading that way last summer until Texas did an about turn on the idea.

Unless they put a claus in to help ND. Then ND will definitely have to join a conference if it ever wants to win a championship again.

You're absolutely right. I didn't even think of super-conferences, but that would be the way to do it. And in that case, it would be absolutely unfeasible for ND to remain independent.

 

[GowerND11]

If they do this what becomes of the non-BCS conferences? I know that the odds of a team from these conferences playing in, let alone winning, the championship are great, but this would essential great an even bigger gap in Division 1A(FBS). This would either force all teams into the super conferences (picture Louisianna Monroe in the same division as Alabama and LSU), or it could result in a split of division one into 3 different sections.

As others have mentioned this could become a serious problem for Notre Dame in the future in maintaining an independent status.

 

[DSully1995]

I am nearly positive that they will include an at-large claus(sp?),if only to please the SEC, since they have of recent years produced the best teams. I want to know what the SEC commish has to say, most likely theyll be a way for a ND type at-large or a deserving second conference team to join.

 

[military_irish]

I am nearly positive that they will include an at-large claus(sp?),if only to please the SEC, since they have of recent years produced the best teams. I want to know what the SEC commish has to say, most likely theyll be a way for a ND type at-large or a deserving second conference team to join.

This is what the article says about that situation.

All controversies won't be settled by a four-team playoff, but the volume of the arguments will be turned down considerably. Those who want to yell that the third-best team in the SEC is better than the conference champion in the Big East are still free to make that argument, but the answer is simple: Just play better. Win your conference and all your problems will be solved. Your fate will be in your hands.

 

[DSully1995]

Ill wait for official word on that and how the SEC should ''just play better'', still doubt itll happen personnally.

 

[phork]

Super conferences would wind up being 4 conferences of 16 teams each. The fringe teams would be on the outside looking in.

 

[tadman95]

Super conferences would wind up being 4 conferences of 16 teams each. The fringe teams would be on the outside looking in.

I think if they try to do that there will be lawsuits, even Congress getting involved. IMO

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I think if they try to do that there will be lawsuits, even Congress getting involved. IMO

Until those 64 teams leave the NCAA or they make it a whole different division so there is a 1-A, 1-AA, and 1-AAA.

 

[kmoose]

Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott summed up the thinking after the meeting, telling The New York Times: "So much of the passion of a move to a playoff is to see it earned on the field. What more clear way to have intellectual consistency with the idea of a playoff than to earn it as a conference champion? It would de-emphasize the highly subjective polls that are based on a coach and media voting and a few computers."

I don't recall there being much of an outcry about the "subjective polls", from the PAC-10 in 2003, when USC was ranked #1 in the final AP poll, despite not even having played in the BCS Championship game? I guess the "subjectiveness" of those polls is only negative, when the voting goes against your interests.

The even larger problem with this idea is:

If you take only conference winners; what are you going to do when one team wins Conference A with an 8-4 record, while the second place team in Conference B goes 11-1? The 11-1 team gets shut out of the playoffs, while the 8-4 team gets in? People will be apoplectic............just like they are now. You will gain nothing.

 

[woolybug25]

They will not leave out any teams. Nothing in that article makes me think that. I think you guys are getting a little chicken-little on this.

They are not going to squeeze 119 teams into 4 superconferences. Which is what they would have to do if they didn't want a massive issue.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Taking the top 4 teams just based on rankings or even the same BCS ratings would be fine I think.

 

[phork]

There is too much junk in D1A, the fact is there really is the have and have nots in D1A. The fact that there is 35 bowls and teams bordering on sub .500 records getting in to these is reason enough to make the cut.

When the dust settles you will see 4 super conferences comprising of 16 teams each, the rest of the FBS will be known as FBS Tier2. You can talk all you like about teams filing lawsuits etc, but the truth is that the MAC will not ever be in a BCS championship game, nor will the bastardized MWC/Conference USA, hell even the BigEast.

It is coming, grab your ankles and hold on for the ride.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Add us to the ACC right now and we'd make 13. Depending on who the other three teams would be I'd say we'd run that sh*t.. If we're forced into the move I hope for it to be that way. It would be one sick b-ball conference too.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I can't see 4 superconferences happening with what has been going on with the Big 12. 5 would make more sense.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Add us to the ACC right now and we'd make 13. Depending on who the other three teams would be I'd say we'd run that sh*t.. If we're forced into the move I hope for it to be that way. It would be one sick b-ball conference too.

15. Pitt and Syracuse are joining the ACC.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

15. Pitt and Syracuse are joining the ACC.

There it is.. We'd be in the playoff picture every year IMO.

 

[IrishLax]

There it is.. We'd be in the playoff picture every year IMO.

Yup, UCONN would probably be #16 then. We'd have all of our traditional other sport rivals from the Big East plus some football rivals like Boston College and would get to play USC every year out of conference.

This is why I've strongly advocated joining the ACC for a very long time.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Yup, UCONN would probably be #16 then. We'd have all of our traditional other sport rivals from the Big East plus some football rivals like Boston College and would get to play USC every year out of conference.

This is why I've strongly advocated joining the ACC for a very long time.

Agreed. Recruiting wise it would be the best scenario as well. We're already prevalent in the Cal, Ohio and NY/NJ areas. Being in the ACC could help really open up the Georgia, Maryland, Virginia and possibly Alabama pipelines. We're already firm in NC.

 

[pumpdog20]

I prefer the Big Ten.

 

[NDhoosier]

I prefer Independence, that is Notre Dame's calling card. If for some reason the college football landscape explodes and ND is absolutely forced (I mean forced or they cant play in the Title Game) they should join the ACC, Big 10 is a possibility, but I think the ACC would help ND as long as they can still play Michigan and U$C every year.

Still, Notre Dame should remain Independent first and foremost.

 

[kmoose]

Add us to the ACC right now and we'd make 13. Depending on who the other three teams would be I'd say we'd run that sh*t.. If we're forced into the move I hope for it to be that way. It would be one sick b-ball conference too.

IF the football superconferences come about, I would imagine that they will be for football only. I think the basketball side of the NCAA is reasonably happy with their tournament, and the draw of the "cinderella" teams.

 

[irish1958]

I can't recall any eventual national champion coming from below #8 in the before bowl game rankings. This would make for a valid 8 team playoff.
The problem is that ESPN and TV want the 16 team super conferences with the conference championships and then the 4 team playoff.

All the teams in major college football could be accommodated with 7 super conferences and one group of independents, or a similar setup, if we went with an eight team playoff. The regular season could be reduced to ten (or eleven) games so the objection of the college presidents to too long a season could be met.
Ideally the playoff games would be held on the campus of the higher ranked team. Pairings would be 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5. The bowl games would get the losers.
That's my plan, anyway.

 

[DillonHall]

I prefer the Big Ten.

The Big Ten has much better football programs.

 

[johnnykillz]

Yup, UCONN would probably be #16 then. We'd have all of our traditional other sport rivals from the Big East plus some football rivals like Boston College and would get to play USC every year out of conference.

This is why I've strongly advocated joining the ACC for a very long time.

Strong points

I prefer the Big Ten.

I do as well, give. Our hand was forced.

The Big Ten has much better football programs.

They do, and they also have some of our greater traditional rivals, IMO. I could do without BC better than MSU and UM.

I would miss Navy; I would also miss USC, just not not in the last ten years...