2012 NCAA Lacrosse Open Thread

[IrishLax]

Title says it all, general lacrosse talk for anyone who cares goes here......

 

[Irish Fam]

I want to post in here just because I enjoy a good laugh at Michigan. So.... lol @ Michigan, hahaha @ Michigan, lmao @ Michigan, and rofl @ Michigan

 

[Wolverine1997]

Title says it all, general lacrosse talk for anyone who cares goes here......

but the real reason why I'm starting this thread is to LOL at Michigan who is getting beat 13-9 by super crappy and 0-2 Detroit Mercy.

This would be like Notre Dame getting beat by the Holy Cross club team.

And you want to know how much of a joke Michigan lacrosse/Wolverine1997 are? This is the inaugural game of their program and they couldn't even get someone to live blog the game. Pathetic. Sad. Disappointing.

For referrence, first year program Jacksonville (Go Dolphins!) started off their program with a win over #9 Denver in 2010 in their first couple games... and first year program Bryant (Go Bulldogs!) went a healthy 10-5 in their first season of play in 2009. MCLA "powerhouse" Michigan is getting handled by Little Little Brother (yes, even more little than Michigan State).

As I said in the earlier thread (which has since been locked for good reason) they have a bad coach, they just don't know it yet. The man has never spent a day around big time lacrosse and has no idea what he's doing. Nice move Dave Brandon.

Did you really think that Michigan was going to continue to destroy teams like they have the past three plus years?

This season is going to very, very rough. It's a club team transitioning to varsity. I'm calling a win right now against mercer and a win at home against bellarmine.

It's not going to be pretty for a couple of years, but I believe this program will become a power someday. Not anytime soon, but in the future.

I was actually at the game in Pontiac. It was Michigan up 3-2 after one, and tied 5-5 at halftime. The detroiters outscored Michigan 8-4 in the second half. Michigan played pretty well. I expected something like this today but I'm actually pleased with today.

The game was basically a detroit home game. Had to buy tickets through them, detroit wore their home jerseys. The crowd was about 60% red & blue and 40% Maize and Blue. Not an excuse since Michigan has played in tougher environments than that.

The schedule doesn't get much easier. Next week Michigan travels to #17 penn state who just lost a pretty good neutral site game against #6 north carolina. Michigan will play the tar heels in their season finale.

Doug Bryant scored the first ever official Michigan Lacrosse goal at 10:09 of the first quarter. History was made today. And I'm proud of the boys!

I enjoyed talking lacrosse with you so I could get a sense of how some of the teams on Michigan's schedule are since I'm new to NCAA-level lacrosse. Also I don't appreciate the shot at me, but I expect it. It makes me smile.

 

[OchoShayneO]

ND Lax, pumped about this thread. on a side note I use coach Byrnes drills all the time with my guys. Big fan.

Michigan had to hire the old club coach. He worked hard fundraising and pushing for the program, so IMO he kinda deserved the first shot. What this really shows is the difference between varsity and club ball. Over half the team is club players. Michigan is getting some good recruits, especially the Cali kids. What will be interesting to see is if Marquette emerges as a competitive team before Michigan.

 

[cbrinks5]

Nick Beattie is a stud. Worthington, Ohio product!!!!!!!!!1

 

[clashmore_mike]

The game was basically a detroit home game. Had to buy tickets through them, detroit wore their home jerseys. The crowd was about 60% red & blue and 40% Maize and Blue. Not an excuse since Michigan has played in tougher environments than that.

Saw a tweet earlier that there was an estimated 1800 people there. Not a tough environment at all for Michigan.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Saw a tweet earlier that there was an estimated 1800 people there. Not a tough environment at all for Michigan.

Yep. Ultimate Soccer Arena only holds that much and it was sold out. Michigan has played in much tougher places than that.

 

[IrishLax]

Did you really think that Michigan was going to continue to destroy teams like they have the past three plus years?

This season is going to very, very rough. It's a club team transitioning to varsity. I'm calling a win right now against mercer and a win at home against bellarmine.

It's not going to be pretty for a couple of years, but I believe this program will become a power someday. Not anytime soon, but in the future.

I was actually at the game in Pontiac. It was Michigan up 3-2 after one, and tied 5-5 at halftime. The detroiters outscored Michigan 8-4 in the second half. Michigan played pretty well. I expected something like this today but I'm actually pleased with today.

The game was basically a detroit home game. Had to buy tickets through them, detroit wore their home jerseys. The crowd was about 60% red & blue and 40% Maize and Blue. Not an excuse since Michigan has played in tougher environments than that.

The schedule doesn't get much easier. Next week Michigan travels to #17 penn state who just lost a pretty good neutral site game against #6 north carolina. Michigan will play the tar heels in their season finale.

Doug Bryant scored the first ever official Michigan Lacrosse goal at 10:09 of the first quarter. History was made today. And I'm proud of the boys!

I enjoyed talking lacrosse with you so I could get a sense of how some of the teams on Michigan's schedule are since I'm new to NCAA-level lacrosse. Also I don't appreciate the shot at me, but I expect it. It makes me smile.

Heh damn right you have to expect ribbing coming on a Notre Dame board and posting something about Michigan!!!! I know, it's childish to needle people and take shots... but it's also fun Especially when our football team gives us very little to talk trash about.

I honestly wonder if Brandon is aiming to keep Paul for 2-4 years while he continually tests the waters for a big time coach like Pressler or Cottle or even a big time assistant (like Gerry Byrne from ND... the man is a defensive genius) who he will then hire to try to bring the team up to the next level. It's just never going to get there under Paul. He doesn't have the pedigree or experience or roots needed to make this team consistently competitive.

Also, I didn't get to watch the game because (sadly) the live feed was pay-per-view. How ridiculous is that?

 

[Wolverine1997]

Heh damn right you have to expect ribbing coming on a Notre Dame board and posting something about Michigan!!!! I know, it's childish to needle people and take shots... but it's also fun Especially when our football team gives us very little to talk trash about.

I honestly wonder if Brandon is aiming to keep Paul for 2-4 years while he continually tests the waters for a big time coach like Pressler or Cottle or even a big time assistant (like Gerry Byrne from ND... the man is a defensive genius) who he will then hire to try to bring the team up to the next level. It's just never going to get there under Paul. He doesn't have the pedigree or experience or roots needed to make this team consistently competitive.

Also, I didn't get to watch the game because (sadly) the live feed was pay-per-view. How ridiculous is that?

I heard about the live feed. It was through the detroit website apparently. The city of detroit has to find money somehow

Michigan is not going to win too many games this year. I hope I'm wrong of course, but that's just how I see it. Growing pains. But if they don't "up" the win total in 2013, I think Dave Brandon would start looking around quietly. He does not like to lose. Love the guy though, best athletic director here since Don Canham IMO.

Dave Brandon was at the lacrosse game today. This program is like his baby. He has the confidence that the Michigan brand will attract kids to come play for Michigan. Not just the brand, but the fact plans are in development for a lacrosse-only indoor stadium with weight rooms and other lacrosse facilities included is a nice recruiting tool too. Until then, the home field for the team is Michigan Stadium with the exhibitions and early March game at Oostberbaan Field House.

I do think Dave gave Johnny P the job due to the years of success under him. Also the fact that he built Michigan into a juggernaut at the club level, so he would at least give him a chance to see what he can do at the NCAA level.

 

[IrishLax]

Looks like Boston is adding DI lacrosse. Pretty interesting to see... there is a lot of talent in the New England area now and days. I'm a bit surprised to see the Terriers adding a program before BC though... although, Title IX makes it damn near impossible for BCS football schools to add a men's lacrosse program unless they have oodles of cash lying around to also add a women's program of some sort. It's really sad that there are 50% more women's DI programs even though less than half as many women play HS lacrosse. 4:1 ratio of imbalance because of an outdated rule.... sad....

Sources: Boston University to Announce Addition of DI Men's Lacrosse | InsideLacrosse.com

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Looks like Boston is adding DI lacrosse. Pretty interesting to see... there is a lot of talent in the New England area now and days. I'm a bit surprised to see the Terriers adding a program before BC though... although, Title IX makes it damn near impossible for BCS football schools to add a men's lacrosse program unless they have oodles of cash lying around to also add a women's program of some sort. It's really sad that there are 50% more women's DI programs even though less than half as many women play HS lacrosse. 4:1 ratio of imbalance because of an outdated rule.... sad....

Sources: Boston University to Announce Addition of DI Men's Lacrosse | InsideLacrosse.com

Ton of talent in the North East!

 

[Wolverine1997]

Does the USILA coaches poll come out every week? I thought it would be up today with new rankings?

Also, which is the more credible or the poll that most people go by? Is it the coaches poll or Inside Lacrosse?

I'm new to the whole NCAA rankings thing

 

[IrishLax]

Does the USILA coaches poll come out every week? I thought it would be up today with new rankings?

Also, which is the more credible or the poll that most people go by? Is it the coaches poll or Inside Lacrosse?

I'm new to the whole NCAA rankings thing

The Nike/IL Media Poll > USILA Coaches Poll. If memory serves me correctly you can expect new polls on Tuesday of each week. Laxpower.com also has some very good power rankings that auto-update. They don't get accurate until roughly half way into the season though.

I also personally like Quint's poll as a power rankings of sorts. I know Quint through my post-grad part time writing for IL, ESPN, and some other publications and the man has done an awful lot to help the growth of the sport. He catches a lot of flack, but he is probably the most objective and informed "voter" out there even if you disagree with him.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Big Ten men’s lacrosse programs establish Creator’s Trophy | GantDaily.com

 

[Wolverine1997]

Michigan lost to #17 penn state today, 16-9 on the road.

Michigan was only down 4-2 at halftime but things fell apart in the 3rd like last week.

Michigan goes to #5 denver next weekend (gulp). They will play two games in a row.

Saturday at #5 Denver 11:30am EST start time
Sunday against Air Force (Neutral site game at Barton Lacrosse Stadium in Denver) 9am EST start time.

I'm glad Michigan did not give up today. They easily could have but they kept fighting back and put up 9. This is going to be a very long season if the boys don't play ALL 4 quarters.

 

[johnnykillz]

Michigan lost to #17 penn state today, 16-9 on the road.

Michigan was only down 4-2 at halftime but things fell apart in the 3rd like last week.

Michigan goes to #5 denver next weekend (gulp). They will play two games in a row.

Saturday at #5 Denver 11:30am EST start time
Sunday against Air Force (Neutral site game at Barton Lacrosse Stadium in Denver) 9am EST start time.

I'm glad Michigan did not give up today. They easily could have but they kept fighting back and put up 9. This is going to be a very long season if the boys don't play ALL 4 quarters.

We just got done destroying #1 Duke ourselves...

Go Irish!

 

[IrishLax]

Michigan lost to #17 penn state today, 16-9 on the road.

Michigan was only down 4-2 at halftime but things fell apart in the 3rd like last week.

Remember what I said in the other thread saying that the biggest thing Paul will struggle with is the in-game gameplan adjustments after both teams tip their hand? That's the difference between a seasoned coach like Tambroni and Paul. After thinking about it more, I actually really REALLY hope Paul succeeds... because I think it's good that he is getting a shot after building the program to the level where it was feasible to go DI. I think he definitely earned it and I like to see guys like that succeed... unlike the Dom Starsias and Joe Breschis of the world.

All things considered, that's a petty good performance for on the road against a good penn state team... even if the final scoreline wasn't great.

Michigan goes to #5 denver next weekend (gulp). They will play two games in a row.

Saturday at #5 Denver 11:30am EST start time
Sunday against Air Force (Neutral site game at Barton Lacrosse Stadium in Denver) 9am EST start time.

You guys will get destroyed by Denver. ND might even get destroyed by Denver this year LOL. I watched them against Team USA while ND was down in Florida and also scrimmaged Team USA.... the bottom line is that Denver's offense is unreal. Just such incredible finesse and shooting and ball movement. It's a machine. Their defense sucks, but their goalie is very legit too... so I wish you luck. And the altitude change is no joke. You might be Air Force. ND absolutely destroyed Air Force in a scrimmage this past fall... they lack athleticism and you can push them into bad situations by throwing effort and hardwork at them.

I'm glad Michigan did not give up today. They easily could have but they kept fighting back and put up 9. This is going to be a very long season if the boys don't play ALL 4 quarters.

It's going to be a growing process no matter what way you slice it. But that's very impressive to put up 9 on a good Penn State team. Austin Kaut is no joke in goal.

 

[Wolverine1997]

We just got done destroying #1 Duke ourselves...

Go Irish!

I saw the score. You guys manhandled them. Shocked to see ND hold them to 3 goals.

I think the logo on ND's lax field. Looks sharp how it's gold with the blue outline. If you get turf at ND stadium, they should but that design at midfield.

 

[Wolverine1997]

WOW. Right now ohio is beating #5 denver 10-8 in the 4th quarter. The game in on your network. NBC Sports.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Time is ticking away, ohio leads denver 10-8 with less than 6 minutes left.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Wow. ohio upsets denver, 10-9.

There should be a shot clock or something in college lacrosse. It was cheap how ohio held onto the ball for some five minutes just killing time.

 

[johnnykillz]

I saw the score. You guys manhandled them. Shocked to see ND hold them to 3 goals.

I think the logo on ND's lax field. Looks sharp how it's gold with the blue outline. If you get turf at ND stadium, they should but that design at midfield.

Maybe once the dinosaurs have moved on...



They have really acute vision as well, so no need for jumbotrons exist until we've extinct the ND T-Rexes.

 

[IrishLax]

Wow. ohio upsets denver, 10-9.

There should be a shot clock or something in college lacrosse. It was cheap how ohio held onto the ball for some five minutes just killing time.

Wow!

I can't believe I didn't watch this game..... I honestly thought Denver would tool them. Can you give me a recap of what happened? A lot of stall ball by Ohio State? Was it in Denver or Ohio?

I honestly thought Ohio State would be pretty down this year after Schuss transferred... I guess we'll see. Not surprised OSU put up 10 goals but I'm VERY surprised Denver only put up 9.

 

[IrishLax]

So the other takeaway from this is that ND should likely be top 4 in the next round of polls. UVa will hang on to #1 most likely despite being seriously overrated and almost losing to Drexel. Hopkins and Cornell should both stay in the #2/#3 range because idiots think Hopkins is good (they aren't... they looked AWFUL all fall) and Cornell is legit. So then the #4 team will either be UNC or ND because ND should certainly jump Syracuse and Maryland at this point

 

[Wolverine1997]

Maybe once the dinosaurs have moved on...



They have really acute vision as well, so no need for jumbotrons exist until we've extinct the ND T-Rexes.

Yeah you guys desperately need a video board. The last time I was there I kept looking at the scoreboard for when people were getting up in the aisle so I could see the game but then I realized there was no screen.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Wow!

I can't believe I didn't watch this game..... I honestly thought Denver would tool them. Can you give me a recap of what happened? A lot of stall ball by Ohio State? Was it in Denver or Ohio?

I honestly thought Ohio State would be pretty down this year after Schuss transferred... I guess we'll see. Not surprised OSU put up 10 goals but I'm VERY surprised Denver only put up 9.

The game was a neutral site game in Jacksonville at EverBank Stadium. First game of a doubleheader. Jacksonville is taking it to Navy right now, 10-4.

ohio came out in the second half and just took it to denver. They took at 2 goal lead, 10-8, with under :05 left in the 3rd. They maintained that practically the entire 4th quarter.

They must have had possession for about 75% of the 4th quarter. They just kept passing the ball back and forth behind denver's cage. The announcers were complaining about how there should be a shot clock and denver's coach said "This is what people have been complaining about" in the postgame interview when asked about ohio hanging onto the ball.

This was denver's first game, maybe it was just rust.

I'm scared for next weekend. denver's next opponent: Michigan. They're gonna be pissed. Hopefully Michigan can make it a game for awhile like this past Saturday.

 

[returnofthemack]

.

 

[returnofthemack]

.

 

[Wolverine1997]

We don't "desperately need" anything. I would like a jumbotron, but I'm fine if we don't get one. And I sure as hell don't want any logos on the field - it takes away from its simplistic beauty and tradition. You wouldn't understand anything about that, being a scUM fan.

I'm sorry the University of Michigan doesn't like to live in the 1960s. Get with the times. Most of the ND fans on here seem to displeased with the people who are against the big videoboards and FieldTurf.

 

[returnofthemack]

.