'12 IL WR Jordan Westerkamp (Nebraska Verbal)

[IrishInFl]

NYMIKE: how many vbucks would it take for you to change your avatar? That has to be the grossest thing I've ever seen. I can't read your posts because I can see your avatar in my peripheral vision and it is going to make me physically ill.

Go to tubgirl . com. You'll change your mind.

 

[t3hjc]

Ran a 4.51 40 yard dash at the NFL combine. I wouldn't say he is a speed guy. Tedd Ginn, Hayword-Bay, Torey Smith, Mike Wallace those are speed guys.

Nelson's been clocked in the high 4.3-4.4 range. He torched people in college. He's not a on the level of the elite guys you mentioned as far as being a burner goes, but he has great top end speed.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The Wes Welker reference was one which was apparently deleted in another thread having just checked. Someone got PO'd because every white receiver gets compared to him so knowing that Westerkamp is white, I decided to go back to my ace in the hole. He's nothing like Welker, really. He's more of an outside talent who may end up inside depending on playing time. Just having some fun.

 

[jmurphy75]

The Wes Welker reference was one which was apparently deleted in another thread having just checked. Someone got PO'd because every white receiver gets compared to him so knowing that Westerkamp is white, I decided to go back to my ace in the hole. He's nothing like Welker, really. He's more of an outside talent who may end up inside depending on playing time. Just having some fun.

I like what you did there

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The Wes Welker reference was one which was apparently deleted in another thread having just checked. Someone got PO'd because every white receiver gets compared to him so knowing that Westerkamp is white, I decided to go back to my ace in the hole. He's nothing like Welker, really. He's more of an outside talent who may end up inside depending on playing time. Just having some fun.

 

[NYMIKE6]

NYMIKE: how many vbucks would it take for you to change your avatar? That has to be the grossest thing I've ever seen. I can't read your posts because I can see your avatar in my peripheral vision and it is going to make me physically ill.

100 cool ones friend make sure the comma comes after the first hundred not decimal....

 

[4irishnation]

Go to tubgirl . com. You'll change your mind.

Saw it 2 years ago and haven't been right since. YOU WIN!!!!!!!!

 

[IrishLax]

agree to disagree my friend. sorry you don't see it the way i do.

Westerkamp is rangy long strider that can out jump competition and line-up inside and out.
Now i can see if you say Neal reminds you of Welker the similarities would be obvious.

The reason I disagree (and respectfully because you clearly are thinking this through, unlike rocket31) is because watching Wesssterkamp's film from 2010 and 2011 his best traits seem to be his hands and his route running. He is not a burner by any means and seems to be a "deep threat" in HS more because of the competition than his skill set.

Jordy Nelson is 6'3", Westerkamp is 6'1", Welker is 5'11" so height comparisons are a bit irrelevant. The bottom line is that Nelson makes his living getting downfield and making plays, whereas a guy like Welker makes his living making catches all over the field and being sure handed. I don't see how Westerkamp translates into a home run style player but I do see how he translates into a Mr. Reliable.

Has literally nothing at all to do with skin color.

 

[NYMIKE6]

The reason I disagree (and respectfully because you clearly are thinking this through, unlike rocket31) is because watching Wesssterkamp's film from 2010 and 2011 his best traits seem to be his hands and his route running. He is not a burner by any means and seems to be a "deep threat" in HS more because of the competition than his skill set.

Jordy Nelson is 6'3", Westerkamp is 6'1", Welker is 5'11" so height comparisons are a bit irrelevant. The bottom line is that Nelson makes his living getting downfield and making plays, whereas a guy like Welker makes his living making catches all over the field and being sure handed. I don't see how Westerkamp translates into a home run style player but I do see how he translates into a Mr. Reliable.

Has literally nothing at all to do with skin color.

I like that "Mr. Reliable". Well then this raises the question can you and i find a more compatible comparison for Mr Westerkamp?
I will do some serious homework and get back to you.... And thanks for the discussion. I can really dig a educated football debate.

 

[TerryTate]

Taller Tai-ler Jones

 

[IrishLax]

I like that "Mr. Reliable". Well then this raises the question can you and i find a more compatible comparison for Mr Westerkamp?
I will do some serious homework and get back to you.... And thanks for the discussion. I can really dig a educated football debate.

What do you think of a comparison to Brandon Stokley of the Ravens/Colts/Broncos? He's a guy that isn't a burner but was capable of making catches all over the field and in traffic, but wasn't a superior athlete 6' tall to Jordan's 6'1". Stokley typically lined up in the slot but had the ability to get deep from that position as well as play outside at times for team not named the Indianapolis Colts. Never had to with the Colts because they had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in those roles.

I also think he is very comparable to Davone Bess of the Miami Dolphins on many levels but Westerkamp has a solid 3 inches on Bess which makes him much more capable of playing outside than Bess is. But the rest of their game, at least what we can see of Jordan right now, appears similar.

 

[irishog77]

What do you think of a comparison to Brandon Stokley of the Ravens/Colts/Broncos? He's a guy that isn't a burner but was capable of making catches all over the field and in traffic, but wasn't a superior athlete 6' tall to Jordan's 6'1". Stokley typically lined up in the slot but had the ability to get deep from that position as well as play outside at times for team not named the Indianapolis Colts. Never had to with the Colts because they had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in those roles.

I also think he is very comparable to Davone Bess of the Miami Dolphins on many levels but Westerkamp has a solid 3 inches on Bess which makes him much more capable of playing outside than Bess is. But the rest of their game, at least what we can see of Jordan right now, appears similar.

How bout Derrick Mason? He's a 5'11"-6'0 guy, cut his teeth as a return man extradonaire, became prolific as a slot guy, then, as he got older, became a reliable, dependable possession receiver. In other words, he was able to be good inside and out, open field and in tight spaces/coverages.

Plus-- I like being able to compare Jordan not just to other white receivers. Haha!

 

[Irish Fam]

Wes Welker comparisons? you guys are racists

 

[Irish Fam]

The Wes Welker reference was one which was apparently deleted in another thread having just checked. Someone got PO'd because every white receiver gets compared to him so knowing that Westerkamp is white, I decided to go back to my ace in the hole. He's nothing like Welker, really. He's more of an outside talent who may end up inside depending on playing time. Just having some fun.

I said I hated how every white reciever was compared to him, but I don't know why it was deleted. I definitely wasn't "PO'd", just didn't understand the comparison...

 

[NYMIKE6]

What do you think of a comparison to Brandon Stokley of the Ravens/Colts/Broncos? He's a guy that isn't a burner but was capable of making catches all over the field and in traffic, but wasn't a superior athlete 6' tall to Jordan's 6'1". Stokley typically lined up in the slot but had the ability to get deep from that position as well as play outside at times for team not named the Indianapolis Colts. Never had to with the Colts because they had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in those roles.

I also think he is very comparable to Davone Bess of the Miami Dolphins on many levels but Westerkamp has a solid 3 inches on Bess which makes him much more capable of playing outside than Bess is. But the rest of their game, at least what we can see of Jordan right now, appears similar.

Still thinking about this at 5:20-woke up to let the dog out for those wondering. And it hit me....Going to take you back quite a few years and don't hate on me for bringing an OSU alumni into the conversation but how about Chris Carter from the old buckeye days? not extremely fast but extremely tough going across the middle, arguably the best hands in football, can go up and snatch the ball. Ok Stokley im sold on now that i thought about it going back to bed....

 

[IrishLax]

I said I hated how every white reciever was compared to him, but I don't know why it was deleted. I definitely wasn't "PO'd", just didn't understand the comparison...

What, specifically, about the comparison do you not understand?

The only difference I see between Welker and Westerkamp is that Welker shows better lateral agility and "moves" after the catch. Seriously, go pull up some Texas Tech Wes Welker highlights, watch them, and then please let me know what else you think doesn't fit because I'm legitimately curious.

But comparing a great route runner with good hands to a great route runner with good hands doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

 

[Rhode Irish]

BTW, Lax, I do actually agree with you on the Welker comp. Wes makes a living on running precise routes and catching everything that is near him. Obviously we only see the best of these kids on their highlight videos, but I thought I saw some of that from Jordan. Seems like he is a very tough cover; not a lot of wasted motion in his running.

 

[Irish Fam]

What, specifically, about the comparison do you not understand?

The only difference I see between Welker and Westerkamp is that Welker shows better lateral agility and "moves" after the catch. Seriously, go pull up some Texas Tech Wes Welker highlights, watch them, and then please let me know what else you think doesn't fit because I'm legitimately curious.

But comparing a great route runner with good hands to a great route runner with good hands doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

Jordan does a much better job of stretching the field. He also goes up and gets the ball better than Wes. Wes specializes in shorter routes and running after the catch. They both run crisp routes. Jordan runs mostly posts and flags where Wes mainly runs drags and slants.

I guess I just think there are better comparisons out there.

 

[woolybug25]

Well, we had a nice little run before we were deleted. Sorry mods :smilewink

Back to Jordan...

Tight... Tony Banta made the cut.


Honestly, how big of a need would Westerkamp fill? Someone convince me.

 

[irishog77]

Tight... Tony Banta made the cut.


Honestly, how big of a need would Westerkamp fill? Someone convince me.

I like him and think he's a legit talent, but I'm kind of with you, Wooly.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Honestly, how big of a need would Westerkamp fill? Someone convince me.

I like him and think he's a legit talent, but I'm kind of with you, Wooly.

Slot WR for 2012 is Toma, Farley, ???. Westerkamp is a legit 4 talent and a better fit for the Z than any of our current verbals.

 

[woolybug25]

Dang it. They cut Tony Banta...

Slot WR for 2012 is Toma, Farley, ???. Westerkamp is a legit 4 talent and a better fit for the Z than any of our current verbals.

With solid RB play, Theo could move back to slot. Same for Cam McDaniel. Agholar and Neal would both project to slot as well. I mean, with any sure handed, quick, 6'er being an option at the position, how deep do you really need to be at slot receiver?

 

[rtrn2glory]

after reading the ISD article i'd be very surprised if he wasn't irish. all the chatter from his high school coach just really pointed to that. if we show him the love over the next few weeks we'll have ourselves a very solid receiver.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

With solid RB play, Theo could move back to slot. Same for Cam McDaniel. Agholar and Neal would both project to slot as well. I mean, with any sure handed, quick, 6'er being an option at the position, how deep do you really need to be at slot receiver?

I didn't say it was a strong argument, but that's it.

We need 5 WRs in this class for ideal 2012 depth of 12. Westerkamp is a solid 4 who could play inside or outside. Sign him up.

 

[woolybug25]

I didn't say it was a strong argument, but that's it.

We need 5 WRs in this class for ideal 2012 depth of 12. Westerkamp is a solid 4 who could play inside or outside. Sign him up.

True. I guess WR is different than other positions, in the sense that getting one prospect usually doesn't effect your chances with other ones. If I could look into a crystal ball though, and I saw his commitment driving away Agholor or Neal, then I would be pissed.

But overall, he is a solid pick up.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Jordan does a much better job of stretching the field. He also goes up and gets the ball better than Wes. Wes specializes in shorter routes and running after the catch. They both run crisp routes. Jordan runs mostly posts and flags where Wes mainly runs drags and slants.

I guess I just think there are better comparisons out there.

I think you have to adjust the comparison to account for the fact that what you know of Welker is based on watching him in the NFL, versus seeing Jordan's highlights against mediocre high school competition. I know Jordan made some plays down the field in high school. Still, it is much easier for me to see Jordan being a guy that gets a lot of stuff underneath and in the middle of the field and getting his yardage after the catch than it is for me to see him being a stretch-the-field, throw-it-up-and-he'll-get-it type of player. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that is why I think the Welker comp is pretty good.

 

[irishog77]

Slot WR for 2012 is Toma, Farley, ???. Westerkamp is a legit 4 talent and a better fit for the Z than any of our current verbals.

I didn't say it was a strong argument, but that's it.

We need 5 WRs in this class for ideal 2012 depth of 12. Westerkamp is a solid 4 who could play inside or outside. Sign him up.

True. I guess WR is different than other positions, in the sense that getting one prospect usually doesn't effect your chances with other ones. If I could look into a crystal ball though, and I saw his commitment driving away Agholor or Neal, then I would be pissed.

But overall, he is a solid pick up.

Fair enough, Whiskey. I like Jordan as a player, but not at the expense of possibly not getting Neal or Agholor. I have no idea, now, how Devin Fuller may fit into the whole recruiting equation either.

Hypothetical here: what if JW comes on board, then Neal and Agholor want to join the party too? Does the staff say yes to both? And even though their DB's (but still probably fit into BK's "skill" category), what if Wright and Shumate want in on the action too? Do they both get a spot? Garnett, Ifeadi, and Armstead? I guess maybe I'm asking where does JW fall on the list compared to other potential recruits when wrapping up the last few spots?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Fair enough, Whiskey. I like Jordan as a player, but not at the expense of possibly not getting Neal or Agholor. I have no idea, now, how Devin Fuller may fit into the whole recruiting equation either.

I have a hard time seeing Agholor or Neal getting scared off by Westerkamp, but that's pure speculation on my part.

Hypothetical here: what if JW comes on board, then Neal and Agholor want to join the party too? Does the staff say yes to both? And even though their DB's (but still probably fit into BK's "skill" category), what if Wright and Shumate want in on the action too? Do they both get a spot? Garnett, Ifeadi, and Armstead? I guess maybe I'm asking where does JW fall on the list compared to other potential recruits when wrapping up the last few spots?

Westerkamp is definitely good enough to accept as our 4th 2012 WR. If we already had 4 on board, with the possibility of Neal and Agholor as the 5th? Maybe not then, but that's not the case.

After that, you listed a ton of elite guys we would probably take regardless of depth chart concerns as long as we had room. That would probably be a "last seat on the bus" situation.

 

[GBdomer]

Westerkamp= Julian Eldeman discussion is over.

 

[irishog77]

Westerkamp= Julian Eldeman discussion is over.

Lol! And we're off again...