More Ohio State Trouble

[Me2SouthBend]

I know you posted it in that Urban thread Me2SouthBend but the sanctions are expected to be announced TODAY at 3 est.

Most thing there will be a show cause for Tressel and no bowl ban.


Pathetic.

You're correct, I had my Tuesdays mixed up. Couldn't find this thread so I had thrown it in the other scumbag thread. Here's the link to the story I saw this a.m.

NCAA to announce Ohio State Buckeyes decision Tuesday - ESPN

"I just did a lot of research. I contacted people outside of Ohio State before I accepted the position and I wanted to hear from some trusted people that I have within the NCAA and other people who dealt directly with the NCAA," Meyer said. "It came back -- I wouldn't use the word 'assurance,' because who knows? -- but when you start talking about the overall integrity of the institution, it's a positive. There were some mistakes made that were serious. I haven't had any assurance about what's going to happen."

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Ohio St skates....1 yr bowl ban and 9 scholarships over 3 years. NCAA is full of crap, no balls. Had a feeling since Urban Meyer took the job, he probably knew the sanctions would be light.

 

[Sweetness34]

Ohio St skates....1 yr bowl ban and 9 scholarships over 3 years. NCAA is full of crap, no balls. Had a feeling since Urban Meyer took the job, he probably knew the sanctions would be light.

That's not skating. Skating would have been if dumb Gene Smith(AD) would have
self-imposed the bowl ban this year and they would have just received scholarship reductions. Now they are going to a crappy bowl and will be great next year and can't do anything with it. The punishment does fit the crime, don't let your love for ND cloud your judgement.

 

[NDbrbkny]

How long for a show cause of tressel

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Everyone was expecting a simple Show Cause for Tressel and very minor institutional sanctions.

A 1-year bowl ban and 3 scholarships per year for 3 years is serious. Still not proportionate to what USC got, but it's way more than I was expecting. People at OSU, Meyer included, are outraged.

The sad thing is that, for as draconian as USC's sanctions are, we've seen how effectively Kiffin is subverting them by using EEs and pushing out underperformers. Even though this penalty is far from a slap on the wrist, it won't break Meyer's stride at all.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

That's not skating. Skating would have been if dumb Gene Smith(AD) would have
self-imposed the bowl ban this year and they would have just received scholarship reductions. Now they are going to a crappy bowl and will be great next year and can't do anything with it. The punishment does fit the crime.

This is skating for Ohio St. They should have at least gotten what USC got or possibly worse. This is a win for Ohio St. Miami should get ten times what USC got but the NCAA simply does not have the balls to do it.

 

[Sweetness34]

Everyone was expecting a simple Show Cause for Tressel and very minor institutional sanctions.

A 1-year bowl ban and 3 scholarships per year for 3 years is serious. Still not proportionate to what USC got, but it's way more than I was expecting. People at OSU, Meyer included, are outraged.

The sad thing is that, for as draconian as USC's sanctions are, we've seen how effectively Kiffin is subverting them by using EEs and pushing out underperformers. Even though this penalty is far from a slap on the wrist, it won't break Meyer's stride at all.

+1

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Everyone was expecting a simple Show Cause for Tressel and very minor institutional sanctions.

A 1-year bowl ban and 3 scholarships per year for 3 years is serious. Still not proportionate to what USC got, but it's way more than I was expecting. People at OSU, Meyer included, are outraged.

The sad thing is that, for as draconian as USC's sanctions are, we've seen how effectively Kiffin is subverting them by using EEs and pushing out underperformers. Even though this penalty is far from a slap on the wrist, it won't break Meyer's stride at all.

And you know for a fact that Kiffin has shown everyone how to handle scholarship reductions. 3 scholarships a year is nothing.

 

[Anchorman]

Whiskey said it right. Some will say its too light, some too heavy. I'm satisfied. On the grand scale of things, they broke rules but they didn't hurt anyone nor was anything malicious. I'm not aware of any laws they broke.

Move on.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And you know for a fact that Kiffin has shown everyone how to handle scholarship reductions. 3 scholarships a year is nothing.

What's becoming clear is that the NCAA simply doesn't have the teeth to hold schools accountable, even when it wants to. At least the COI had the balls to hit OSU with real sanctions; the fact that those sanctions won't have any real effect isn't the NCAA's fault.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I am definitely suprised by the bowl ban.

Those biatches on the OSU boards are whining like babies. Ha!

 

[PANDFAN]

Ohio State received a one-year bowl ban in addition to an extra year of probation and the loss of additional scholarships in an NCAA Committee on Infractions report to be released later Tuesday, sources told The Columbus Dispatch and ESPN.

In addition, former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel will be saddled with a "show-cause" penalty, which will require any school that hires him to be subject to penalties unless it proves why it should escape sanctions.

The Dispatch, citing multiple sources, reported that Ohio State will not play in a bowl game in the 2012 season.

A source confirmed that to ESPN's Joe Schad, and added that the school is not likely to appeal the sanctions.

The NCAA report is due out at 3 p.m. ET.

The Dispatch also reported that Ohio State will lose four additional scholarships per year for the next three years. That's on top of the loss of five scholarships the school self-imposed. The NCAA also added a year of probation, meaning Ohio State will be subject to stiffer penalties for any repeated violations through the 2013 season.

 

[Yes]

How is this worse than what Miami did?

 

[NDinL.A.]

And you know for a fact that Kiffin has shown everyone how to handle scholarship reductions. 3 scholarships a year is nothing.

We don't know yet b/c Kiffin hasn't had to deal with them yet. He will starting this year. Who knows if his strategy will work out - in years 2 and 3 we'll know.

I'm on the side of they got off light, comparitively speaking. USC got hammered, and OSU got barely anything considering they were just as dirty if not more dirty than USC. I'm loving the bowl ban, but the scholly reductions are a joke...

 

[PANDFAN]

We don't know yet b/c Kiffin hasn't had to deal with them yet. He will starting this year. Who knows if his strategy will work out - in years 2 and 3 we'll know.

I'm on the side of they got off light, comparitively speaking. USC got hammered, and OSU got barely anything considering they were just as dirty if not more dirty than USC. I'm loving the bowl ban, but the scholly reductions are a joke...

how many did usc lose???

i thought osu losing 4 a year in addition to the 5 already was pretty good...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

slmandel via Twitter:

Committee opted not to impose longer ban after weighing "overall seriousness of the case in light of other recent major infractions cases"

Sounds like OSU benefitted big time from the Miami scandal.

how many did usc lose???

i thought osu losing 4 a year in addition to the 5 already was pretty good...

30 scholarships over 3 years (10 times as many as OSU), a 2-year bowl ban (twice as long), and roster maximum of 75 instead of 85.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

We don't know yet b/c Kiffin hasn't had to deal with them yet. He will starting this year. Who knows if his strategy will work out - in years 2 and 3 we'll know.

I'm on the side of they got off light, comparitively speaking. USC got hammered, and OSU got barely anything considering they were just as dirty if not more dirty than USC. I'm loving the bowl ban, but the scholly reductions are a joke...

I'm with you on this NDinLA

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

slmandel via Twitter:



Sounds like OSU benefitted big time from the Miami scandal.

I think UNC is gonna get nailed too. Butch Davis was a dirty as they come.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

slmandel via Twitter:

In reading the report, committee came down hard on OSU's failure to monitor booster Bobby G. That, more than tattoos, prob. caused bowl ban.

BFeldmanCBS via Twitter:

Jim Tressel officially hit with a five-year show cause order that likely ends his college coaching career.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Lots of chatter on Twitter about Gene Smith dropping the ball on not self-imposing a bowl ban this year. They likely would have dodged the 2012 bowl ban had he done that.

So a Gator Bowl appearance this year instead of a potential B1G title game and BCS bowl berth in 2012. Why does that guy still have a job?

 

[PLACforever]

Hypocrisy in action

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

I would have been happy with 15 scholarship reduction over the next 3 years. 3 a year is just a bit more than what Boise St got for players sleeping on the floor. Such bullcrap.

 

[woolybug25]

The NCAA is a joke, and this is more evidence to prove it. As others have posted, Kiffin has laid down the gameplan for any coach that gets sanctions in the future. The NCAA's punishment is going to hurt low level scholarship players (who will undoubtedly be moved out) more than any one else. When we have the Urban Meyer's of the world taking jobs at schools about to get sanctions, and not have to worry about it hurting him, then somethings wrong.

You want to punish coaches and universities? Hurt them in the pocket book. Punishment for these types of things should be monetary. A $10,000,000 fine would have hurt OSU more than this punishment, and it would have detered it from happening in the future as well. Does anybody honestly think that this type of punishment has any coach worried about how his program is being ran? Three schollies and a one year bowl ban?

Child please....

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

The NCAA is a joke, and this is more evidence to prove it. As others have posted, Kiffin has laid down the gameplan for any coach that gets sanctions in the future. The NCAA's punishment is going to hurt low level scholarship players (who will undoubtedly be moved out) more than any one else. When we have the Urban Meyer's of the world taking jobs at schools about to get sanctions, and not have to worry about it hurting him, then somethings wrong.

You want to punish coaches and universities? Hurt them in the pocket book. Punishment for these types of things should be monetary. A $10,000,000 fine would have hurt OSU more than this punishment, and it would have detered it from happening in the future as well. Does anybody honestly think that this type of punishment has any coach worried about how his program is being ran? Three schollies and a one year bowl ban?

Child please....

Monetary fines would be okay except in the south there are rogue boosters who would gladly pay them for the coach and university. I say if a student athlete gets caught breaking rules, they lose their scholarship to any D1 school. If a coach is caught he/she loses their job. That would end it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I would have been happy with 15 scholarship reduction over the next 3 years. 3 a year is just a bit more than what Boise St got for players sleeping on the floor. Such bullcrap.

When you say a "15 scholarship reduction over the next 3 years", do you mean a total scholarship reduction of 45 over 3 years (which is how the NCAA describes these things), or 5 per year over 3 years (so 15 total)?

The NCAA is a joke, and this is more evidence to prove it. As others have posted, Kiffin has laid down the gameplan for any coach that gets sanctions in the future. The NCAA's punishment is going to hurt low level scholarship players (who will undoubtedly be moved out) more than any one else. When we have the Urban Meyer's of the world taking jobs at schools about to get sanctions, and not have to worry about it hurting him, then somethings wrong.

You want to punish coaches and universities? Hurt them in the pocket book. Punishment for these types of things should be monetary. A $10,000,000 fine would have hurt OSU more than this punishment, and it would have detered it from happening in the future as well. Does anybody honestly think that this type of punishment has any coach worried about how his program is being ran? Three schollies and a one year bowl ban?

Child please....

The NCAA is a joke, but not for the reason you're implying. Check out this SI article by Andy Staples. Here's a relevant tidbit:

You probably thought I was going to say the NCAA. I could, but that wouldn't be entirely accurate. It's too easy to paint the NCAA as a bureaucratic bogeyman run by five or six Illuminati who sit in Indianapolis and dream up new ways to oppress athletes. That simply isn't the case. The people who work at the NCAA national office don't make the rules, and most are good, hard-working people who truly do care about the athletes. The NCAA is a representative democracy. The schools make the rules.

The NCAA is toothless because its member schools want it that way.

 

[woolybug25]

Monetary fines would be okay except in the south there are rogue boosters who would gladly pay them for the coach and university. I say if a student athlete gets caught breaking rules, they lose their scholarship to any D1 school. If a coach is caught he/she loses their job. That would end it.

I see what you are saying, but lets think about it. If this type of situation merited a $10,000,000 fine to be paid directly from OSU, are they going to really risk another fine from getting caught paying their NCAA fine from a booster? Furthermore, there aren't a lot of programs that have boosters willing to ante up that kind of coin for a NCAA violation.

Even if they did, it is still a much harsher fine than what OSU just received.

Here's another idea. Screw the scholly restrictions and bowl ban. Ban their tv rights for a season. For example, let's say the NCAA banned OSU from being broadcast onto television. Now you have the Big10 vested into this (which they already should be). OSU would undoubtedly have to give up their Big10 Network money for that year, and the conference as a whole would be very diligent in making sure it didn't happen again.

 

[jason_h537]

I thought it was 3 added onto the self imposed 5. So they lose 8 schollies a year for 3 years, right?

 

[gkIrish]

I am a grad student at Ohio State right now and I can tell you that everyone is really pissed. I think the punishments are appropriate considering none of the violations had anything to do with recruiting directly.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's a good article on this subject by Yahoo!'s Matt Hinton.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Cleveland radio is gripping hard. Their tears are delicious.