Ever wonder how Cal recruits well?

[IrishLax]

It's plausible that despite having crappy facilities (until these new ones get put in), not graduating players, not winning on the football field, not being on TV regularly, being worse at everything than nearby Stanford, and having a coach on the perennial hot seat that Cal would continue to recruit well locally. Plausible, even if hard to really comprehend. But how on earth have they done it on a national level? This is how:

SPORTSbyBROOKS

 

[GreatGolson]

everybody cheats, this is just their way of doing it

 

[BeauBenken]

everybody cheats, this is just their way of doing it

You act like this is okay. It's more Will Lyles crap.

 

[IrishLax]

You act like this is okay. It's more Will Lyles crap.

Cal also had connections to the original Lyles....

Basically, the cliff notes version is they have no qualms using street agents and paying people under the table to get the players they want from all corners of the country.

 

[Cali_domer]

everybody cheats, this is just their way of doing it

Hell could you imagine how well we would recruit if our rich Alumni would start paying. Everybody cheats is the ultimate cop-out, ND does not do this **** and if it did I would be disgusted. Kim Dunbar (since that is what people always throw back at me when this is brought up) donated 25 dollars to ND affilated club which made her a booster of the school otherwise ND has never had serious problems in this area(And she ****ed a football player and gave him gifts). Can't compare ND to CAL or Bama or the whole SEC for that matter.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

everybody cheats, this is just their way of doing it

ND doesn't cheat. Even if we wanted to, we could never get away with it considering the constant scrutiny the football program is under.

 

[IrishLax]

ND doesn't cheat. Even if we wanted to, we could never get away with it considering the constant scrutiny the football program is under.

Bingo. Want to know why Penn State has never had a violation? It's the same reason they were able to cover up a serial rapist for over a decade. They're in a bubble and everyone there is vested in protecting the program (aka the school's primary revenue stream).

At ND, you have as many haters as lovers in the surrounding areas. If you had players doing a Reggie Bush or Terrelle Pryor it would be all over the internet in moments.

 

[GreatGolson]

actually our boosters have broken the rules before, its why we were put on probation
FOOTBALL - FOOTBALL - N.C.A.A. Puts Notre Dame Football on Probation - NYTimes.com

 

[GreatGolson]

also, i don't mean to say that the UNIVERSITY or the PROGRAM does things, but there are a lot of very wealthy alums out there, and its hard to control everything that they do, i don't know if anything goes on currently, but it has happened at notre dame in the past

 

[Whiskeyjack]

actually our boosters have broken the rules before, its why we were put on probation
FOOTBALL - FOOTBALL - N.C.A.A. Puts Notre Dame Football on Probation - NYTimes.com

also, i don't mean to say that the UNIVERSITY or the PROGRAM does things, but there are a lot of very wealthy alums out there, and its hard to control everything that they do, i don't know if anything goes on currently, but it has happened at notre dame in the past

See Cali_Domer's post above. The Kim Dunbar saga was a joke.

 

[GreatGolson]

i never said we were USC, i just said that we've had violations before, we have a lot of wealthy alums. don't paint me as some kind of hater, but I'm just saying that the program needs to make sure some alum does something stupid that gets us in trouble.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

don't paint me as some kind of hater

You responded to the Lax's post about Cal with "everybody cheats." You clearly intended to include Notre Dame in that statement, and it's inaccurate. That kind of bullsh!t argument is how SEC, USC, OSU, etc. fans justify their programs' bad behavior.

We don't cheat. Period.

I'm just saying that the program needs to make sure some alum does something stupid that gets us in trouble.

It's certainly possible that a rogue ND booster could cause a problem, but that sort of thing only becomes a major violation when the school isn't diligently guarding against it. Do you have any reason to believe that ND's compliance department is asleep at the wheel? Because I got the exact opposite impression from my time there as a student.

 

[GreatGolson]

^ i only mean to say that every school has or has had rouge boosters, bad compliance departments, or plain corrupt administrators, but that there is NO perfect school where every single person is 100% violation free

 

[Rhode Irish]

also, i don't mean to say that the UNIVERSITY or the PROGRAM does things, but there are a lot of very wealthy alums out there, and its hard to control everything that they do, i don't know if anything goes on currently, but it has happened at notre dame in the past

What does this have to do with the story about a Cal coach's possible connections to a shady character?

 

[GreatGolson]

What does this have to do with the story about a Cal coach's possible connections to a shady character?

i was stating my reasoning as to why there is a potential for violations to occur even at a very strict program like notre dame

 

[DillonHall]

Whiskey's right, the compliance department is extremely strict and everything is done 'by the books.'

 

[DillonHall]

^ i only mean to say that every school has or has had rouge boosters, bad compliance departments, or plain corrupt administrators, but that there is NO perfect school where every single person is 100% violation free

I agree with this

 

[GreatGolson]

Whiskey's right, the compliance department is extremely strict and everything is done 'by the books.'

yes, but as we have seen at other schools, the compliance department cannot control everything the boosters do.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i was stating my reasoning as to why there is a potential for violations to occur even at a very strict program like notre dame

Secondary violations? Yes. The NCAA has rules regarding the types of bagel spreads one can offer prospective recruits on OVs; perfect compliance with such an absurd regime is nearly impossible.

Major violations? No. Not possible at Notre Dame.

For God's sake, we turned away a 4 RB and will likely lose out on a 4 CB because they didn't take a foreign language class in high school. That doesn't happen anywhere else but Notre Dame. If ND was going to start cheating, it'd get out of its own way first.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Secondary violations? Yes. The NCAA has rules regarding the types of bagel spreads one can offer prospective recruits on OVs; perfect compliance with such an absurd regime is nearly impossible.

Major violations? No. Not possible at Notre Dame.

For God's sake, we turned away a 4 RB and will likely lose out on a 4 CB because they didn't take a foreign language class in high school. That doesn't happen anywhere else but Notre Dame. If ND was going to start cheating, it'd get out of its own way first.

Bingo...

 

[GreatGolson]

^yes i agree, and i would be devastated if anything major ever happened to Notre Dame, my brother in law is friends with the NCAA compliance officer for notre dame and i am fully aware of the extraordinary lengths ND goes to maintain its reputation and its high standards. but its impossible to control every single person's actions

 

[Rhode Irish]

i was stating my reasoning as to why there is a potential for violations to occur even at a very strict program like notre dame

Fine, but does that not seem like a complete non sequitur to you? What does the general idea that any program could be harmed by a rogue booster have to do with the specific situation where a Cal coach successfully recruited a handful of kids that were connected to a shady character and don't have any other logical connection to Cal?

 

[jason_h537]

I have noticed when kids pick other schools it is always because they cheat. Maybe they do, or do not, but some posters need to take the blue and gold tinted glasses off. Some kids just do not like ND. It's true.

Cal has one opf the best recruiters in the country in Tosh Lupoi, Berkeley is a beautiful campus, history filled, and one of the most respected public institutions in the country. Plus as a UC they can take in players that normally would not get into Cal or other schools like Stanford or ND. Not to mention it is in norther Cali and has beautiful co-eds.

Not saying I would go there but I would consider visiting.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I have noticed when kids pick other schools it is always because they cheat. Maybe they do, or do not, but some posters need to take the blue and gold tinted glasses off. Some kids just do not like ND. It's true.

Cal has one opf the best recruiters in the country in Tosh Lupoi, Berkeley is a beautiful campus, history filled, and one of the most respected public institutions in the country. Plus as a UC they can take in players that normally would not get into Cal or other schools like Stanford or ND. Not to mention it is in norther Cali and has beautiful co-eds.

Not saying I would go there but I would consider visiting.

Did you even read the article Lax linked the OP? This isn't a random "call Cal cheaters because they're recruiting well" thread.

 

[Cali_domer]

I have noticed when kids pick other schools it is always because they cheat. Maybe they do, or do not, but some posters need to take the blue and gold tinted glasses off. Some kids just do not like ND. It's true.

Cal has one opf the best recruiters in the country in Tosh Lupoi, Berkeley is a beautiful campus, history filled, and one of the most respected public institutions in the country. Plus as a UC they can take in players that normally would not get into Cal or other schools like Stanford or ND. Not to mention it is in norther Cali and has beautiful co-eds.

Not saying I would go there but I would consider visiting.

Well duh, of course some kids don't like ND. That isn't what this is about.

 

[jason_h537]

Did you even read the article Lax linked the OP? This isn't a random "call Cal cheaters because they're recruiting well" thread.

Who the **** are you and why are you talking to me?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Who the **** are you and why are you talking to me?

LMAO

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Who the **** are you and why are you talking to me?

You descend on this board a couple times each day and carpet bomb every thread without reading virtually any of the posts therein. It's rude to insert yourself in a conversation without making an effort to determine what the conversation is about. It also makes you look stupid when you post irrelevant stuff.

So to answer your questions, I'm someone who's been involved in this thread since it was created, and I'm addressing you because you posted something completely irrelevant here. Do better next time.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Plus as a UC they can take in players that normally would not get into Cal or other schools like Stanford or ND.

Can you correct this typo/explain? I found it to be most nonsensical.

Edit: Jason appears to be done with his carpet bombing run. Returning to base.

 

[jason_h537]

Can you correct this typo/explain? I found it to be most nonsensical.

Just saying that as a UC they can accept borderline kids as long as they meet UC standards. Unlike Notre Dame or Stanford.