Penn State Head Coach Candidates

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This is going to sound bad, but hopefully you all will know what I mean. How is this an NCAA Violation? This isnt SMU. Players arent taking cash and cars. Not sure what oversight the NCAA has. Im thinking this isnt a program issue. It is an individual legal issue. How are they punished? Well they get fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the NCAA can add something in terms of what their exact jurisdiction is in this case.

I am in absolutely in no way diminishing these crimes. They are simply despicable. Just trying to determine what kind of leverage, if any, the NCAA has.
 

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I don't know what PA's laws are but i would bet money that this is going to cost the the school alot of money civil lawsuites.
 

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I would think that Golden would be their first choice and Schiano right behind. Funny, but while I don't normally associate with OSU fans (ha) a buddy of mine has some contacts extremely high up in the athletic dept. He insists that if Meyer get's back in to coaching it will be at PSU instead of OSU (this was before this stuff with PSU came up). Typically I would blow this off but the same guy told me a good 3 weeks ahead of time that Tressel would be gone Memorial Day weekend. OSU could make an offer that Meyer couldn't refuse, but I know they are high on the Toledo coach. Not sure of his name??
 

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No on Malzahn. He's never been a head coach above the high school level and all his connections and ties are in the south. He has big time cache with HS coaches in Arkansas (specifically), and also in OK and Alabama. None really to speak of in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, etc.

I'll never say never when it comes to coaches, but I'll give great odds that he never is a serious candidate at Penn St.-- either by his or their choosing.
 

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I know it's a good gig, but how many coaches would want to go to PSU right now? Some guys want the shot regardless, but think of the crapstorm you're going into as the new coach. You're stepping into a political mess (no way to know right now if the NCAA drops sanctions on PSU). Think of all the new safeguards & red tape the AD will probably drop on the football program.

Then the coach is also the guy who replaces the beloved Joe Pa. And how much can the new coach challenge Paterno's entrenched "system?" Dramatic changes would seem like a rebuke to Paterno, but playing it safe would anger the people who've been chomping at the bit for PSU to modernize their football program. This is only a good spot for someone who's trading up and out of a crappy current scenario. I couldn't see a highly regarded coach with real options on the table wanting this mess. But, I tend to underestimate these people's egos.

Stop with the nonsense. This is NOT an NCAA issue. This is a LEGAL issue (criminal and probably civil) the local DA is handling the criminal issue(s) and the nation is watching. A PSU ex-employee has been indicted for felony sex abuse against minors and two current employees for obstruction/hindering. That impacts the University's Administrative reputation but not the number of scholarships, bowl eligibility, TV ban, Big 10 membership, etc.

Any coach following a "Legend" encounters resistance, Anderson after Rockne, Brennan after Leahy, Davie after Holtz, Perkins after Bryant, Zook after Spurrier, etc. Few that follow a "Legend" succeed. The notoriety of the legal issues will take a lot of the spotlight off a new coach. He could install a jumbotron, a turf field, put names on the jerseys, switch to chartreuse shoes and PSUNation wouldn't be writing return receipt requested chain letters to the AD.

A recruit or two might chose to change his commitment but there have already been a slew of decision changers at other schools that have no controversy.

Paterno was in the last year of his contract. He's got the All-Time record and was expected to be leaving. The question now for recruits is will PSU hire a real football coach or look for a "molder of men" ala ND after the O'Leary fiasco, or UW after the Neuheisel saga? And will their recruiter/position coach be retained.?

As for the first, do you think Urban's arrest record for his players at UF is damage control at PSU or gas on the fire? I think guys like Mike Leach with baggage (real or imaginary) need not apply.

As for the assistants likely not. A veteran coach is going to bring most of his core guys with him. They're committed to the new head coach not the deposed one. Alford was the only holdover at ND when Kelly came on board. For all the heat Paterno has taken in the scandal for not calling the police, how does PSU keep Mike McQueary, the eye witness, and current Recruiting Coordinator?
 

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Stop with the nonsense. This is NOT an NCAA issue. This is a LEGAL issue (criminal and probably civil) the local DA is handling the criminal issue(s) and the nation is watching. A PSU ex-employee has been indicted for felony sex abuse against minors and two current employees for obstruction/hindering. That impacts the University's Administrative reputation but not the number of scholarships, bowl eligibility, TV ban, Big 10 membership, etc.

Any coach following a "Legend" encounters resistance, Anderson after Rockne, Brennan after Leahy, Davie after Holtz, Perkins after Bryant, Zook after Spurrier, etc. Few that follow a "Legend" succeed. The notoriety of the legal issues will take a lot of the spotlight off a new coach. He could install a jumbotron, a turf field, put names on the jerseys, switch to chartreuse shoes and PSUNation wouldn't be writing return receipt requested chain letters to the AD.

A recruit or two might chose to change his commitment but there have already been a slew of decision changers at other schools that have no controversy.

Paterno was in the last year of his contract. He's got the All-Time record and was expected to be leaving. The question now for recruits is will PSU hire a real football coach or look for a "molder of men" ala ND after the O'Leary fiasco, or UW after the Neuheisel saga? And will their recruiter/position coach be retained.?

As for the first, do you think Urban's arrest record for his players at UF is damage control at PSU or gas on the fire? I think guys like Mike Leach with baggage (real or imaginary) need not apply.

As for the assistants likely not. A veteran coach is going to bring most of his core guys with him. They're committed to the new head coach not the deposed one. Alford was the only holdover at ND when Kelly came on board. For all the heat Paterno has taken in the scandal for not calling the police, how does PSU keep Mike McQueary, the eye witness, and current Recruiting Coordinator?

Just to add to that, how does he or any of those coaches who knew what was going on go into a kid's home, look his parents in the eye, and say I will take care of your son.
 

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They will treat this hire with complete kid gloves, so I think Leach would be too "risky" a choice since he had baggage (although ridiculous in nature) from TT.

All signs point to Golden. No outsider will want to touch (no horrible pun intended) that program with the current state of affairs going on.


A little off point, but along the line of "horrible puns," did you know that Sandusky wrote a book in 2001 called "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"? No kidding. What a sick, weird world we live in.
 

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No on Malzahn. He's never been a head coach above the high school level and all his connections and ties are in the south. He has big time cache with HS coaches in Arkansas (specifically), and also in OK and Alabama. None really to speak of in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, etc.

I'll never say never when it comes to coaches, but I'll give great odds that he never is a serious candidate at Penn St.-- either by his or their choosing.

Malzahn's also in the hopper at Ole Miss for Nutt's job. Not PSU football but in the center of his recruiting background AND with lower expectations. A PSU type gig should be your last coaching job not your first, (right Charlie?). Tuberville used Ole Miss as a stepping stone, Malzahn could too.
 

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Malzahn's also in the hopper at Ole Miss for Nutt's job. Not PSU football but in the center of his recruiting background AND with lower expectations. A PSU type gig should be your last coaching job not your first, (right Charlie?). Tuberville used Ole Miss as a stepping stone, Malzahn could too.
That makes sense also.
 

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The sad thing here is, this could happen anywhere. It is not institutional control, but this has put a huge stain on the program. Not many high profile coaches will want to take over Penn State right now. Maybe Al Golden would give it a look, but Miami is such a better job right now...
 

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Possible landing spots for Gus in the next year or two:

Texas A&M
Ole Miss
North Carolina
South Carolina
Kentucky
Tennessee
Georgia

All but Kentucky and Ole Miss are equal to or above Penn St. when it comes to facilities, recruiting bases, and/or job desirability. And he could use Ole Miss or Kentucky to springboard onto another huge job in ~5 years (assuming he'd even be successful building and leading an entire program).

Not to instigate a big fracas here, but the Penn State brand is not that big in the southeast, southwest, Atlantic coast, nor much of the west coast. Take away Joe Paterno (which is what is happening), and many college football fans don't know much about Penn State. I know many fans in the southeast look at Penn State as a fraud that perennially schedules down and doesn't have the players to compete against elite teams.
 

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Possible landing spots for Gus in the next year or two:

Texas A&M
Ole Miss
North Carolina
South Carolina
Kentucky
Tennessee
Georgia

All but Kentucky and Ole Miss are equal to or above Penn St. when it comes to facilities, recruiting bases, and/or job desirability. And he could use Ole Miss or Kentucky to springboard onto another huge job in ~5 years (assuming he'd even be successful building and leading an entire program).

Not to instigate a big fracas here, but the Penn State brand is not that big in the southeast, southwest, Atlantic coast, nor much of the west coast. Take away Joe Paterno (which is what is happening), and many college football fans don't know much about Penn State. I know many fans in the southeast look at Penn State as a fraud that perennially schedules down and doesn't have the players to compete against elite teams.

I've been screaming that for years right here in Philly!
 

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Not to instigate a big fracas here, but the Penn State brand is not that big in the southeast, southwest, Atlantic coast, nor much of the west coast. Take away Joe Paterno (which is what is happening), and many college football fans don't know much about Penn State. I know many fans in the southeast look at Penn State as a fraud that perennially schedules down and doesn't have the players to compete against elite teams.

Penn State is 6-3, in their last 9 bowl games vs. the SEC.
 

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My guess is it'll be Tom Bradley unless they find out he was somehow involved in this mess too.
 

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Meyer wont be coaching until another four years. He bought real estate up in Happy Valley because his daughter will be a freshman and play volleyball. He quit coaching for now to be apart of his family. He wont go back until his kids are all graduated.
 

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Bill Cowher? He's from PA.
 
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I wonder if they'll try and bring in somebody with ties to the program (which is often done across the nation, for obvious reasons) or try and steer clear altogether from anyone with Paterno/Sandusky ties. If they are interested in bringing back a former player or coach, I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Munchak's name was brought up. Don't know how likely it would be for them or him, but the name brings some pull-- NFL hall of famer, long-time NFL coach, NFL head coach, well-respected and well-liked guy. Personally, as a Titans fan, I'd be for him leaving to go there.
 

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i'd like to see them fold the program entirely.
 

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What about Matt Millen as AD?.....(thats a joke.....he's too controversial)
 
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