I hope we run the table just to **** off Tom Dienhart.

[JohnShade]

From his chat today:

[Comment From ryno ryno : ]
If ND runs the table the rest of the way, will they be in a BCS game?


TomDienhart:
No way. Not at 10-2. Who would ND had beaten that was impressive aside from Stanford? No one.



First, nice grammar, Tom. Good to see a man who makes a living writing is so consistently good at it.

Second, if ND is 10-2, having won 10 in a row to finish the season, including wins against Michigan State, USC, @Stanford, and against what appears to be an ACC-contending Wake team @Wake, they're a shoo-in for the BCS - and not just for popularity or political reasons. Simple merit. The computers already love us and we've only won 4 in a row.

MSU might not lose more than 1 more game. USC could have a strong year and even if they don't they're still a strong brand with elite talent. Stanford could be unbeaten going into that game.

I hope we do it just to see the look on this guy's face. Cause if we do, we'll be in a BCS bowl. And we won't embarrass ourselves when we get there, either.

 

[TinyT]

ND has to be in the top 8 to be guaranteed a BCS bowl berth. It is a long climb from unranked to #8 in the country with only 2/3's of the season left. There would need to be a whole lot of attrition in the top ranks to get ND up there.

This is just from my head, I'm to tired to look it up. I do believe that ND can snag an at large BCS berth if they finish in the top 14, but at that point it is up to the Bowl people to pick them.

I have no idea who this guy is, but he is conducting a live chat, there is worse grammar all over this site within thought out responses. Give him a break.

Nitpicking grammar on this site, is like walking across the street to get your butt kicked. There are a few here who will make it their mission to point out each problem with everyone of your posts, from grammar to facts to idiocy, until they get bored. Just go with the flow and enjoy the site.

Welcome aboard.

 

[Irishnuke]

Nothing he said was really incorrect. ND is far far from a shoe-in for a BCS game if they run the table. There are a lot of teams ahead of us that need to tank down the stretch to reach a BCS game. Not impossible, but very improbable.

 

[JohnShade]

No offense, but I think you're both crazy. ND only has to finish top 14 to get into the BCS, and (and this one definitely is for money/popularity reasons) there's no way we'd get left out if we were eligible. Especially having won 10 in a row, including a victory on the road to end the season against a dominant Stanford team.

It's the definition of a shoo-in. Especially since I don't think Stanford will lose a game in the meantime. I expect a (fingers crossed) 9-2 ND team to go out there and if they win, knock a legitimate title contender off to end the season.

Reading responses like this I really fear that the past 15 years have bred a kind of fan that honestly would be better off rooting for Purdue or Kansas or something. There's this resigned, defeatist tone to everything, completely beaten down and lacking in pride.

One hopes BK's teams can do to the fanbase what he's already done for the program itself - change the culture. Until that happens I may abstain from messageboards. Wish you all well.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Let's worry about this when the Irish are 10-2?

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Let's worry about this when the Irish are 10-2?

What Buster said.

 

[t3hjc]

Nothing he said was really incorrect.

Except for the part where he said there's no way we could get into a BCS bowl at 10-2.

 

[bigedefense]

No offense, but I think you're both crazy. ND only has to finish top 14 to get into the BCS, and (and this one definitely is for money/popularity reasons) there's no way we'd get left out if we were eligible. Especially having won 10 in a row, including a victory on the road to end the season against a dominant Stanford team.

It's the definition of a shoo-in. Especially since I don't think Stanford will lose a game in the meantime. I expect a (fingers crossed) 9-2 ND team to go out there and if they win, knock a legitimate title contender off to end the season.

Reading responses like this I really fear that the past 15 years have bred a kind of fan that honestly would be better off rooting for Purdue or Kansas or something. There's this resigned, defeatist tone to everything, completely beaten down and lacking in pride.

One hopes BK's teams can do to the fanbase what he's already done for the program itself - change the culture. Until that happens I may abstain from messageboards. Wish you all well.

Welcome aboard! Hey, I agree with everything you said. We run the table and boom, we are BCS. I love your attitude & I agree that some have taken NDOM's approach to our season, but don't abstain from posting, many of us are with you.

Here's a hint for some assistance. Just say something in your post about Rees being 8 and 1 ! That wakes up one of the big dogs on this site. Then throw in a Brah for good measure. Also, if you empty the Joe, make some moe! TErryTate is sometimes woke up to show our negative brothers the way. Stick around and you will see a bunch of folks with your attitude and some AWESOME insight. I got into trouble last time for not listing all the great posters, but honestly, there are so many, I can't! Welcome and enjoy. This is the best cyber hangout on the planet!

 

[koonja]

Conference schedules just started. There will be a lot of ranked teams that will add losses. ND controls its own destiny.

 

[irish4ever]

Let's worry about this when the Irish are 10-2?

Let's worry about this IF/when the Irish are 10-2!!!

 

[Green Goblin]

Lol so what's he think about Michigan and Boise st?

 

[nin05]

Agreed. Let's just get into the top 25 first. Having said that, if attrition at the top is what needs to happen, it's obviously more than possible with conference games approaching. As an example, look at the teams ranked from 20-25 this week and look at the schedule. ND could sneak in this week after the dust settles. Anything is possible... but the Irish can only control the games they play in. Everything else is secondary.

 

[PJWhitfield]

I'm sure BK is taking it one game at a time, and that's the only way to stay sane. Bottom line is that this is a very good Notre Dame team. I'm biased, but I honestly think this team can compete against anybody. This is not Charlie's Notre Dame of underachievers anymore.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

The only problem I have with what he said is that he said no way. Its not no way. Its very possible. Its also very possible we go 10-2 and get left out. Hell, its very possible we don't go 10-2. There is a half season of football to be played. To state we are a shoe in at 10-2 or there is no way at 10-2 are equally ridiculous at this point.

 

[phork]

No offense, but I think you're both crazy. ND only has to finish top 14 to get into the BCS, and (and this one definitely is for money/popularity reasons) there's no way we'd get left out if we were eligible. Especially having won 10 in a row, including a victory on the road to end the season against a dominant Stanford team.

Top8 is a guaranteed BCS bowl. Top14 is eligible only. And frankly there are other teams that would probably garner a spot over us. USF and UM cannot lose the rest of the way, or 1 or 2 games at most.
The thing that helps us is the fact that I don't think the Big10 is going to use up their 2 BCS spots. The SEC is stacked and will easily make their 2, the Big12 might get 2, the BigEast will get 1, the ACC will get one and the Pac12 will get 1 maybe 2 depending how Stanford/Oregon finish out. That leaves 2 or 3 spots open.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Top8 is a guaranteed BCS bowl. Top14 is eligible only. And frankly there are other teams that would probably garner a spot over us. USF and UM cannot lose the rest of the way, or 1 or 2 games at most.
The thing that helps us is the fact that I don't think the Big10 is going to use up their 2 BCS spots. The SEC is stacked and will easily make their 2, the Big12 might get 2, the BigEast will get 1, the ACC will get one and the Pac12 will get 1 maybe 2 depending how Stanford/Oregon finish out. That leaves 2 or 3 spots open.

Boise State will automatically qualify if they win their conference & finish top 12 in the BCS. I think that's likely.

 

[bigedefense]

Well, I for one am glad that Coach Kelly is grounded and looking at the next game only. I, on the other hand, have not reached the point where I look for the other shoe to drop. I, just like in each year that has past since 1988, expect us to win out. That is just me. I am not trying to bad mouth anyone that feels diferently, and if I came off that way in an earlier post, my appologies. I honestly feel that we can win every game we play. It sure is a lot easier now with Coach Kelly and the atmosphere he has brought. I think the players feel that way now. Should ND win out, will they get a BCS bid? Hell, I don't know, but I for one will be pulling for it! I am encouraged each week by what I see on tv. JohnShade is new here and is full of enthusiasm. I like the feeling he is bringing. It is a great feeling to be talking about BCS bowls this time of year. We may very well get one or we may not. Who knows, but at least right now we have a shot! I think thats all JohnShade is trying to say.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

What if we just try to be SC? They've dominated us for the past decade except for last year without Barkley. This game is so incredibly important to the season and for recruiting. So how about if we just go 5-2 for now?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Shadyjack (c wut i did thar?) is absolutely right.

ND would absolutely be in the top 14 if we win out, thereby making us eligible for an at-large berth. The BCS has never failed to select ND when it's eligible.

The bowls are all about money, and a 10-2 ND would bring in way more money than a 10-2 TCU or an 11-1 Boise State. If we win out, it's a lock.

Furthermore, this populist "anti-grammar-correcting" trend is extremely obnoxious. When a professional writer butchers the English language in the process of ripping ND, he deserves to get ripped for it.

 

[Irishnuke]

Furthermore, this populist "anti-grammar-correcting" trend is extremely obnoxious. When a professional writer butchers the English language in the process of ripping ND, he deserves to get ripped for it.

Copying and pasting a high schooler's tweet for the sole purpose of bashing him is equally obnoxious.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Copying and pasting a high schooler's tweet for the sole purpose of bashing him is equally obnoxious.

It wasn't for the sole purpose of bashing him.

If someone posts an otherwise reasonable message with a grammatical mistake, I won't bring it up. If someone posts something stupid with grammatical mistakes, I'll be pointing out both.

Attempting to express support for breast cancer awareness with a tweet that states, "if your not supporting breast cancer this week your #LAME RT RT" is stupid.

 

[bigedefense]

What if we just try to be SC? They've dominated us for the past decade except for last year without Barkley. This game is so incredibly important to the season and for recruiting. So how about if we just go 5-2 for now?

Hey, thats a novel idea. Lets do that. However, nothing I do, other than prayer, will help. So, I just cheer. If I were a player or on staff, my outlook would be different. I have the option to look at the entire season. I do not have to focus on just one game. Honestly, I am excited to be thinking that there is hope for a BCS. We may not get there, but it feels nice to be able to sit back, think about different scenerios, and hope. Why get so critical because some are thinking about BCS? Sure, this game is important. I am sure you've heard it said, "the most important game in a season is the next one". Why come off sounding pissed that people are talking about BCS? So yeah, sure, lets go 5-2, then 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, 9-2, 10-2. Will that happen? I don't know. None of us do. I choose to look at it like driving to work. I don't think about just getting to the end of my driveway. My ultimate goal is to get to work without having an accident. (which I did last week. A lady rear-ended me while I was stopped at a light because she was texting) .

 

[bigedefense]

Shadyjack (c wut i did thar?) is absolutely right.

ND would absolutely be in the top 14 if we win out, thereby making us eligible for an at-large berth. The BCS has never failed to select ND when it's eligible.

The bowls are all about money, and a 10-2 ND would bring in way more money than a 10-2 TCU or an 11-1 Boise State. If we win out, it's a lock.

Furthermore, this populist "anti-grammar-correcting" trend is extremely obnoxious. When a professional writer butchers the English language in the process of ripping ND, he deserves to get ripped for it.

+ 1

 

[Rhode Irish]

No offense, but I think you're both crazy. ND only has to finish top 14 to get into the BCS, and (and this one definitely is for money/popularity reasons) there's no way we'd get left out if we were eligible. Especially having won 10 in a row, including a victory on the road to end the season against a dominant Stanford team.

It's the definition of a shoo-in. Especially since I don't think Stanford will lose a game in the meantime. I expect a (fingers crossed) 9-2 ND team to go out there and if they win, knock a legitimate title contender off to end the season.

Reading responses like this I really fear that the past 15 years have bred a kind of fan that honestly would be better off rooting for Purdue or Kansas or something. There's this resigned, defeatist tone to everything, completely beaten down and lacking in pride.

One hopes BK's teams can do to the fanbase what he's already done for the program itself - change the culture. Until that happens I may abstain from messageboards. Wish you all well.

I totally agree with everything you're saying here, particularly the bolded part. Some ND fans seem to be completely out of touch in the opposite way that you would expect. WAY too much respect for some teams that haven't earned it on the field. In another thread some guy lost his **** because someone made the point that ND would handle Penn State and Texas easily. Guess what? If you've watched either of those teams play, that is probably an understatement. There are literally endless examples of this attitude on this board over
the last month or so.

Look, we lost our first two games in incredibly frustrating fashion. Since then, I belive we have shown that our preseason expectations were reasonable. Its too bad we stumbled out of the gate, but people have greatly overreacted to that when it comes to assessing this team, IMO.

Reps, JohnShade.

 

[phork]

Boise State will automatically qualify if they win their conference & finish top 12 in the BCS. I think that's likely.

Exactly, forgot about that. So if ND finishes 14, I doubt we go.

 

[bigedefense]

I totally agree with everything you're saying here, particularly the bolded part. Some ND fans seem to be completely out of touch in the opposite way that you would expect. WAY too much respect for some teams that haven't earned it on the field. In another thread some guy lost his **** because someone made the point that ND would handle Penn State and Texas easily. Guess what? If you've watched either of those teams play, that is probably an understatement. There are literally endless examples of this attitude on this board over
the last month or so.

Look, we lost our first two games in incredibly frustrating fashion. Since then, I belive we have shown that our preseason expectations were reasonable. Its too bad we stumbled out of the gate, but people have greatly overreacted to that when it comes to assessing this team, IMO.

Reps, JohnShade.

and reps to you sir! I agree with both of you!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Reading responses like this I really fear that the past 15 years have bred a kind of fan that honestly would be better off rooting for Purdue or Kansas or something. There's this resigned, defeatist tone to everything, completely beaten down and lacking in pride.

Ouch. Dude. I mean...ouch.

Wait until basketball season.

Dude.

Ouch.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Some ND fans seem to be completely out of touch in the opposite way that you would expect.

It's a defense mechanism. People have been hurt before and it's sometimes easier to expect less. That said, I don't understand not* enjoying the last 4 games (well...maybe only 3 of the 4).


*Sorry...double negative seemed appropriate.

 

[kmoose]

Shadyjack (c wut i did thar?) is absolutely right.

ND would absolutely be in the top 14 if we win out, thereby making us eligible for an at-large berth. The BCS has never failed to select ND when it's eligible.

The bowls are all about money, and a 10-2 ND would bring in way more money than a 10-2 TCU or an 11-1 Boise State. If we win out, it's a lock.

Furthermore, this populist "anti-grammar-correcting" trend is extremely obnoxious. When a professional writer butchers the English language in the process of ripping ND, he deserves to get ripped for it.

The problem with this is that BSU and TCU are still in their honeymoon phase, with the media. If Boise State finishes 11-1, they might still be ranked high enough to earn an automatic qualification, which means that they are in over ND, no matter how much money they can, or can't, bring to the table. If it's an at-large berth, then I think ND goes in front of them.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The problem with this is that BSU and TCU are still in their honeymoon phase, with the media. If Boise State finishes 11-1, they might still be ranked high enough to earn an automatic qualification, which means that they are in over ND, no matter how much money they can, or can't, bring to the table. If it's an at-large berth, then I think ND goes in front of them.

You're right. We have to hope TCU knocks off Boise State in a few weeks.