Evolution of the BK offense

[ryno 24]

We still have not seen the full evolution of the BK offense yet because of both CW's players and quarterback play... when BK gets all of his guys in here how do you think this offense will fully develop?

Will it be more Like Oregon, Florida, UC (this is obivous but i believe with what we have seen that the offense will grow more), Oklahoma, I just cant fully imagine what this offense turns into

Thoughts are not only welcome but requested

 

[Riddickulous]

When the offense is running on all cylinders, it is difficult to stop, as in 2001 when Kelly's GVSU offense averaged 58 points a game. They averaged 600 yards per game and were Top 7 in both passing and rushing offense.

Will it ever reach it's potential here, though? Tough to say. It's getting there.

 

[Irish Fam]

I think it will be its own monster. I want to say the most similar one will be Oregon's, but I think we will have a little more power opposed to their finesse

 

[anarin]

High Octane!!!

Depends on the QB play. When he gets someone in there that can change the game and not manage the game, then you'll see the true BK offense shining through.

 

[irishog77]

I think it's tough to say as well. Some of those offenses listed above were predicated on the personnel they had (i.e. Chris Leak and Tim Tebow had 2 different skill sets, so it's tough to run the same offense for those 2 guys). I know Kelly has said something about Texas being the most similar type of spread offense to his. Vince Young and Colt McCoy were arguably 2 of the best college football QB's to ever play though. And while Kelly may like the rushing option a QB may provide, his UC teams (at least statistically) didn't really produce much in the way of rushing numbers from his QB's. Young and McCoy did, however, put up good rushing numbers.

Right now, the only limit I really see with the offense is Rees (and no, I'm not turning this into a "bench Rees" post-- I think he's our best option right now) and his inability to get the ball downfield and with his lack of mobility. Will Hendrix and/or Golson change all that in the next year or so? That's the million dollar question! I think we all want to see that change and are hopeful and confident it will change, but it's still frustratingly a giant unknown.

 

[Veer option]

Oregon

I really hope not. They have a really difficult time against stout defensive lines. See 2009 Rosebowl, 2010 National Championship and the first game against LSU.

Florida

No thanks at both Florida's spread under Urban Meyer or Pro Style under Weis. Though I would take Pro over the running spread any day.

UC

No thanks. The Big East is the most pitiful BCS automatic qualifying conference in football. UC was able to shred defenses with a bunch of 2 and 3 star guys.

Oklahoma

This is a nice compromise but then again Okey doesn't use the QB as a running threat. Also they use a FB for close yardage as well as for short check down passes, something I would like to see from ND.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm not sure Kelly's schematic history is indicative of what we'll look like in the future. Kelly has never been able to recruit the size and talent to which he now has access.

He's focused first on building an elite defense. Next came the OL and running game. Last will be the QB and WRs. That sounds like the 'Bama and LSU recipe for success to me.

In the past, Kelly's ideal offense was probably closest to a pass-first version of Oregon's spread. Now? Hard to say. Kelly is probably content running our opponents down until someone shows they can stop it.

 

[Rocket89]

^ So you prefer the triple option?

"He said to Veer option."

 

[Whiskeyjack]

^ So you prefer the triple option?

"He said to Veer option."

He has been consulting with Holtz an awful lot.

 

[D-BOE34]

Didn't Kelly mention once about Oregon's Offense? Something along the lines of, "That is what it is suppose to look like. Were going to get there."

???

 

[eNDzone]

This is a nice compromise but then again Okey doesn't use the QB as a running threat. Also they use a FB for close yardage as well as for short check down passes, something I would like to see from ND.

Kelly has talked about using the tight end as a fullback in short down yardage situations. You will not see him recruit a fullback because their uses are too limited.

 

[irish1958]

I think it's tough to say as well. Some of those offenses listed above were predicated on the personnel they had (i.e. Chris Leak and Tim Tebow had 2 different skill sets, so it's tough to run the same offense for those 2 guys). I know Kelly has said something about Texas being the most similar type of spread offense to his. Vince Young and Colt McCoy were arguably 2 of the best college football QB's to ever play though. And while Kelly may like the rushing option a QB may provide, his UC teams (at least statistically) didn't really produce much in the way of rushing numbers from his QB's. Young and McCoy did, however, put up good rushing numbers.

Right now, the only limit I really see with the offense is Rees (and no, I'm not turning this into a "bench Rees" post-- I think he's our best option right now) and his inability to get the ball downfield and with his lack of mobility. Will Hendrix and/or Golson change all that in the next year or so? That's the million dollar question! I think we all want to see that change and are hopeful and confident it will change, but it's still frustratingly a giant unknown.

Actually Pike gained over 300 yards at Cincinnati. His official yardage isn't too good because of sacks, especially after his injury. He ran on occasion and could run for a first down when needed.
Our problem with not running is that we can't pick up a few first downs a game this way, and instead have to punt; that is the same as a turnover.
We can't get the TD when everybody is covered leaving the QB open for a draw or a sprint to the endzone. I think Crist had several rushing first downs and TDs. You don't really need a running QB; but if the threat is there, it limits the defense as they have to watch the QB. That takes one man out of coverage.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I think that the future Kelly-ND offense will look a lot like it does now with three exceptions:
1). few turnovers;
2). quarterback who can run whenever necessary and beyond that when schemed as the unaccounted for eleventh man;
3). dynamic slot receiver play.

I believe that Coach has fallen in love with the "monster power" O-line possibilities he has for the first time, and tight ends.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I think that the future Kelly-ND offense will look a lot like it does now with three exceptions:
1). few turnovers;
2). quarterback who can run whenever necessary and beyond that when schemed as the unaccounted for eleventh man;
3). dynamic slot receiver play.

I believe that Coach has fallen in love with the "monster power" O-line possibilities he has for the first time, and tight ends.

Agreed.

That dynamic slot receiver play should come with the defense having to account for a speedy QB.

I think Golson gets everyone excited not only because of his speed but because he looks to have a more than capable arm. His legs are the talk of the town but if it all comes together and he runs the offense one day, it would be his arm that would take him to the elite level. Emphasis on the "but if it all comes together".. never any guarantees but plenty of predictions.

Could you imagine Denard if he were able to launch the long ball or zip the ball accurately on the run?? He would be near impossible to defend.

 

[BGIF]

We still have not seen the full evolution of the BK offense yet because of both CW's players and quarterback play... when BK gets all of his guys in here how do you think this offense will fully develop?

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I'm not sure if you really meant "evolution" or did you mean "implementation" of the BK offense. I think there's a hugh difference.

Recently he spoke of "call and haul" which is his UC offense. That would be implementation not evolution. Immediately some fans started salivating here over Golson running for a zillion yards. There was mention here of UF, UC, ORE, and OU. Anybody check the size of those QBs. They're big guys with beef on their bones. Guys that can take repeated pounding. Denard Robinson gets ripped by some of those same posters with the line, "Wait did he gets to mid-season again. He can't take the pounding." OK they why should Golson be able to. Robinson weights 200 pounds. Tebow was 240. Collaros is 6-0, 223. Darron Thomas 6-3, 212. Landry Jones 6-4 230. Everett Golson 6-0, 180. He's got a build similar to Ismail not a call and haul bell cow QB. Tebow was a threat at the goal line because he was a QB in a FB's body. Golson is a QB in a CB's body. He's not going to stand up a 250 LB and bowl him backwards into the endzone.

Whiskey correctly noted Kelly has never had the opportunity to get players with the talent ND can. Kelly has mentioned what a great back Pead was/is. Rhetorical question, How does Pead stack up in the list of great ND backs?

Kelly WRs, TEs, and OLs were nothing like the caliber of players he has now and can bring in down the road. Do you take that talent and implement your former offense or now does an evolution truly take place and morph into something else?


Fans complain about the red zone and want a mobile QB. How about some evolution now putting Jonas and Cierre in the same backfield. Instead of the gimmicky use of defensive guys which didn't work against USF. Both Gray and Wood are quick, both can run through the middle or around the end. Both can block. Both can catch passes out of the backfield.

With Floyd and Eifert as receivers you essentially have two TALL WRs in the game while you also have the equivalent of two TEs to block in the game. Is there a better blocking recevier than Floyd? Does anyone have better hands than Floyd AND Eifert? Now put Riddick in the slot. There's a ton of permutations without have to change QBs because Rees doesn't run like Tony Rice or even Quinn.

 

[PJWhitfield]

BK surprised me with how quickly he upgraded the defense. I didn't expect that.