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[NDPhilly]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... I think we'd see Hendrix before we see Dayne. Hendrix is going to need to see some game speed experience.

+1 I'd reLly like to break him out against USC but would like to give him some in game practice reps against Purdue

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I just didn't think this would be a blowout. I'm delighted to win a tough game on the road.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I just didn't think this would be a blowout. I'm delighted to win a tough game on the road.

couldn't agree more. Some of these guys up in here would complain about a 1-0 baseball victory because it wasn't won in a sexy manner.

 

[phork]

Pitt had a great defensive plan, pretty simple, hide what you're doing until the ball is snapped. Confused Tommy, as it would any young QB. Surprising that noone else has done it to us yet.

I wish we had a veteran QB, not a QB that should be watching film and learning

UM did it to us, but Tommy audibled hellaciously in that game, change the counts, get them to move to show their plans. Frankly I can't believe that in year 1 of a coaching staff that all of those kids would be disciplined enough to not balk.

Totally. We've only averaged about 425 yards a game. Terrible.

Averaged 425 and we are 2-2.

I just didn't think this would be a blowout. I'm delighted to win a tough game on the road.

couldn't agree more. Some of these guys up in here would complain about a 1-0 baseball victory because it wasn't won in a sexy manner.

I'm happy with a win as well. But if we aren't a better passing team than Maine (who got 345 yards on Pitt) at this point, I don't know what to think. I just had visions of Tulsa last year. Rees to Floyd on the deep fade for the win, errr int'd. Sorry folks I just have a hard time believing that if Maine could hang 345, we should have been somewhat competitive here.

The killer is the ground game was doing its job as well. Sometimes you miss the standard ProStyle with a nice PlayAction bomb...

 

[BeatSC]

Settling for mediocrity

Settling for mediocrity

I get that a win is a win but what we saw today specifically from the offense (most notably Tommy) does not inspire anyone going forward. Another 2 TO's from Tommy and about 3 near miss Ints. While he was sacked only once on many occassions he had extra tme and only once did he manufacture a first down with his legs. He had more than one occassion where he just decided to give up and throw the ball into the gorund on 3rd down. This is better than another Tommy TO but I think any of the other 3 QB's could do better under those circumstances. Take away the Jonas TD and Tommy accounted for 8 ND points and 3 for Pitt. Can anyone on this board really believe the Dayne, Hendrix or Golston couldn't have put up more than 8 points with their arms and their legs?

Name a few teams in D-I CFB where Tommy starts? We have a great O-line, All american WR, exceptional TE, very good RB's and 2 good alternate WR targets. It hurts to see this talent languishing because we don't ave a mutli-threat multi talented QB to deliver.

If Tommy has a similar game with more tunrovers and lack of production I realy don't care who they bring in as long as they just do it. I cannot watch this nice kid try to run this offense with his little hands (can't hold onto the ball). We all talked about his superior accuracy and decision making but none of that was evident today. This game was won by the Defense (like it has won our last 6 and kept us in the USF game) and a good running game.

Relieved and Happy for the win but Tommy looked better last year. Dayne got yanked after 2 quarters that had the team in the Red zone three times. Tommy got us inside the 20 once.

Do not expect to see him as our only QB on the field the rest of the year. The future starts this season and it will not be with Tommy. Good kid done some nice things but just as many mistakes.

I think he has 9 TO's in 3.5 games and 7 TD's. How does this measure up for ND QB's?

Sorry if this hurts some feelings but alot of us expected ND to be 4-0 (ane we should be)right now and the weakest link so far has been the play of Tommy and one CB.

 

[koonja]

I get that a win is a win but what we saw today specifically from the offense (most notably Tommy) does not inspire anyone going forward. Another 2 TO's from Tommy and about 3 near miss Ints. While he was sacked only once on many occassions he had extra tme and only once did he manufacture a first down with his legs. He had more than one occassion where he just decided to give up and throw the ball into the gorund on 3rd down. This is better than another Tommy TO but I think any of the other 3 QB's could do better under those circumstances. Take away the Jonas TD and Tommy accounted for 8 ND points and 3 for Pitt. Can anyone on this board really believe the Dayne, Hendrix or Golston couldn't have put up more than 8 points with their arms and their legs?

Name a few teams in D-I CFB where Tommy starts? We have a great O-line, All american WR, exceptional TE, very good RB's and 2 good alternate WR targets. It hurts to see this talent languishing because we don't ave a mutli-threat multi talented QB to deliver.



If Tommy has a similar game with more tunrovers and lack of production I realy don't care who they bring in as long as they just do it. I cannot watch this nice kid try to run this offense with his little hands (can't hold onto the ball). We all talked about his superior accuracy and decision making but none of that was evident today. This game was won by the Defense (like it has won our last 6 and kept us in the USF game) and a good running game.

Relieved and Happy for the win but Tommy looked better last year. Dayne got yanked after 2 quarters that had the team in the Red zone three times. Tommy got us inside the 20 once.

Do not expect to see him as our only QB on the field the rest of the year. The future starts this season and it will not be with Tommy. Good kid done some nice things but just as many mistakes.

I think he has 9 TO's in 3.5 games and 7 TD's. How does this measure up for ND QB's?

Sorry if this hurts some feelings but alot of us expected ND to be 4-0 (ane we should be)right now and the weakest link so far has been the play of Tommy and one CB.

I love your post but I've seen enough. I don't have to see anymore TOs to know that as good as Tommy is at some things, he's our biggest liability on what is a very talented team.

He started 4 games last year (plus the Tulsa game) and had 8 interceptions that year.

As you pointed out, he's played 3.5 games this year and has 9 TOs.

It's killing us and putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on our defense to win every game.

You guys shouldn't kid yourselves and say Tommy won that game on the final drive. We should have never needed a final minute TD against the worst passing defense in college football. The defense won that game.

I'm all for putting Crist back in. He had one bad half in the first game of the season (not to mention his first game back from surgery).

Tommy had 2 of them today against an awful passing defense in the 4th game of his second season in the system.

 

[BeatSC]

I love your post but I've seen enough. I don't have to see anymore TOs to know that as good as Tommy is at some things, he's our biggest liability on what is a very talented team.

He started 4 games last year (plus the Tulsa game) and had 8 interceptions that year.

As you pointed out, he's played 3.5 games this year and has 9 TOs.

It's killing us and putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on our defense to win every game.

You guys shouldn't kid yourselves and say Tommy won that game on the final drive. We should have never needed a final minute TD against the worst passing defense in college football. The defense won that game.

I'm all for putting Crist back in. He had one bad half in the first game of the season (not to mention his first game back from surgery).

Tommy had 2 of them today against an awful passing defense in the 4th game of his second season in the system.

Amen to that altough I will take any other QB at this point. Leaving Tommy in there is like leaving Goodman in on punts even when he fumbles. I would be more outspoken but don't want the wrah of a few people who will take a win and overlook our continued problems. I am waiting for a TO every time Tommy still has the ball in his hands. His TO to TD ratio is a joke especially when you tak einto account that most of his passes are sort ball control types. He is not making long bomb connections like Jimmy used to. If we have to leave Tommy in there please run the wildcat, and some more creative plays that get the ball out of his hands.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I'm absolutely destroyed.....We won today.

Jesus...get it together people.

 

[frankygoes69]

Question? Who won the game? Was it Sinseri? Was it Mark May? Everyone and I mean everyone is entitled to a rough game, which is what Reese had. I mean come one. No one is perfect. It's a team sport and the whole team allowend points from the other team.

Ask yourself this. would you be able to allow less, would you be able to coach better, would you be able to walk away from a victory and say we suck? Put your heads on straight and realize that we are who we are. G@D! Garbagenesss.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

I agree with a lot of the assessments of Tommy above. However, I can't hang all this on him. The coaching staff needed to do a better job of getting Floyd in to the mix and Michael needed to do a better job of getting open.

Great receivers find a way. Yes, it took a while before other receivers got in to the mix to take pressure off Floyd, but he simply has to do a better job of finding openings or beating his coverage.

Hats off to the defense. The way the played was pretty dang good. A few bad plays. Fox got beat bad on a few plays. Gary Gray fell down on the long run by Graham. But all in all, they played great and kept us in the game.

A win is a win. I texted NDinL.A. in the fourth quarter and said if Tommy came back out on the next series I would turn the game off. Well, I kept watching and got to see the game winning drive.

I'll take it, but games like this take years off my life! I'm only 39, but a few more games like this and I will start to look like dshans!

 

[koonja]

Question? Who won the game? Was it Sinseri? Was it Mark May? Everyone and I mean everyone is entitled to a rough game, which is what Reese had. I mean come one. No one is perfect. It's a team sport and the whole team allowend points from the other team.

Ask yourself this. would you be able to allow less, would you be able to coach better, would you be able to walk away from a victory and say we suck? Put your heads on straight and realize that we are who we are. G@D! Garbagenesss.

So let's take out today's game because he played bad.

Then, this year, he has 7 TOs in 2.5 games. Better?

We cannot live with a TO happy QB. Tommy may throw the best ball on the team but we're asking our defense to literally win every game. Every time we turn it over it's putting more possessions, more minutes, and more pressure on our defense, which is playing great, by the way.

 

[BeatSC]

I'm absolutely destroyed.....We won today.

Jesus...get it together people.

You do have some of the best non-verbal responses. Not sure where you come up with these but keep em coming.

 

[koonja]

You do have some of the best non-verbal responses. Not sure where you come up with these but keep em coming.

Lol, agreed.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I'll see what I can do.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

So let's take out today's game because he played bad.

Then, this year, he has 7 TOs in 2.5 games. Better?

We cannot live with a TO happy QB. Tommy may throw the best ball on the team but we're asking our defense to literally win every game. Every time we turn it over it's putting more possessions, more minutes, and more pressure on our defense, which is playing great, by the way.

this

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I love your post but I've seen enough. I don't have to see anymore TOs to know that as good as Tommy is at some things, he's our biggest liability on what is a very talented team.

He started 4 games last year (plus the Tulsa game) and had 8 interceptions that year.

As you pointed out, he's played 3.5 games this year and has 9 TOs.

It's killing us and putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on our defense to win every game.

You guys shouldn't kid yourselves and say Tommy won that game on the final drive. We should have never needed a final minute TD against the worst passing defense in college football. The defense won that game.

I'm all for putting Crist back in. He had one bad half in the first game of the season (not to mention his first game back from surgery).

Tommy had 2 of them today against an awful passing defense in the 4th game of his second season in the system.

And when Dayne undoubtedly fails, go back to Tommy? Dayne has done absolutley nothing in his career at ND to make anyone believe that he is the better optioin. You really honestly believe he'd play better then Tommy? I think he'd be light years worse. He stands on the field with this blank clueless look on his face, he is a great practice QB, and even better at telling people how he wants another shot, but the game has passed him by. If we are going to pull Rees, then we should scrap the season, and get either Golson or Hendrix 8 games under their belt for next season.

Yes. We have QB problems. Yes our QB problems have cost us. But, the answer needs atleast another year under his belt before he can be atleast somewhat effective in our system. Dayne Crist is not the answer, and niether is Tommy Rees. But Rees is the best of what we have got.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The worst part about it is that Rees's strength is supposed to be as a "game manager." If he's making terrible throws it's tough to see what he brings to the table.

 

[Ludzil#1]

Tommy Rees has turned the ball over way too much. Nine turnovers in 4 games should not give any Irish fans optimism. After a 2-2 start it is obvious Notre Dame does not have a QB Brian Kelly has faith in. Whether any one likes it or not, Danye Crist needs to see the field again. Tommy Rees has turned the ball over 9 times. He has had 14 quarters of football to lead, Danye has only gotten 2 quarters. I am just happy we played PITT, who has one of the worst pass defenses in the country.

GO IRISH!

 

[koonja]

And when Dayne undoubtedly fails, go back to Tommy? Dayne has done absolutley nothing in his career at ND to make anyone believe that he is the better optioin. You really honestly believe he'd play better then Tommy? I think he'd be light years worse. He stands on the field with this blank clueless look on his face, he is a great practice QB, and even better at telling people how he wants another shot, but the game has passed him by. If we are going to pull Rees, then we should scrap the season, and get either Golson or Hendrix 8 games under their belt for next season.

Yes. We have QB problems. Yes our QB problems have cost us. But, the answer needs atleast another year under his belt before he can be atleast somewhat effective in our system. Dayne Crist is not the answer, and niether is Tommy Rees. But Rees is the best of what we have got.

It's not a given that Dayne Fails. There's a reason BK chose him to start over Rees after having the whole summer to evaluate them. Yes, he pulled him for a bad half, but Rees has proven over a period of time that he is going to turn the ball over every game.

I'm willing to live with BK giving Crist another chance rather than watch Rees throw 2/3 INTs per game and just pray that the defense keeps us in it.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

It's not a given that Dayne Fails. There's a reason BK chose him to start over Rees after having the whole summer to evaluate them. Yes, he pulled him for a bad half, but Rees has proven over a period of time that he is going to turn the ball over every game.

I'm willing to live with BK giving Crist another chance rather than watch Rees throw 2/3 INTs per game and just pray that the defense keeps us in it.

Nothing's going to happen guys. We're coming up on an "easier" game this week. This will either serve as a confidence builder for him or we'll know we need to move in a different direction.

 

[BeatSC]

It's not a given that Dayne Fails. There's a reason BK chose him to start over Rees after having the whole summer to evaluate them. Yes, he pulled him for a bad half, but Rees has proven over a period of time that he is going to turn the ball over every game.

I'm willing to live with BK giving Crist another chance rather than watch Rees throw 2/3 INTs per game and just pray that the defense keeps us in it.

Dayne go the ball into the red zone 3 times on the first 4 drives against USF and looked great if youexclude the brain fart pass into the endzone. He can use his legs and I don't think he throws 2+ ints in every game. Deserves another shot. What would his record be if the D had sowed up in a few more of is games last year? His BC game, Mich St. game, Purdue game and UM game were better than anything Tommy has put on the field this year.

 

[koonja]

Nothing's going to happen guys. We're coming up on an "easier" game this week. This will either serve as a confidence builder for him or we'll know we need to move in a different direction.

Sounds like a great game for Crist to ease back in to the starting role without much pressure

I'm going to get off, I'll argue for a QB change for the rest of my night.

Glad we won today,

Go Irish!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Sounds like a great game for Crist to ease back in to the starting role without much pressure

I'm going to get off, I'll argue for a QB change for the rest of my night.

Glad we won today,

Go Irish!

Hahaha... Have a good one, brah. Go Irish!!!!!!

 

[Irish Man3]

As long as we continue to play pro style offenses or mediocre spread offenses, we will continue to be in games until the end. Our defense has won us every game that Tommy has started except Michigan this year. Tommy Rees supporters can throw the 6-1 stat out there all day, but that is misguided. Tommy Rees did not win the game for ND today. He was the reason it was as close as it was. Tommy Rees did not beat USC last year, the defense did along with a monster last drive lead by.... the running game.

 

[irishff1014]

As long as we continue to play pro style offenses or mediocre spread offenses, we will continue to be in games until the end. Our defense has won us every game that Tommy has started except Michigan this year. Tommy Rees supporters can throw the 6-1 stat out there all day, but that is misguided. Tommy Rees did not win the game for ND today. He was the reason it was as close as it was. Tommy Rees did not beat USC last year, the defense did along with a monster last drive lead by.... the running game.

Thank god

 

[Irish Fam]

As long as we continue to play pro style offenses or mediocre spread offenses, we will continue to be in games until the end. Our defense has won us every game that Tommy has started except Michigan this year. Tommy Rees supporters can throw the 6-1 stat out there all day, but that is misguided. Tommy Rees did not win the game for ND today. He was the reason it was as close as it was. Tommy Rees did not beat USC last year, the defense did along with a monster last drive lead by.... the running game.

I really don't want to come across as a Rees supporter, because frankly I'm not, but the go ahead drive was pretty nice. Pitt had a great defensive gameplan and our young quarterback was rattled. Things like that will happen. In the end, Tommy had what was necessary to get the win. Thats enough for me.

 

[Irish Man3]

I really don't want to come across as a Rees supporter, because frankly I'm not, but the go ahead drive was pretty nice. Pitt had a great defensive gameplan and our young quarterback was rattled. Things like that will happen. In the end, Tommy had what was necessary to get the win. Thats enough for me.

Please explain to me what the great defensive gameplan was? Double Michael Floyd? The defense wasn't that great. Example off the top of my head, the pick he threw that was intended for Eifert..... Eifert was WIDE OPEN five seconds before the pass was released. Rees just waitied to long and stared down Eifert when he was ready to make the pass.

This is not a good defense. They've been picked apart by lesser talented teams. Im just not impressed with Rees. Haven't been since day one.

 

[irishff1014]

Nothing's going to happen guys. We're coming up on an "easier" game this week. This will either serve as a confidence builder for him or we'll know we need to move in a different direction.

I can tell you with out this game we need to go in a different direction

 

[arrowryan]

Please explain to me what the great defensive gameplan was? Double Michael Floyd? The defense wasn't that great. Example off the top of my head, the pick he threw that was intended for Eifert..... Eifert was WIDE OPEN five seconds before the pass was released. Rees just waitied to long and stared down Eifert when he was ready to make the pass.

This is not a good defense. They've been picked apart by lesser talented teams. Im just not impressed with Rees. Haven't been since day one.

Pitt had a good defensive gameplan. It seemed that their gameplan was to put pressure on Rees and take Floyd out of the game. They did both of those things.

 

[pkt77242]

As long as we continue to play pro style offenses or mediocre spread offenses, we will continue to be in games until the end. Our defense has won us every game that Tommy has started except Michigan this year. Tommy Rees supporters can throw the 6-1 stat out there all day, but that is misguided. Tommy Rees did not win the game for ND today. He was the reason it was as close as it was. Tommy Rees did not beat USC last year, the defense did along with a monster last drive lead by.... the running game.

This is a crazy post. Um go back and look at Tommy's stats last year from Miami, Utah and Army and tell me that defense won those games. Yes, our defense played well but they didn't win those games for us.