Refs...

[Jonstradamus]

Is it just me or does it seem like these refs (from our opponents Conference) are making some bad judgement calls, usually going against ND.

Example 1 (of many)- Sunseri sack, throw away while being down, and parallel with the turf, was called incomplete, and not grounding. They later replayed it and counted the sack with no penalty. (it may not be a grounding penalty, I'm not 100% sure)

Overall it seems ND gets a raw deal.... Fact or Fiction?

 

[Riddickulous]

You picked the worst example.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

The play i was upset at ...was the roughing the punter call. IMO that was not the personal foul variety.

 

[Junkhead]

Example 1 (of many)- Sunseri sack, throw away while being down, and parallel with the turf, was called incomplete, and not grounding. They later replayed it and counted the sack with no penalty. (it may not be a grounding penalty, I'm not 100% sure)

Overall it seems ND gets a raw deal.... Fact or Fiction?

They did give ND the sack after the replay, how is that a bad call for us?

 

[IrishLax]

I thought we got a pretty fair shake. A couple very borderline calls (roughing the kicker... when he was barely knicked, pass interference on Gary Gray, etc.) but we didn't get get totally hosed like how we have in the past.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Over the past few years I feel we've been reamed by the referees. Against the BIG 10 in particular.
This season, not so.
Every game has been fairly called so far.


The refs had IMO, only one poor and one questionable call today.
The poor call was "roughing" the kicker should have been a "running" into the kicker penalty.
The questionable call was pass interference on Gray in the endzone. looked like solid coverage AND he turned his head for the ball.

 

[MacIrish75]

I thought this crew was good today.

 

[EifertPower]

Is it just me or does it seem like these refs (from our opponents Conference) are making some bad judgement calls, usually going against ND.

Example 1 (of many)- Sunseri sack, throw away while being down, and parallel with the turf, was called incomplete, and not grounding. They later replayed it and counted the sack with no penalty. (it may not be a grounding penalty, I'm not 100% sure)

Overall it seems ND gets a raw deal.... Fact or Fiction?

This was the wrong game to complain about the refs being against ND. Refs called a fair game. In fact, i could have seen ND get whistled for a few more penalties or late hits or pass interference.

I thought the 3rd and 1 play late in the game where ND stuffed them they gave Pitt a generous spot which gave them the first down but other than that they were fair. Heck, on the play before they didn't whistle the Pitt receiver for forward progress.

If they really wanted to screw with us then they would've cheated us on the spot on the 4th and 1 with under a minute left.

 

[Jonstradamus]

They did give ND the sack after the replay, how is that a bad call for us?

I'm talking about the initial call.

In his judgement it was an incomplete pass when it should have been grounding or sack.

 

[anarin]

The only thing I thought was bad was the Gray interference call.

 

[Dizzyphil]

As some of you know I referee football, soccer and basketball at the high school level and some NAIA. Again, I will reiterate, what you see as the viewer on television is above the play and the luxury of multiple camera views and some slow motion. As a ref, you see at eye level and real speed. You can only call what you see, not what you think happened or could have happened. Do I always agree with what I see on tv??? No but, I too am seeing at a different angle than those on the field. I believe this year calls have been excellent throughout NDs games.

Diz

 

[meowmix]

Does anyone else think Tommy's fumble should've been an incomplete pass? It looked like he was shoveling it to Cierre. A stupid play nonetheless, but still, an incompletion's better than a fumble

 

[meowmix]

But overall, I think the refereeing, not only in this game, but the whole season, has been excellent. (It's a damn good thing we didn't have Big 10 refs against UM)

 

[Veer option]

But overall, I think the refereeing, not only in this game, but the whole season, has been excellent.

Agreed.

 

[jason_h537]

This is in your heads. There are always bad games but no one starts thread when ND gets calls. They are only human

 

[PJWhitfield]

The call on the punt was blown. Here's what the NCAA 2009 rule book says (latest one I have and I think it is still good on this issue): 3. Incidental contact with a kicker or holder is not a foul.
4. The kicker and holder must be protected from injury, but contact
that occurs when or after a scrimmage kick has been touched is not
roughing or running into the kicker or holder. N.D. contact was incidental.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Th roughing the kicker call was a joke..

 

[Dizzyphil]

The call on the punt was blown. Here's what the NCAA 2009 rule book says (latest one I have and I think it is still good on this issue): 3. Incidental contact with a kicker or holder is not a foul.
4. The kicker and holder must be protected from injury, but contact
that occurs when or after a scrimmage kick has been touched is not
roughing or running into the kicker or holder. N.D. contact was incidental.

Incidental in in the rule book as been taught and described to officials as being - blocked into, mistaken, or blind.... in other words not by one's own intent. He was going after the punt block and dove over a blocker... wasn't blocked into, was not misguided, nor was he not seeing where he was going... I wouldn't have called it incidental, he was going for the block and on his own actually went into the kicker.

Th roughing the kicker call was a joke..

Not neccesarily a joke but, should have been running into, the 5 yarder. I do agree they should have taken an extra minute to discuss that it really wasn't the 15 yard personal foul degree.

Additionally, we got the same call. You can't have one or the other. you can't have it biased to one side.

Diz

 

[CarrollVermin]

I have a question. There was a play in the second half were Pitt had the ball, their center had his hand on the ball but they were not set. At the same time, one of the Pitt WR's was walking back to the line, but he was walking amongst our LB's. Is this a penalty? Just curious...

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Th roughing the kicker call was a joke..

That was BS...running into at the MOST.

 

[arrowryan]

That was definately not a roughing the kicker. If anything, it should've been a running into the kicker and it still should've been 4 and long. But why are we still complaing about the refs? Shouldn't we be used to it by now?

 

[Dizzyphil]

I have a question. There was a play in the second half were Pitt had the ball, their center had his hand on the ball but they were not set. At the same time, one of the Pitt WR's was walking back to the line, but he was walking amongst our LB's. Is this a penalty? Just curious...

Anyone can move, re-align or motion before the linemen are set.
The offense must set before the play - all players must take their positions and remain motionless for at least 1 second before the ball is snapped.
So, at least one second before the ball is snapped, anyone can actually move around. Now, after the line is 'set', no one can move toward the line of scimage during the snap and only one can move in 'motion'.

Diz

 

[BeatSC]

Incidental in in the rule book as been taught and described to officials as being - blocked into, mistaken, or blind.... in other words not by one's own intent. He was going after the punt block and dove over a blocker... wasn't blocked into, was not misguided, nor was he not seeing where he was going... I wouldn't have called it incidental, he was going for the block and on his own actually went into the kicker.



Not neccesarily a joke but, should have been running into, the 5 yarder. I do agree they should have taken an extra minute to discuss that it really wasn't the 15 yard personal foul degree.

Additionally, we got the same call. You can't have one or the other. you can't have it biased to one side.

Diz

we got the 5 yarder and they got the 15. MAde all the difference for them. 5 yards and they still have to punt.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I was actually mentally prepared to blame the refs had ND lost -- that call of roughing wasn't even running into. The defender slid under/past the punter, and then the side of the punter's foot made contact on its comedown. This would be a blown call if it were a foul in basketball.

And it really kept them in the game. Without that I kinda feel like we start running all over them with a lead.

We did get a similar running into call earlier that I didn't think was legit either, though.

 

[Dizzyphil]

we got the 5 yarder and they got the 15. MAde all the difference for them. 5 yards and they still have to punt.

Don't disagree with you bud, like I said earlier, wish they would have taken the extra minute to discuss and made it a 5 yarder as well.

Diz

 

[Dizzyphil]

I was actually mentally prepared to blame the refs had ND lost -- that call of roughing wasn't even running into. The defender slid under/past the punter, and then the side of the punter's foot made contact on its comedown. This would be a blown call if it were a foul in basketball.

And it really kept them in the game. Without that I kinda feel like we start running all over them with a lead.

We did get a similar running into call earlier that I didn't think was legit either, though.

It was close but..

It's not reviewable. They see this in real time and from a different angle. As a ref, I'm booed, cussed, and asked to step outside the playing arena more than I like and some I wouldn't want to see in my worst nightmare!!!! But the fact is, there has to be someone calling the fouls and keeping the game fair. Nobody is perfect.

Diz

 

[nd1989]

Thought the refs were fine. The punt was questionable, but the player can't dive and go under the punter. That's coaching. The player should come in from the side.

Other than that, I thought the refs were good. Gray needs to turn earlier. He just doesn't looks natural back there. I thought they had a good placement on the 4th and inches. i thought they did a good job.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Can anyone name a game we can say the bad calls went our way? I think we have become numb to bad calls so much we are ok with a few bad calls against us. Do you see them going the other way too? Two easy bad calls this year that jump out are the roughing the kicker and the over celebration in the endzone against msu. Both were flagrantly bad in the wrong direction and each affected the game. All conferences have their offals. Why don't we? Why can't we walk from a game and say "man a few calls went our way"?

 

[GowerND11]

To the OP, the initial call of an incomplete pass was actually correct (in terms of no intentional grounding). There was a reciever within the area of the pass. One of the sideline judges came up and pointed to the reciever to indicate he was there close to the ball. But as we know it was a sack, which we can all agree was the overall CORRECT call.

 

[jason_h537]

To the OP, the initial call of an incomplete pass was actually correct (in terms of no roughing the passer). There was a reciever within the area of the pass. One of the sideline judges came up and pointed to the reciever to indicate he was there close to the ball. But as we know it was a sack, which we can all agree was the overall CORRECT call.

This. I was calling for a grounding flag until I saw the replay.