Press Conference 9-6-2011

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I'm so freaking tired of the "is Kelly right or wrong to yell at the players" conversation. It's been discussed ad nauseum and literally every angle and opinion has been discussed. It was interesting for approximately 3 minutes. Let's all just agree to disagree and focus on Michigan.
 

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Just rewatched 1st half of the game. Crist honestly didn't play as bad as I remembered. Lots of drops and a couple inaccurate passes to go with a couple poor reads. That one pick in the endzone was awful, but beyond that I wouldn't grade his performance anything worse than a B-.

Sadly, I did not set my DVR to record Versus in anticipation of 2 hour rain delays and can't watch Rees. Is there anywhere to watch the replay online?

I agree with you, i re watched the game and Crist had a REALLY GOOD 1st quarter and it all fell apart after the interception. But the team looked much more quicker and in sync with Tommy and hopefully that continues into Saturday night
 

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You can definitely tell BK was in politics by his non answer about Jonas Gray.

Reporter asked Where is your confidence with Jonas Gray? and BK at first responded by repeating part of the question back ..... hmmmm ..... never a good sign .... BK was obviously buying a little time to come up with a response. His response was "He's going to have to go out there and play" and "We're not going to sit him down".

Translation: I don't have a lot of confidence in Jonas Gray but I really don't have many other options so I'm forced to play him
 

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You can definitely tell BK was in politics by his non answer about Jonas Gray.

Reporter asked Where is your confidence with Jonas Gray? and BK at first responded by repeating part of the question back ..... hmmmm ..... never a good sign .... BK was obviously buying a little time to come up with a response. His response was "He's going to have to go out there and play" and "We're not going to sit him down".

Translation: I don't have a lot of confidence in Jonas Gray but I really don't have many other options so I'm forced to play him

He has basically said the same thing about Theo (re: punt returns) and Turk. He has a point. Those guys are just going to have to get over it and play. There aren't better alternatives right now. Maybe that knowledge will help calm them down. Its like a pitcher getting lit up in the top of the first, and after the first six guys have reached base there is still nobody warming in the pen. You have to figure out a way to get through it.

I can relate to that, actually. I think we've all been in that situation. There is nobody coming to save you. Figure it out.
 

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I am not going to second guess Kelly's treatment of the players in any way. The man has spent countless hours with his players and I trust him to know the psyche of his team.

As with a lot of apsects of ND football, people are quick to make judgements based on the couple of hours we see of the team each game week. That is such a small fraction of the time these coaches and players actually spend together that I cannot make an adequate determination of what Kelly should or shouldn't do with his players.

I bet if you add up all the time during that game Kelly spent yelling at his players it would add up to a few minutes - at most. What about the other hours, days, weeks that they have been around each other just since the start of Fall camp?

You don't ascend to the level Kelly is at professionally without having an intimate understanding of sports and interpersonal psychology. Let alone "berating players" and "strippng them of their dignity".

You cannot claim to have any quality insight in to the inner workings of the team based on what you see on NBC 12 or 13 Saturdays a year. Some players need that kind of yelling, some don't. I trust Kelly to know which is which.
 

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BK apologized in today's press conference and said he needs to control his emotion on the sidelines. I find it interesting though that he said this because "he needs to be more aware of the camera being on him...and he isn't used to the camera being on him so much." He said nothing about controlling his emotion for the saks of the players. I don't think he needs to worry too much though. He frustrated as were all of us. I would consider this a slip up at worst, not any type of character flaw. This is Notre Dame football. Emotions are bound to run high.

wtf? this is football dammit!!!! if he isn't screaming at people, how the heck is he supposed to motivate this team. we should demand a coach who screams until he turns colors on the sidelines. it is just unAmerican to have a coach who doesn't yell like a maniac!!! is he soft or something?

Seriously, props to BK for acknowledging he needs to control his emotions. shame on the apologists for his poor behavior.
 

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Seriously, props to BK for acknowledging he needs to control his emotions.

He didn't apologize for yelling. He said he needs to realize that he's frequently on camera during games.

shame on the apologists for his poor behavior.

Shame on the moralizing self-righteous blowhards who continue to pretend that Kelly is coaching Pop Warner.
 

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He didn't apologize for yelling. He said he needs to realize that he's frequently on camera during games.



Shame on the moralizing self-righteous blowhards who continue to pretend that Kelly is coaching Pop Warner.

He admitted he shouldn't lose control (which he did by screaming) on national television. Me and Kelly agree.
 
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He admitted he shouldn't lose control (which he did by screaming) on national television. Me and Kelly agree.

I admitted that it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with his motivational tactics. You're the one who continues to arrogantly act like your position is the only reasonable one, and you continue to post completely obnoxious and unnecessary things like "shame on those who previously argued with me."
 
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He admitted he shouldn't lose control (which he did by screaming) on national television. Me and Kelly agree.

Disagree. I'm a little disappointed in Kelly if he did apologize or anything approaching that. There is nothing wrong with a football coach yelling during a football game. It is a little weird looking, but there is nothing wrong with it. There is, however, something seriously wrong with all of the people getting bent out of shape about it.
 
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He didn't apologize for yelling. He said he needs to realize that he's frequently on camera during games.



Shame on the moralizing self-righteous blowhards who continue to pretend that Kelly is coaching Pop Warner.

That's what I'm screamin'....

See what I did there? ;)
 

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This debate is so ****ing dumb. Ignoring Jeff Jackson for a second because I've never interacted with him... the other two most successful men's sports coaches at Notre Dame (Mike Brey and Kevin Corrigan) are no better than Kelly. In fact, they might be far worse.

I've seen Corrigan get a handful of penalties for verbally abusing a referee... and I've stood feet away as he berates a kid for a very minor mistake like going offside. Same thing applies to Mike Brey. He gets T'd up all the time and is not soft on players either.

People thinking Kelly is "out of control" are simply naieve. Don't give me **** about how you've played sports or coached or whatever. I'm saying that among ND coaches (and I'm guessing prime time nationwide coaches) Kelly's intensity is NOT out of line and is NOT unique to him. It just so happens we had so many ridiculous mistakes in one game that he went from one scolding to the next to the next to the next.

Go look at any coach whose team turns it over inside the 10 yard line. Or muffs a punt. Or does something else incredibly costly and stupid. Hell, go look at Nick Saban against KENT FREAKING STATE losing his cool. Or listen to Rex Ryan for all of 2 minutes during a game/practice.

Get a clue and stop being such choir boys about a coach's temper. Kelly is NOTHING compared to some things I've seen on opposing sidelines. The only difference is that NBC has a camera permanently trained on him and doesn't on the other guys.

We enable ND haters to be haters by perpetuating problems that shouldn't exist. Don't you remember the HBO special where they tried to paint Charlie as a bad guy because he cursed at practice? Well, good job bringing back the remix of that.
 

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I admitted that it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with his motivational tactics. You're the one who continues to arrogantly act like your position is the only reasonable one, and you continue to post completely obnoxious and unnecessary things "shame on those who previously argued with me."

If we took a poll of who's the real jackass here, I'm pretty confident you'd win hands down, buddy.

it doesn't really have anything to do with me acting like my position is the only reasonable one. the man you are defending said he was wrong. I'm going to take him at his word. Suggest you do the same.
 

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it doesn't really have anything to do with me acting like my position is the only reasonable one. the man you are defending said he was wrong. I'm going to take him at his word. Suggest you do the same.

Admitting it's unwise to do something on camera is not the same as admitting it's wrong. If you can't appreciate that distinction, you're beyond my help.
 

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People thinking Kelly is "out of control" are simply naieve. Don't give me **** about how you've played sports or coached or whatever. I'm saying that among ND coaches (and I'm guessing prime time nationwide coaches) Kelly's intensity is NOT out of line and is NOT unique to him. It just so happens we had so many ridiculous mistakes in one game that he went from one scolding to the next to the next to the next.

This is a really important point. I wouldn't have a problem with a coach yelling regardless of the circumstance, but in light of what was going on this past Saturday I have to ask you great moralizers: how the hell would you prefer a coach respond to what was going on? I'm glad I didn't have cameras on me. If you show me a coach that will stand stoically on the sideline as the disastrous penalties and turnovers mount like they were for ND against USF, I will show you a coach that won't be around for long.
 

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Of course it is. Why would it be unwise to do it on camera if it wasn't wrong? give me a break.

Things that would be bad on camera/public but fine otherwise:

1. Taking a sh*t.
2. Correcting a superior at work.
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I could seriously come up with a list of about 500 things.
 

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Things that would be bad on camera/public but fine otherwise:

1. Taking a sh*t.
2. Correcting a superior at work.
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I could seriously come up with a list of about 500 things.

where would screaming at a teenager fall on the list?
 

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Things that would be bad on camera/public but fine otherwise:

1. Taking a sh*t.
2. Correcting a superior at work.
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I could seriously come up with a list of about 500 things.

3. Disciplining your children.
4. Looking at pornography
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Of course it is. Why would it be unwise to do it on camera if it wasn't wrong? give me a break.

Um...because if he hadn't done it on camera he wouldn't have to be wasting time answering idiotic questions about it when he has more important things to worry about. Like football.
 

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Of course it is. Why would it be unwise to do it on camera if it wasn't wrong? give me a break.

There are lots of people who, right or wrong, feel that Kelly, as the head coach of the ND football team, represents them to some degree: whether it be as a Catholic, as an alumnus of the University, etc.

Some of these people are in a position to make Kelly's life more difficult when he does something they disagree with it. So regardless of right or wrong, it's in Kelly's interest to avoid pissing them off.

Yelling at players on the sideline, which virtually everyone on this board agrees is completely normal and acceptable behavior for a coach in Kelly's position, is apparently beyond the pale at ND. Thus, Kelly will save himself some grief by holding the tongue lashings in less public surroundings.

If he believed it was "wrong", he would stop yelling at players altogether. He doesn't believe it's wrong, but understands it's not worth the grief he'll endure as a result, so he'll simply refrain from doing it on a televised sideline. Big difference.

You've never once argued that you simply want Kelly to stop yelling at kids on camera because it makes the University look bad, or whatever. You've been arguing all along that it's per se unacceptable to yell at kids like Kelly does. From his carefully hedged comments on the subject, it's pretty clear that he doesn't agree with you.
 

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where would screaming at a teenager fall on the list?

I'm not in your discussion with Whiskey, just pointing out there are a lot of things that aren't "wrong" but should be kept off camera.
 

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I've got no problem with Kelly getting in the face of a player to get a point across. That happens in football, if you've ever played in highschool or any level after you will have a coach get in your face at some point most likely. Lou was not above grabbing a player by the facemask and dragging him down to his level for an earful.
 

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Didn't the thread about Kelly getting in the face of players get closed because it was going no where and now it pops up here?
I hate waiting a week for games, especially after a loss.


Let's all just do this :hug:
 

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He didn't apologize for yelling. He said he needs to realize that he's frequently on camera during games.



Shame on the moralizing self-righteous blowhards who continue to pretend that Kelly is coaching Pop Warner.

Actually he said, specifically, that he needa to control his emotions. Period. He didn't say "when I'm on camera."
 
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