Thought BK went too far yesterday

[BeauBenken]

I'm not saying you can't argue whether it is an effective strategy or what have you, but I don't think any lines were crossed.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

If I was in BKs shoes i would of lost it on:

Senior Harrison Smith - 2 personal fouls
Senior Ethan Johnson - 1 personal foul
Senior Gary Gray - 1 personal foul

This is unacceptable by your leaders.

 

[clashmore_mike]

I don't think Kelly yelled enough.

 

[koonja]

If I was in BKs shoes i would of lost it on:

Senior Harrison Smith - 2 personal fouls
Senior Ethan Johnson - 1 personal foul
Senior Gary Gray - 1 personal foul

This is unacceptable by your leaders.

Agreed. We need more out of Smith and Johnson in particular. Next 2 games will tell us everything about our team.

 

[BGIF]

Did it seem to effect the outcome positively? They scored points in the second half but had two more turnovers, a missed fg and a slew of dumb penalties. Maybe Ruffer was so nervous that he missed that kick? Maybe all the personal foula were the result of playera seeing a coach losing grip and therefore losing grips themselves. Hell, I didn't see Gene Chisik freaking out as him team was poised to lose to Utah State, I don't see Chris Peterson freak out. While I do think that the coddling of the youth of this country is ridiculous, it is also reality. So Kelly can go recruit nothing but coaches kids or kids who with stern upbringings. But until this team is comprised entirely of his type of recruits, he has to deal with different mentalties.

No doubt your right, coddling is a reality and this generation largely grew up that way. Kelly should have handed Crist, Gray, Johnson, Riddick, and the others who muffed plays Participation Trophies and issued ALL of them Game Balls for trying.

Maybe this week Kelly can put a "Dayne 10" sticker on the rear window of his car to nurture him to make better reads and put some "touch" and "location" into his passes.

Dayne Crist with be 22 Years Old in 35 days and is a Senior at ND.
Eathan Johnson will be 22 on Dec 18th and is a Senior at ND.
Gary Gray will be 23 on January 6th and is in Graduate School.
Theo Riddick will be 21 on May 4th and is a Junior at ND.
Ben Turk will be 21 on June 5th and is a Junior at ND.
Jonas Gray will be 21 on June 27th and is a Senior at ND.
Harrison Smith will be 22 on Feb 2nd and is in Graduate School.
David Ruffer is in Graduate School.

Notice a trend here, none of them are little boys. ALL of them are skilled athletes and upperclassmen or graduates students who made bad judgements or executed poorly on one or more key occasions. They don't need someone to wipe their noses and buy them milkshakes after a lost game.



I guess I'm the only one who saw Lou humiliate a player by pulling him off the field by his face guard on national TV. None of you apparently ever saw Holtz go bonkers over a missed block or tackle, or saw him get in Tony Rice's face for making the wrong read on a pitch. Ask Randy Kinder about Holtz's level of expression - on the field. Ask the student managers's who got to pick up the thrown clip boards and headsets.

I would have preferred to see a calm Kelly yesterday. Sometimes you have to get the troops attention.

OMG, he hollered at them. Yet, he didn't grab anyone by the face guard, nor did he drag anyone off the field, did he?

Everyone of the ND coaches that has a statute erected on campus could blister paint when expressing themselves. Of course, a couple of them weren't exposed to TV coverage. The others didn't get the fishbowl coverage of multiple cameras and instant replay and producers looking for an awkward Kodak moment as a lead story.

Lest we forget we've had the "player coach", the stoic, "molder of men" coach, the NFL tough, arrogant, tell it like it is coach, and now we have one that exhibits passion at the highs and the lows.

ND rolled up over 500 yards of offense while allowing only 1 offensive TD. There were a lot, a lot of right things that happened yesterday and there were about a dozen plays where something went wrong.

IF ...

Jonas didn't get stripped,
the ball didn't bounce up to the Safety,
Crist, the mobile runner, had run that Safety out of bounds,
Floyd doesn't pull a jersey (IN FRONT OF A REF)
Ruffer makes a chip shot,
Crist and Rees don't force throws,
Receivers reach a few more inches in front of them or behind them,
Jones makes likes a receiver and LOOKS for the ball,
Riddick fields knuckleballs
...

people would be posting about the win despite adversity, about a hundred yard rusher AND two hundred yard receivers, and a defense that only allowed one TD despite poor field position too many times.

 

[ARALOU]

I thought he looked desperate and ridiculous after the first blowup. He has his style and that is fine but like it was said earlier, make your point with emphasis and move on. Prolonging the "tantrum" looks pretty crazy in my opinion. It was a string of freakish mistakes and bad bounces and also luck. A rout turned into a bad game for the Irish. With all the bad plays they were still in the game and I never felt like they were completely out of it. Hopefully all the bad plays were used up in one game. I still say Kelly's "Extended" rants on the sideline look ridiculous.

 

[koonja]

I think we'll know if it was appropriate after we see how the team comes out on Saturday. I have no doubt they have the upmost respect for him and want to play hard for him. Saturday they will prove that. I also bet he talked to each player that he yelled at individually after the game. He has a personal relationship with these kids. He knows what he's doing. Save your speculation about being too hard on them.

 

[kmoose]

like it was said earlier, make your point with emphasis and move on. Prolonging the "tantrum" looks pretty crazy in my opinion.

It's hard to make your point and move on, when by the time you are done making one point (with emphasis), another situation arises requiring an equally emphatic point be made.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I thought he looked desperate and ridiculous after the first blowup. He has his style and that is fine but like it was said earlier, make your point with emphasis and move on. Prolonging the "tantrum" looks pretty crazy in my opinion. It was a string of freakish mistakes and bad bounces and also luck. A rout turned into a bad game for the Irish. With all the bad plays they were still in the game and I never felt like they were completely out of it. Hopefully all the bad plays were used up in one game. I still say Kelly's "Extended" rants on the sideline look ridiculous.

Says the guy with the name Ara Lou.
Kelly is a selling girl scout cookies compared to those 2.

 

[koonja]

For what it's worth, TJ was yelled at as much as anyone after the helmet play. Here's his tweet:

Tai_Jones7 Tai-ler Jones
That one is behind us now. Time to learn and prepare for michigan.


Seems pretty positive about it.

 

[ARALOU]

I am not against yelling at players. I know it is a big part of football. Emotions run high during the game. I am just saying he looked kinda goofy. I am not giving up on him or the team, or season for that matter. I recall Ara and Lou showing their frustration on occasion. Never recall them looking like that. Plus I was raised in the parochial system. I had nuns and priests and football coaches hollering all the time at me. Don't ever recall them looking like someone on a WWE promo.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Put on your big girl panties and get over it. Lou Holtz was the same way and if I remember correctly drug Rocket off the field by his face mask. This is ND. If you need to coddle these kids for their mistakes, send them to USC.

 

[ARALOU]

KMA! I am just saying he looks freakin stupid. Lou didn't pull Rocket's face mask. It was a lineman. Once again, I watched both and don't recall Ara or Lou looking that ridiculous.

 

[Shillelagh Law]

Sorry but all of the arguments saying the likes of 'this is ND' are the answer to the question of why he should show a little self control, not why it is OK to scream 'CATCH THE ****ING BALL' repeatedly in someones face, scream at your line coach, scream in the face of your starting QB for 5 mins.

There was NOTHING constructive about any of that.

I bet the massively overwhelming majority of people who have been on the end of a roasting like that have had it in the services. IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

What do you think TJ Jones is gonna tweet FFS ? 'Really didnt like the way I was belittled on national TV last night' ? Same goes for the argument that no ones argues back on the sideline. What young man who wants to play football or assistant who wants to keep his job is going to try and argue back when Kelly is out of control like last night ?.

I also cant comprehend the arguments about after Willingham and Weis someone fiery is what we need at ND as this misses the point entirely. The argument is not about being fiery (I don't necessarily disagree with this), it is about Kelly losing control last night and there is no question he did, no question.

I was totally frustrated as I bet we all were last night, and I had a good shout at the PC screen all game (watching a stream as I cant get NBC). You bet Coach Kelly was frustrated but he lost control last night on a few occasions and was far worse than he has ever been - I know that, you know that and I bet he knows that.

 

[GoldenDomer87]

Some people are soft on this board. (Someone brought up that TJ's dad passed away recently, WHAT? If he needed more time, he wouldn't play. He was ready to play and shouldn't be treated differently.) I've watched multiple games since and seen EVERY coach yell at the players. Now, when Kelly yelled at TJ, nothing compared to it. However, how are you suppose to catch the ball when you don't turn for the ball. Pretty basic.

If you want to play big time football, which I think we all want ND to, you don't make those mistakes. The players need to hear it.


EDIT: ^ The yelling isn't meant as constructive. I thought that was pretty simple. It is meant to light a fire under the player's a** to get them focused.

 

[DillonHall]

I don't know whether or not Kelly went too far, but I do know that TJ will never make that mistake ever again.

 

[phork]

I don't know whether or not Kelly went too far, but I do know that TJ will never make that mistake ever again.

Do you?

Now listen.. Its not the yelling part, its part of the game. I think we all understand that. Its the parts where he followed the players around like little kids and continued to berate them. In the same argument as these are young men and not kids, then treat them like young men. I think they all know they screwed up. Chirp in their ear and have a learning moment.

 

[Shillelagh Law]

Forgot to add in the 'people are soft on this board' argument.....

You know what, all coach to player communication should be constructive. All of it.

And that wasnt a chewing out, that was belittling the guy. What about the assistant who he had a tantrum at when we got stopped on the ground ?. How is that in anyway professional, constructive or anything else you would care to add other than Kelly ranting and raving like a kid who has had his toys taken away from him ?.

It was embarassing to watch.

 

[loomis41973]

Put on your big girl panties and get over it. Lou Holtz was the same way and if I remember correctly drug Rocket off the field by his face mask. This is ND. If you need to coddle these kids for their mistakes, send them to USC.

We coddle them too much, that's why they are soft as hell.

 

[ThePiombino]

If they won, no one would be talking about Kelly's face. Just saying I think some people are deflecting the real issue here and that's ND laid a GIANT egg yesterday.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Kelly's Temper

Kelly's Temper

Hey when you lose your temper like Kelly does screaming , red in the face and eyes bugged out there is not rational thinking going on. It is pure uncontolled loss of emotional restraints with no cognitiveness. Noticed on the internet today sports reporters are already keying on his temper outbursts. Sad I am a fan of his but like Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes two superb coaches Kelly cannot afford to be equated with their hot tempers. Certainly Kelly was entitled yesterday to be mad as hell but not entitled to make a spectacle of of himself ranting and raving at his ball players. Sadly the media has become wise to his behavior and will look to hype focus on it now. He is doing nobody favors with his rants Notre Dame, his players or us fans.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Did anyone stop to think that maybe he just goes red when he's upset?
And I'd follow the kid too everything was going to hell in a hand basket every time he turned around another bad play would happen. He was begging someone to step up and no one was at that point. TJ got ripped the offense seemed to wake up after that.
Maybe he has seen TJ being more of a vocal leader in practice? And wanted him to elevate his game to validate that role.
In my experience playing it has been very rare that the coach gets on anyone but who he perceives to be a leader on the team.
I had coach who for 4 years would look for anything he could to rip me about every game.
His reasoning I played better when I was pissed off.

 

[koonja]

I cannot believe we're this deep in a thread about BK losing his temper at a team that was killing itself with mistakes. We're acting like he punched someone. My god, it's not like he went Bobby Knight. This is a joke, they're young men, they can handle it. He knows them better than we do. And he knows what he's doing.

 

[kmoose]

I agree win or loss Kelly's behavior was classless! I had a few friends watching the game with me that are fans of another team. They could not believe how many times we read his lips and he dropped the "F" bomb. What recruit wants to come play for a coach in this day and age that needs anger management classes?!?!?!

To name a few:

Aaron Lynch
Stephon Tuitt
Ishaq Williams
Tee Shepard
Ronald Darby

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The Wussification of American youth continues....

Give 'er hell, Coach.

 

[AKRowdy]

First off it's football players have to be both mentally and physically tough. Then let me ask you this, with all of the hype that Brian Kelly has been saying about the players and the improvements that they made in practice wouldn't you be mad too when they're making bonehead mistakes? Kelly knows more than us what this team is capable of doing. The statement you play like you practice comes to mind and if they were making these mistakes in practice do you think that there would've been so much hype from the coaching staff? No this game was a fluke and Brian Kelly had every right to be mad at his players in this game for their mental mistakes.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Hey c'mon Kelly was into temper tantrums last year screaming at his players then. It is only that yesterday he had more chances to throw them. It has got to the point it is known to all of us including the sports media he cannot control his hot temper. Fans stopped making excuses for Bobby Knight years ago. They don't even try he is simply a former out of control very hot tempered coach. Sorry you cannot be cogntive and emotionally screaming and ranting at the same time.

 

[military_irish]

I think people will just harp on the times he gets in the face of a player, which by the way was not after every bad play just plays he thought should have been made. ie, Jones not turning his head.

I watched the replay and Riddick dropped a wide open pass in the second half, he was pulled out of the game and stood right next to Kelly with no screaming.

But one he is caught screaming everyone will jump on it. Does he do it more than some coaches? yes. But it is not like he screams from kickoff to the end of the game.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Did anyone stop and think that pre season polls had ND ranked at #16? Had them at 10pts above SFU? Brian Kelly is completely 100% justified in yelling his face purple. He has run some really great programs in the past, and it quite obvious that when Crist is on the field the team is sluggish and unmotivated. When Rees is on the field they are ready to eat up anyone who jumps in front of them. FIVE TURNOVERS on completely ridiculous things is inexcusable. It's time for these kids to grow a set. I am sorry that they are "young men" "boys" or whatever you want to call them, regardless they are ADULTS. Bobby Knight was a **** but one HELL of a coach. Granted, throwing chairs is a little far, but yelling at players is not a big deal. If they don't like it, we can get Bob Davie back. He stood on the side lines and never had anything to say. I'm sure he's still looking for work. The point is, I've been a ND fan since I was born, it's all I know, I have SEEN this football team be unstoppable and incredibly good, I am tired of seeing the same ol same ol out of them. I was pumped for this season, but now that I have seen what they did yesterday all I have to say is losing 3 against Michigan is INEXCUSABLE. PERIOD. I love ND, but come on, enough is enough!

 

[pkt77242]

Hey when you lose your temper like Kelly does screaming , red in the face and eyes bugged out there is not rational thinking going on. It is pure uncontolled loss of emotional restraints with no cognitiveness. Noticed on the internet today sports reporters are already keying on his temper outbursts. Sad I am a fan of his but like Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes two superb coaches Kelly cannot afford to be equated with their hot tempers. Certainly Kelly was entitled yesterday to be mad as hell but not entitled to make a spectacle of of himself ranting and raving at his ball players. Sadly the media has become wise to his behavior and will look to hype focus on it now. He is doing nobody favors with his rants Notre Dame, his players or us fans.

Please tell me you aren't a psychologist?

Everyone responds to situations differently. Just because you might not be able to keep your cognitive ability about you when you get that angry doesn't mean he can't, in fact for all we know mabye he is mentally sharper when he is angry?

To give a good analogy that most of us can understand. Some people need to write a paper the night before it is due because they feed of the pressure of it being due the next day (and in fact they write better papers if they do it the night before because the pressure focuses their mind). We also know the people who need to write a paper days to weeks in advance because if they waited to the last minute they would crumble under the pressure and either not get it done or write a horrible paper.

Moral of the story is don't paint with such a wide brush and generalize.