Thought BK went too far yesterday

[irishff1014]

If they wouldn't keep Fing up he wouldn't have to yell at them.

 

[RyCo1983]

If they wouldn't keep Fing up he wouldn't have to yell at them.

INDEED!

I bet he gets em ready for next week.
They gotta come out swinging...No mercy.

If we blow the Michigan game in any fashion similar to USF...I'll go to South Bend and yell at them myself.

It's part of the way he coaches...but I just hope it's helping more than it's hurting. He does go beyond the average level of yelling a bit.

 

[BeauBenken]

I'm just saying I can't blame him when last year people were calling for his head and now his team which is ranked for a good reason is handing a game to lesser opposition.

And everybody knows you take the coach's anger with a grain of salt. You already know you ****ed up. He's just making sure you do. lol If you take it personally, you're going to play like ****. Just fix what you did wrong and move along.

 

[RyCo1983]

I'm just saying I can't blame him when last year people were calling for his head and now his team which is ranked for a good reason is handing a game to lesser opposition.

And everybody knows you take the coach's anger with a grain of salt. You already know you ****ed up. He's just making sure you do. lol If you take it personally, you're going to play like ****. Just fix what you did wrong and move along.

It's the fixing and moving along part that didn't happen yesterday. Talking about you Theo....TJ...Jonas...Dayne...
The coaches will right the ship.

 

[BeauBenken]

BTW, would we even be having this discussion if we won?

 

[clashmore_mike]

It's football.



It. Is. Football.

This is all that needs to be said.

 

[TerryTate]

I'm tired of this compaint. Get real. These kids are playing division 1 football. They've run these plays every practice for the past 3 weeks. Crist can do it consistently in practice. Kelly has stressed consistency every day.

When all of that goes to **** in the first game, of course you're going to yell. It's ****ing ridiculous. I was at the game yesterday, and I was yelling about as much as him. They can handle it. They're playing DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL. If you can't take criticism, and you're going to take everything to heart, then you don't belong on the field. Kelly is the happiest guy when you're performing well. When the players are clicking, he's the biggest cheerleader. That's how it rolls with this coach. Get over it. This is not a discussion topic. It's pointless to harp on it.

 

[kmoose]

I think some of you guys are underestimating the resiliency of 18-19-20 year old kids. And, as was pointed out, none of us knows how Kelly deals with the kids, off camera. They seem to respond well enough to him, so I've got to believe that he's not always in their grills, screaming.

 

[ryno 24]

*Raises Hand*
I played for a coach that yelled half as much as Kelly and it was innefective...but he was innefective as a whole...when he lost his position and the Dbacks coach took over the HC job there was a complete turnaround.


I'm all for yelling! It is warranted. But there is a line.
I was worried about BK's heart yesterday...He looked ready to burst. Mark Dantonio style.

Thank you for replying I just no that there was no problem when my coach went on a tirade when we could not block. his job is to win and to make us into better men.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Alot of you are missing my point. A yelling, ranting, and raving coach is not only perfectly acceptable in football, but necessary to, as many said in this thread 'instill confidence and discipline.'

*However, the locker room is the proper venue to have the full-fledged meltdowns BK was having yesterday. He can yell, kick and scream all he wants in there, but the field on gameday is past the point of no return. The players effed up, deal with it, and carry yourself like a pro until next time. You can't "break a guy down to build him back up" in minutes, it takes weeks, if not months., so that is why I felt the tirades were counter-productive.

Someone said "raise your hand if you ever played football," well, all of us who have realize how freaking hard these players work, and how it sucks when you prepare all week (in this case summer) only to shoot yourselves in the foot numerous times.

 

[BeauBenken]

Alot of you are missing my point. A yelling, ranting, and raving coach is not only perfectly acceptable in football, but necessary to, as many said in this thread 'instill confidence and discipline.'

*However, the locker room is the proper venue to have the full-fledged meltdowns BK was having yesterday. He can yell, kick and scream all he wants in there, but the field on gameday is past the point of no return. The players effed up, deal with it, and carry yourself like a pro until next time. You can't "break a guy down to build him back up" in minutes, it takes weeks, if not months., so that is why I felt the tirades were counter-productive.

Someone said "raise your hand if you ever played football," well, all of us who have realize how freaking hard these players work, and how it sucks when you prepare all week (in this case summer) only to shoot yourselves in the foot numerous times.

I actually would do this the opposite way (probably the BK way). I have to yell and make corrections on the sideline. In the locker room, I instill confidence and pump up my team to come out and be a new and better team in the second half. Why would I tear them down right before we go back out?

 

[phork]

You are the problem with America. You are probably the one handing out participation trophies to kids on teams who finished 8th in your local Pop Warner football league. BK's job at ND is to win football games, not be the players' #1 cheerleader or best friend. You are right, South Bend isn't West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs. Those are places where mentally strong men and women are, who are giving up everything to serve their county.

BK's actions are fine. This is football, not soccer. Like another poster said previously, if you can't take the heat of playing at Notre Dame, go somewhere else. Clearly, this is what Shaq Evans, and Joseph Fauria did, by choosing UCLA. Let's be honest, no one really cares if you win or lose there, just give the alums something to do before basketball starts.

At some point in time (Hopefully in the near future), society will begin punishing people for their mistakes. Until that happens, I'm sure you'll be on the sidelines ready to give TJ and Theo some fruit snacks and HI-C after their litany of mistakes.

BTW, do you really think Saban, D'Antonio, The Ole' Ball Coach, Sark, Mike Gundy, Bo Pelini, or Bobby Petrino don't lay in to their players?

Bo Pelini Not Happy - YouTube

No, in fact as a coach in several youth leagues I can't stand rewarding mediocrity. All I am saying is there is a time and place for those things. I am not whats wrong with America since I am Canadian. And in fact there is nothing wrong with Canada.

Actually Neuhiesal lays into his players just as bad as BK, especially the QB.

And thats working out just great for Ricky boy.

BTW, would we even be having this discussion if we won?

Yes. If he had done the same thing.

 

[NDMontana]

I think some of you guys are underestimating the resiliency of 18-19-20 year old kids. And, as was pointed out, none of us knows how Kelly deals with the kids, off camera. They seem to respond well enough to him, so I've got to believe that he's not always in their grills, screaming.

I agree to a point with you and definitely agree with whomever said that the eight place trophies are what is wrong with kids today.

However, yelling only goes so far and the people saying these guys are playing D1 football and they need to handle it are wrong. Look at your own lives. I know of one department at my employer that is staffed entirely by college educated people age 30-60 and they get berated by the boss for minor mistakes that do not even matter. In employee surveys they consistantly rank dead last in morale, sick days and productivity. Moreover they hate coming to work and are terrified to submit work. But you people think 18-23 year-old kids somehow are made of steel both physically and emotionally just because they play D1 football? Get real. Did it look to anyone like that team took well to Kelly's reactions yesterday? I sure as hell didn't see that. Hell I'm starting to wonder if the last four games last year went so well because when Kelly turned to Rees he figured the season was over anyway.
And if the thought is that he treats them differently behind closed doors, I doubt it. I had to go on a beer run right after Gray's fumble and the radio team commented that "all kidding aside, we may not see Jonas Gray again for two or three weeks, maybe all season". Obviously that wasn't true but don't be surprised if Kelly kept using Gray because the other backs didn't get enough reps in fall practice....I bet they get more reps this week. Clearly it probably doesn't send great message that a guy who hasn't seen live game action in 11 months is benched after one mediocre half (Crist wasn't terrible) and his ND career is now effectively over.

 

[enrico514]

Alot of you are missing my point. A yelling, ranting, and raving coach is not only perfectly acceptable in football, but necessary to, as many said in this thread 'instill confidence and discipline.'

*However, the locker room is the proper venue to have the full-fledged meltdowns BK was having yesterday. He can yell, kick and scream all he wants in there, but the field on gameday is past the point of no return. The players effed up, deal with it, and carry yourself like a pro until next time. You can't "break a guy down to build him back up" in minutes, it takes weeks, if not months., so that is why I felt the tirades were counter-productive.

Someone said "raise your hand if you ever played football," well, all of us who have realize how freaking hard these players work, and how it sucks when you prepare all week (in this case summer) only to shoot yourselves in the foot numerous times.

Hate to break it to you but this is not how you deal with high level athletes. BK knows what he is doing... they screw up and he's all over them so that they thoroughly understand what they are doing is unacceptable. Christ's interception in the end zone and the way TJ ran his route are unacceptable at this level (and lower). But usually, after the moment is passed he moves on and shows them confidence and that is exactly how he should handle it. Yelling after a player long after the mistake is done is useless. This is big time football... not a kindergarden butterfly catching competition!

 

[BeauBenken]

Yes. If he had done the same thing.

I really don't believe you.

 

[Irish To The Core]

The world has all turned into a Hallmark moment around me. NCAA football is not 9 year old girls soccer. This is high end competitive sports and ALL these guys have been yelled at.

I played some ball in my day and if I ran a route and was open but forgot to fricking look...I would expect to be yelled at! It is the level at which "teaching moments" occur.

I am sick of these "Kelly was awfully loud today..." posts.

 

[enrico514]

I agree to a point with you and definitely agree with whomever said that the eight place trophies are what is wrong with kids today.

However, yelling only goes so far and the people saying these guys are playing D1 football and they need to handle it are wrong. Look at your own lives. I know of one department at my employer that is staffed entirely by college educated people age 30-60 and they get berated by the boss for minor mistakes that do not even matter. In employee surveys they consistantly rank dead last in morale, sick days and productivity. Moreover they hate coming to work and are terrified to submit work. But you people think 18-23 year-old kids somehow are made of steel both physically and emotionally just because they play D1 football? Get real. Did it look to anyone like that team took well to Kelly's reactions yesterday? I sure as hell didn't see that. Hell I'm starting to wonder if the last four games last year went so well because when Kelly turned to Rees he figured the season was over anyway.
And if the thought is that he treats them differently behind closed doors, I doubt it. I had to go on a beer run right after Gray's fumble and the radio team commented that "all kidding aside, we may not see Jonas Gray again for two or three weeks, maybe all season". Obviously that wasn't true but don't be surprised if Kelly kept using Gray because the other backs didn't get enough reps in fall practice....I bet they get more reps this week. Clearly it probably doesn't send great message that a guy who hasn't seen live game action in 11 months is benched after one mediocre half (Crist wasn't terrible) and his ND career is now effectively over.

You're comparing apples to oranges... D1 football can't be compared to our own work lives!

Furthermore... the mistakes I saw yesterday were NOT minor from a football standpoint. As for Christ being pulled... other players expect the coach to put in the QB that gives them the best chance of winning. I like Christ and think he's the superior athlete but the offence does seem to click better with Tommy. I wanted to see Christ succeed based on all he's had to overcome but he seems really tense out there which most likely impact other players on the field with him. I probably would not have pulled him out so soon but came blame the coach for doing so either.

 

[crzychris]

I actually would do this the opposite way (probably the BK way). I have to yell and make corrections on the sideline. In the locker room, I instill confidence and pump up my team to come out and be a new and better team in the second half. Why would I tear them down right before we go back out?

+1

While I have no problem with BK yelling at his players, I do think the whole red-faced thing was a bit overboard. However, he is by far more experienced with this game than I and obviously knows what he is doing. Whatever he did in the locker room, he got those guys fired up to come back out and make it an interesting game.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

The world has all turned into a Hallmark moment around me. NCAA football is not 9 year old girls soccer. This is high end competitive sports and ALL these guys have been yelled at.

I played some ball in my day and if I ran a route and was open but forgot to fricking look...I would expect to be yelled at! It is the level at which "teaching moments" occur.

I am sick of these "Kelly was awfully loud today..." posts.

Luckily the world hasn't turned into a gigantic Soviet Bloc, and we all can still pick and choose which threads we click.

 

[NDMontana]

You're comparing apples to oranges... D1 football can't be compared to our own work lives!

Furthermore... the mistakes I saw yesterday were NOT minor from a football standpoint. As for Christ being pulled... other players expect the coach to put in the QB that gives them the best chance of winning. I like Christ and think he's the superior athlete but the offence does seem to click better with Tommy. I wanted to see Christ succeed based on all he's had to overcome but he seems really tense out there which most likely impact other players on the field with him. I probably would not have pulled him out so soon but came blame the coach for doing so either.

High level athletes are still human beings and in college, not fully mature human beings. And just like other human beings, some will react well to harsh handling, some won't react at all and some will shutdown. This.whole high level athlete thing is ridiculous. Did it look to you like the team reacted well to all that hollering?

 

[enrico514]

High level athletes are still human beings and in college, not fully mature human beings. And just like other human beings, some will react well to harsh handling, some won't react at all and some will shutdown. This.whole high level athlete thing is ridiculous. Did it look to you like the team reacted well to all that hollering?

Looked to me like Kelly's hollering was the result of how the team played... not the other way around.

 

[TDHeysus]

If you seperate reality(life outside of football) from the football sidelines, i thought Kelly's reactions were not out of bounds. consider the horrible play by players making bad reads/passes, dropping passes, not looking for passes, penalties, not to mention many many mental mistakes.....it looked like the first day of spring out there at times

 

[bjohnmwc]

Rather than re-type all this, here's what I already said....

In terms of TJ, the ball hit in in the head. As he was crossing the middle of the field. As he did not look at the QB. As ND was about to score a touchdown. And it turned into an INT.

I think that TJ Jones has the potential to be a contributor on this offense, and we will definitely need him to be if we are going to beat anybody this year. I think that one of hte reasons Kelly lost it here is because he expects more of TJ and knows that TJ coulda/shoulda/woulda caught it for the TD.

Let's everybody keep in mind, we also don't see what goes on during practice. Kelly may be a warm cuddly teddy bear during practice (I doubt it) but we are judging him on the basis of what happens on TV for one three hour block (or 5:10) each week.

I like to see a coach with some fire in his gut. Do I necessarily think it's always effective? No. But do I want to see some emotion? Yes.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

All of you saying the actions are ok, tell me why this approach wouldn't be better:

Scenario: 'Jimmy' makes the wrong read in a game and makes a bonehead play which results in a negative result. Jimmy comes off the field.
Coach: "Jimmy could you get your head out of your *** and make the right read, you should have seen the coverage and knew it couldn't go there. C'mon you're better than that."
Player walks away, takes the point...and moves on. End of story. Not getting in a players face, following him down the sideline cursing him out...multiple times during an afternoon, how does that breed a winning attitude?!

 

[NDMontana]

Looked to me like Kelly's hollering was the result of how the team played... not the other way around.

Did it seem to effect the outcome positively? They scored points in the second half but had two more turnovers, a missed fg and a slew of dumb penalties. Maybe Ruffer was so nervous that he missed that kick? Maybe all the personal foula were the result of playera seeing a coach losing grip and therefore losing grips themselves. Hell, I didn't see Gene Chisik freaking out as him team was poised to lose to Utah State, I don't see Chris Peterson freak out. While I do think that the coddling of the youth of this country is ridiculous, it is also reality. So Kelly can go recruit nothing but coaches kids or kids who with stern upbringings. But until this team is comprised entirely of his type of recruits, he has to deal with different mentalties.

 

[koonja]

I'm not promoting yelling at kids, but I love how fired up BK got. You can tell he's passionate. I've never been a coach so I don't know what the right answer is as far as being able to yell or taking it behind closed doors. I'm sure BK knows these kids well enough to know who can handle it and who can't. Dayne, being a senior, should be able to handle it and I'm sure BK knew that. No problem with what he did.

 

[pkt77242]

Yes. If he had done the same thing.

I am going to call Bullshit on this. If we win, not only are we not upset about the yelling, we are praising him for how he motivated the players by yelling at them.

If a coach tries an onside kick to start the game and his team recovers, he is a genius, if the other team recovers, he took a stupid risk. Same thing here, if his yelling motivates the players and we come back and win, he is a great motivator but if he yells and we lose then he is just a big bully picking on his poor players.

 

[pkt77242]

All of you saying the actions are ok, tell me why this approach wouldn't be better:

Scenario: 'Jimmy' makes the wrong read in a game and makes a bonehead play which results in a negative result. Jimmy comes off the field.
Coach: "Jimmy could you get your head out of your *** and make the right read, you should have seen the coverage and knew it couldn't go there. C'mon you're better than that."
Player walks away, takes the point...and moves on. End of story. Not getting in a players face, following him down the sideline cursing him out...multiple times during an afternoon, how does that breed a winning attitude?!

What if the player makes some dumb excuse though, then should the coach yell?

So lets play what if,

TJ has ball hit him in the head and it gets picked. He comes off the field and Kelly yells at him and says what the F' were you doing and TJ makes a stupid excuse like, he wasn't supposed to throw the ball to me. Is it ok if Kelly goes all nuts on him then?

The fact of the matter is none of us know exactly what was said, so as long as the players are still willing to play hard for him (and they seemed to still be playing hard at the end) then why question it? Trust me, if he is crossing the line with them, they will let us know by their play.

 

[koonja]

What if the player makes some dumb excuse though, then should the coach yell?

So lets play what if,

TJ has ball hit him in the head and it gets picked. He comes off the field and Kelly yells at him and says what the F' were you doing and TJ makes a stupid excuse like, he wasn't supposed to throw the ball to me. Is it ok if Kelly goes all nuts on him then?

Reading this reminded me of Daniel Tosh's stand up when he's like 'there's no excuse for domestic violence', then he does his own what if, lol. So funny.

 

[pkt77242]

Did it seem to effect the outcome positively? They scored points in the second half but had two more turnovers, a missed fg and a slew of dumb penalties. Maybe Ruffer was so nervous that he missed that kick? Maybe all the personal foula were the result of playera seeing a coach losing grip and therefore losing grips themselves. Hell, I didn't see Gene Chisik freaking out as him team was poised to lose to Utah State, I don't see Chris Peterson freak out. While I do think that the coddling of the youth of this country is ridiculous, it is also reality. So Kelly can go recruit nothing but coaches kids or kids who with stern upbringings. But until this team is comprised entirely of his type of recruits, he has to deal with different mentalties.

Have you ever watched Nick Saban on the sideline, he screams and curses just like Brian Kelly. Also have you ever watched Steve Spurrier scream and yell at his QB's? Sorry to break it to you but most top notch coaches scream and yell at their players like that, especially when they make stupid mental mistakes. And don't even get me started on Bo Pelini and Bobby Petrion.