Thought BK went too far yesterday

[IrishSteelhead]

Before I go any further, this is my humble opinion, nothing more.:

BK needs to lighten up on gameday. The complete and utter berating of players in front of God and anyone else watching needs to stop. Players will make mistakes, they are kids. Kids can be accountable for those mistakes during practice. As the face of the program, BK needs to show more composure. When he freaks out, you can bet your a$$ the kids will to. A coaches job on gameday is to be the calming force that kees the ship sailing. If the captain overracts, we all saw what can happen. Anyhoo, BK is as tough as they come, and I have faith he will steady said ship and remind the team there are 11 more games to be played.

 

[notredomer23]

Question. Do you think you think Kelly is the first coach to yell at players? This is big time college football. If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Question. Do you think you think Kelly is the first coach to yell at players? This is big time college football. If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen

Oh I agree, and love a guy with balls on the sidelines, but it looked to me like the team didn't react appropriately. Yelling should have a positive effect, but if it's done over and over and over, it loses all meaning.

 

[magogian]

Question. Do you think you think Kelly is the first coach to yell at players? This is big time college football. If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen

Kelly's priority needs to be that he is an effective head coach. Personally, I doubt the enraged, red-faced "You are f-ing kidding me" etc. is effective with many or most of the players.

If the kids can't "handle the heat," then it is far more important that Kelly takes that into account and uses alternative means of motivation and criticism.

 

[kmoose]

A coaches job on gameday is to be the calming force that kees the ship sailing. If the captain overracts, we all saw what can happen.

Just as a matter of perspective......... I spent 7 years in the Navy. The Captain of a ship is usually far from a "calming force". He's usually a guy who demands excellence, and is really unhappy when he doesn't get it from his crew. What keeps a ship sailing is discipline. And discipline sometimes requires a good swift kick in the a$$. I think that Kelly knows what he is doing. I haven't seen any players arguing with him on the sideline.

 

[Grahambo]

Mistakes are one thing, careless, mental, and dumb mistakes are another. Figure out which one ND made yesterday. By far though, correctable which is why Im not worrying. D is solid, O was dominate. Mistakes, clean those up.

 

[ohara831]

I've got no problem with how Kelly handles himself on the sidellines. He has fire. He supports his players and praises them when they do well, and jumps on them when they make disasterous mental errors. I much prefer that to the look of being lost which I saw on Charlie's face way too much of over the last couple years of his tenure.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Just as a matter of perspective......... I spent 7 years in the Navy. The Captain of a ship is usually far from a "calming force". He's usually a guy who demands excellence, and is really unhappy when he doesn't get it from his crew. What keeps a ship sailing is discipline. And discipline sometimes requires a good swift kick in the a$$. I think that Kelly knows what he is doing. I haven't seen any players arguing with him on the sideline.

Good insight. Maybe I'm just still really frustrated (like we all are) and wanted to nitpick. Either way, BK is our guy for better or worse, and I have full confidence it will be more better than worse, if that makes any sense haha.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Good insight. Maybe I'm just still really frustrated (like we all are) and wanted to nitpick. Either way, BK is our guy for better or worse, and I have full confidence it will be more better than worse, if that makes any sense haha.

Also agree with previous posters and think any kid of cant hack it on the sideline on gameday needs to sit the bench or go play for Stony Brook. Obviously our play improved dramatically yesterday in the second half so the kids respond to coach kelly and do not crawl into a shell and die when he freaks out. What the media does to kids is far worse than anything Coach Kelly will ever do.

 

[kmoose]

Good insight. Maybe I'm just still really frustrated (like we all are) and wanted to nitpick. Either way, BK is our guy for better or worse, and I have full confidence it will be more better than worse, if that makes any sense haha.

Agreed!

 

[PANDFAN]

guess no one remembers lou holtz grabbing people by their facemasks, he certainly was the same way but remember back then the whole media scene wasn't like it is now with the camera on him immediately after a turnover or mistake.......i don't blame him one bit.....spend all that time and then f it up by mistakes after mistakes..im just glad he didn't have a stroke or heart attack

 

[notredomer23]

And one last thing. If they can't handle Kelly, how ate they gonna handle 100000 screaming fans at the big house

 

[GoIrish41]

Before I go any further, this is my humble opinion, nothing more.:

BK needs to lighten up on gameday. The complete and utter berating of players in front of God and anyone else watching needs to stop. Players will make mistakes, they are kids. Kids can be accountable for those mistakes during practice. As the face of the program, BK needs to show more composure. When he freaks out, you can bet your a$$ the kids will to. A coaches job on gameday is to be the calming force that kees the ship sailing. If the captain overracts, we all saw what can happen. Anyhoo, BK is as tough as they come, and I have faith he will steady said ship and remind the team there are 11 more games to be played.

agree with you Steelhead. Crist is a good example. The more Kelly belittles him on the sideline, the more he seems to lose confidence. He seems to do worse after getting screamed at. Kelly has way more experience than me at this, but I'd say a head coach shouldn't do something that makes his players perform worse on the field during a game. Screaming until your head turns purple usually does not inspire confidence in anyone, or compel them to follow you.

 

[Irish52]

IrishSteelhead: You needn't apologize for your insight. It's Kelly who needs to apologize to his players for his moronic outbursts, done repeatedly throughout the game. You don't see championship coaches react like that in front of 30-50 million people. That's not leadership in any sense of the word. And if it matters, I too spent 25 years in the Navy and was a Captain and Commanding Officer. You can correct and get the results you want without lambasting "your" troops.

 

[RyCo1983]

agree with you Steelhead. Crist is a good example. The more Kelly belittles him on the sideline, the more he seems to lose confidence. He seems to do worse after getting screamed at. Kelly has way more experience than me at this, but I'd say a head coach shouldn't do something that makes his players perform worse on the field during a game. Screaming until your head turns purple usually does not inspire confidence in anyone, or compel them to follow you.

Crist needs to man up. I know they breed em soft in his neck of Cali...but dang man...he needs to grow some thicker skin. One mistake and he goes into his shell and can't play effective the rest of the game...I was all for Dayne being our starter in the offseason.

I'm now 100% behind Tommy Rees. When he makes a mistake he moves on, and he doesn't let Kelly get to him at all. That's what we need under center...a man with ice in his veins.


But in no way do I support said repeated outbursts from Kelly...It is OK to a point...but Kelly stepped far past that point in the 2nd quarter.

 

[GoIrish41]

Crist needs to man up. I know they breed em soft in his neck of Cali...but dang man...he needs to grow some thicker skin. One mistake and he goes into his shell and can't play effective the rest of the game...I was all for Dayne being our starter in the offseason.

I'm now 100% behind Tommy Rees. When he makes a mistake he moves on, and he doesn't let Kelly get to him at all. That's what we need under center...a man with ice in his veins.


But in no way do I support said repeated outbursts from Kelly...It is OK to a point...but Kelly stepped far past that point in the 2nd quarter.

This thread isn't about Crist. While I agree with you that he certainly demonstrated he does not have what it takes to be an effective QB at ND, this thread is about Kelly's temper. I just used Crist as an example of why screaming at players on national television isn't necissarily an effective motivational tool. If a grown man behaved like that in any other setting I can think of, he'd likely be arrested.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Hey c'mon Kelly looked like a madman maniac with his flushed red face, eyes bulging out and screaming. I used to remind myself give my son when little a shot in the backside to reprimand teach him not when in anger just to hurt him when I got out of control. Kelly has got to ask himself that question. By his screaming and ranting is he under control communicating a teaching reprimand I doubt it.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Often as a New York City cop-detective we had a checkout saying or reminder " Ask yourself what you got ". It simply meant do not let your emotions and anger get ahead of law or common sense, Often you wanted to arrest a dude or simply clobber him but you had no law to back you up. So if your anger-emotion guide you then you are in serious civil liberiy issues, So we always checked our by asking our selves " What have we got ". Kelly should " Ask himself " What have we got. Otherwise he will continue violating the dignity of his ball players.

 

[Henry521]

I'm having flashbacks of Ohio State and Woody Hayes.

 

[Jerry]

With the crazy mistakes being made yesterday I could see a coach going insane like that. Notre Dame gave that game away in about 10 different ways. It was a nightmare scenario, and I don't care if Kelly lost it. If he does it every week every time someone makes a mistake then it might get old.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I understand yellng...my old coach now the Head Coach for the Bengals use to yell-- alot!

I would hope BK knows what kids need yelling at and what kids need a different approach. Here is the sticking point-- a great leader looks like he is ALWAYS in control. And when I watch BK and his "ROID rage" does that promote leadership/control? I can make an argument for both sided of this coin.

 

[GoldenDomer87]

Really?

Really?

Couldn't have been that Crist missed easy throws and wide open receivers, Reddick not catching a ball, TJ Jones not even turning and looking for a ball, or Ruffer missing an easy field goal. Last I remember in football, that was pretty basic stuff.

The players deserved everything they got yesterday. But, that was yesterday. I hope Kelly is focused and ready for Michigan today and the rest of the week.

 

[phork]

There is pulling your kids aside and having a discussion with them. Then there is what happened yesterday. IMO too far. This is not the Navy, Army or any other academy. If you don't think this has negative effects on recruiting I think you are making a grievous error. Lou Holtz pulling facemasks and Woody Hayes decking people are relics of the past.

 

[GoIrish41]

Couldn't have been that Crist missed easy throws and wide open receivers, Reddick not catching a ball, TJ Jones not even turning and looking for a ball, or Ruffer missing an easy field goal. Last I remember in football, that was pretty basic stuff.

The players deserved everything they got yesterday. But, that was yesterday. I hope Kelly is focused and ready for Michigan today and the rest of the week.

To me is less about what the players "deserved" and the appearance that Kelly is in control of himself. And, even if the "deserved" his screaming, it appears that, in some cases, it only made matters worse.

The thought that went through my mind as Kelly was going crazy on TJ was, "wow, didn't that kid's father just die recently. not sure it is right to be screaming at a kid who may well be in a fairly fragile state."

Hey, I'm not against yelling. Sometimes that is all you've got to get your point across. However, Kelly seems to leap to screaming for every situation. I've seen hundreds of successful coaches in my lifetime who have achieved results without ever publicly humiliating his players -- even when they "deserved" it.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

His face was literally purple when TJ took that throw to the helmet.. I thought he was going to burst.

In his defense.. It must be amazingly frustrating to see your scholarship athletes fail to complete the basics.. when they are supposed to be thriving in year two of your offense.

 

[GoIrish41]

I get frustrated with my employees at work all the time. These are grown men and women who sometimes do not live up to my expectations. If I went off on like Kelly does on his players, I'd get fired on the spot.
I'm a huge Kelly fan, but this is one aspect of him that I do not like at all.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

How bout the other coaches, he was seen giving it to them also! I think there is a fine line...I'll give kelly the benefit of the doubt because of his track record...but in my opinion he's close to stepping over. What's wrong with a quick "fly by" as player comes off the field?! I don't think anything is accomplished by following a player down the sideline getting in their faces...I know some disagree and that is fine. That is what practice and film rooms are for, not showing a national audience panic, loss of control etc, etc...

You guys on here all say grow up, man up, grow some balls-but is that really how the brain of an 18-23 year old works? Not these days...we can all wish our guys at ND are immune to it...but let's be real. I heard Tom Izzo speak on this very subject last fall at a clinic- and he's as fiery as they come...and he even said he's had to tone it back a bit, still has his moments, but overall he and his staff feel it has been counter productive in the heat of battle. He also admitted to making key tactical mistakes in games where he "lost his cool with players or even refs" -then when going back on film and finding situations where he thought, "why didn't I think of this, or do that differently."

It will be interesting to see if anyone asks BK about this Tuesday and what his response is.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i've said this in another thread...i think kids need to be yelled at sometimes, but after awhile the blame needs to be shouldered on the coaches. you can't always blame the players

 

[Grahambo]

So people want the demeanors of Ty Willingham and Weis? That didn't seem to work either. Some need a pat on the back, others need in your face screaming. I need someone in my face screaming, I personally operate better. Just depends. BK was always in Rees' face last year and he responded well. I trust BK knows how to coach his players by now.

 

[Master Guns]

As a Marine with nearly 28 years of service, I can tell you that where Coach Kelly went wrong is his continual pursuit of the *** chewing. I have found when warrented with my Marines, is when the *** chewing is warrented and I have to raise my voice, it is quick, to the point and gains their attention. I then remidiate, dust them off and get them back into the "game" if you will. No need to go on and on. They are grown men and if they respect you and are look up to you, they know the level of your displeasure with their performance just by the fact you were upset enough to raise your voice. Make the point then move on.