See any potential in Ben Koyack ?

[Me2SouthBend]

What's sad is your eye poking response to a guy that was trying to be helpful. jonesman tried to help a new guy. Everybody including, GITF, was helpful. jonesman didn't imply anything negative. Your inference speaks to yourself, not him. Who cares, besides you obviously, what "access" you have?

We realize you're knew here. But keep in mind most of the other posters aren't. What's a new topic to you has probably been discussed in detail already. Read, get caught up, ADD to the discussion.

IE sets up Profile's for each ND recruit to try and keep discussions in one place so NEW members can catch up. You'll also notice that there are forums set up for other topics. Again to make easier to find similar topics. You'll find a lot on Koyack in the Recruiting Forum AND in the Notre Dame Football Forum. There's also a SEARCH Function you can avail yourself of. BTW, you won't find much on Koyack in the Leprechaun Lounge where you started this thread.

BTW, you asked:


Then follow up with:


I'm sorry but aside from his HS football play as documented by those videos, his rankings by the recruiting services, his scholarship offers by coaches across the nation who make their living making such evaluations, and his play in an All-Star game against HS Elite PEERS what other parameters are we supposed to use to respond to your question?

That's like telling a college admissions officer to comment on a prospective student's ability to perfom academically in college without looking at a high school transcript, test scores, references, or an interview.

zsteele, meet BGIF.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If we were any normal D1 football team [as concerns tight ends], Koyack would start as a freshman. Astonishingly, he may sit out this season entirely [especially since we seem not to be taking a TE this recruiting round].

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yes.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

He warned you.

Nah. He simply called him a better duck, amongst other ducks.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Have we got a shot at Mike Martin?

 

[TinyT]

Omar, Omar, Omar, Omar..............................................................................................................................................................................................................no?

 

[zsteele15]

Z,
If you have seen the highlight, know how highly he is rated, saw the All-Star game in which he was playing and practicing against other big time talents, you know what we all know.

Your question made it sound like you were doubtful of his skills and whether he could be a major contributor.

I'm always skeptical of anyone coming into a prestigious program like ND and not being able to perform, def. not doubting sklls though, just curious. Do you think he'll see the field this year?

 

[zsteele15]

What's sad is your eye poking response to a guy that was trying to be helpful. jonesman tried to help a new guy. Everybody including, GITF, was helpful. jonesman didn't imply anything negative. Your inference speaks to yourself, not him. Who cares, besides you obviously, what "access" you have?

We realize you're knew here. But keep in mind most of the other posters aren't. What's a new topic to you has probably been discussed in detail already. Read, get caught up, ADD to the discussion.

IE sets up Profile's for each ND recruit to try and keep discussions in one place so NEW members can catch up. You'll also notice that there are forums set up for other topics. Again to make easier to find similar topics. You'll find a lot on Koyack in the Recruiting Forum AND in the Notre Dame Football Forum. There's also a SEARCH Function you can avail yourself of. BTW, you won't find much on Koyack in the Leprechaun Lounge where you started this thread.

BTW, you asked:


Then follow up with:


I'm sorry but aside from his HS football play as documented by those videos, his rankings by the recruiting services, his scholarship offers by coaches across the nation who make their living making such evaluations, and his play in an All-Star game against HS Elite PEERS what other parameters are we supposed to use to respond to your question?

That's like telling a college admissions officer to comment on a prospective student's ability to perfom academically in college without looking at a high school transcript, test scores, references, or an interview.

I just honestly wasn't sure and curious of others responses, I def have to play catch up though on our recruits, been a little busy in the outside world.

You have to realize that it is hard to follow someones tone here, to one person it may seem like advice or help, but you have to understand to another person it kinda comes of as smart elic.

Not being an overbearing person on reactions, I'm just very excited about the up and coming classes and praying we will dominate again very very soon.

 

[NDLacrosse]

Saw him in the dining hall. Just from the looks of him he seems impressive

 

[Whiskeyjack]

zsteele15, it would be in your best interest to do a lot more reading and a lot less posting until you're up to speed on things.

 

[zsteele15]

Saw him in the dining hall. Just from the looks of him he seems impressive

Oh really? Thats awesome.

I'd give anything to have been a student at ND, but oh well..
Word on the street is it's kinda expensive!haha

 

[zsteele15]

zsteele15, it would be in your best interest to do a lot more reading and a lot less posting until you're up to speed on things.

It's simply hard to find the time sometime. Although it doesn't look like that seemingly I have a few posts on here. Oh well, I like everyones insight on here though, you guys are my information too, you all offer insightful knowledge that others don't have or are ill-informed...I hope you're not trying to be an a$$????

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's simply hard to find the time sometime. Although it doesn't look like that seemingly I have a few posts on here. Oh well, I like everyones insight on here though, you guys are my information too, you all offer insightful knowledge that others don't have or are ill-informed...I hope you're not trying to be an a$$????

Not trying to be an ***; honest advice.

It shows a general lack of respect for the board when you ask questions for which answers are easy to find (this thread), when you repeatedly refuse to address thoroughly and thoughtfully written posts directed at you (the Crist v. Rees debate), and when you post painfully oblivious crap.

So, I suggest that you simply read the posts here until you're more familiar with the board's culture, how posting works, and the general state of ND football. Your reputation will benefit.

If you don't have the time to read, don't waste our time by posting.

 

[zsteele15]

zsteele, meet BGIF.

So I guess BGIF is like the smartest kid with down syndrome.
Not too worried about his overly cavalier attitudes towards new comers.

 

[zsteele15]

zsteele, meet BGIF.

Not trying to be an ***; honest advice.

It shows a general lack of respect for the board when you ask questions for which answers are easy to find (this thread), when you repeatedly refuse to address thoroughly and thoughtfully written posts directed at you (the Crist v. Rees debate), and when you post painfully oblivious crap.

So, I suggest that you simply read the posts here until you're more familiar with the board's culture, how posting works, and the general state of ND football. Your reputation will benefit.

If you don't have the time to read, don't waste our time by posting.

I thought the Crist v Rees debate was over?? We don't have to go into that again do we?
You realizd that post was from just a mere fan perspective over who likes who better??

 

[zsteele15]

C-mon Whiskeyjack.. I hope I was not being disrespectful, I def wasn't trying to be. It seems like your tone and attituds towards me is simply trying to put me in my place which is not working, I'm very impressed with your overall knowledge towards ND and every single aspect that revlolves around, please stop being a douche about all of this. Did you not pick up in my earlier post that I was praising your guys posts. That they are insightful and informative, or were your responses just premeditated and meant to be negative toward me.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's simply hard to find the time sometime.

If you don't have time to educate yourself, don't waste our time by posting here.

So I guess BGIF is like the smartest kid with down syndrome.

BGIF is likely the smartest poster here, period. You're in no position to be calling anyone out. Most of us have been extremely patient with you thus far.

I thought the Crist v Rees debate was over?? We don't have to go into that again do we?
You realizd that post was from just a mere fan perspective over who likes who better??

I just realized that you've listed Ty Willingham as your favorite coach. That alone should be enough to disqualify someone from posting on IE. Where is the banhammer?!

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Steele take it down a notch. We were all new at one time...however, dont come in here calling ppl out like BGIF.

Chill my man and stay a while.

 

[IrishInFl]

C-mon Whiskeyjack.. I hope I was not being disrespectful, I def wasn't trying to be. It seems like your tone and attituds towards me is simply trying to put me in my place which is not working, I'm very impressed with your overall knowledge towards ND and every single aspect that revlolves around, please stop being a douche about all of this. Did you not pick up in my earlier post that I was praising your guys posts. That they are insightful and informative, or were your responses just premeditated and meant to be negative toward me.

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[koonja]

Maybe we can all stop pounding our chest and move on? Ben's going to be a stud. We haven't heard much about him this summer compared to the other kids in the class (Ishaq, Tuitt, Lynch, etc). He got a little defensive, asked a question that would have been best served elsewhere, life goes on.


Hakuna Matata!

 

[zsteele15]

I guess none of us want to back down from our positions, alpha male perspective

 

[zsteele15]

CAREER: Led Irish to four straight victories and a Hyundai Sun Bowl victory over Miami (Fla.) as the starting quarterback in 2010 ... became the first freshman quarterback in Notre Dame history to ever lead the Irish to a victory in a bowl game ... also the first-ever, first-year starter (regardless of class) to lead Notre Dame to a bowl game victory ... set single-season freshman school records in touchdown passes (12) and completion percentage (.610) ... level-headed and even-keeled player who doesn't rattle easily ... brought many intangibles to the team.

2010 (FRESHMAN): Played in nine games for the Irish, starting four contests (Utah, Army, USC and Miami) ... led Irish to four straight victories and a Hyundai Sun Bowl victory over Miami (Fla.) as the starting quarterback ... became the first freshman quarterback in Notre Dame history to ever lead the Irish to a victory in a bowl game ... also the first-ever, first-year starter (regardless of class) to lead Notre Dame to a bowl game victory ... completed 61.0 percent of his passes (100 of 164) for 1106 yards and 12 touchdowns ... registered a passing efficiency of 132.70 ... recorded 17 completions of 20 yards or more ... completed 66.7 percent (40 of 60) of his passes on first down this season ... set a single-season freshman school record with 12 touchdown passes ... established a single-season freshman record in completion percentage ... ranked among the top five in the following categories for Irish freshman quarterbacks: passing yards (second, 1,106), passing efficiency (second, 132.70), pass attempts (third, 164), completions (third, 100) and games played (t-fourth, 9 ) ... made career debut against Michigan, but attempted two passes, one of which was intercepted, without a completion ... saw action late in the game against Navy, but guided the Irish on a touchdown drive ... went 6 of 7 for 79 yards on the scoring drive ... replaced Dayne Crist following his season-ending injury against Tulsa ... proceeded to complete 33 of 54 passes for 334 yards and four touchdowns vs. Tulsa ... was the first Irish freshman quarterback to ever throw four touchdown passes in a single game ... the 334 yards passing was the most ever by a quarterback that did not start the game ... his 300-yard game was the 35th in school history and second-ever by a Notre Dame freshman ... Brady Quinn was the only other freshman signal caller to throw for at least 300 yards in a single game (350, Oct. 25, 2003 at Boston College) ... started the final three games of the regular season at national sports landmarks (Notre Dame Stadium, Yankee Stadium and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum) ... ninth freshman quarterback to start for the Irish in the last 60 seasons (1951-present), joining Ralph Guglielmi (1951), Blair Kiel (1980), Steve Beuerlein (1983), Kent Graham (1987), Paul Failla (1991), Matt LoVecchio (2000), Brady Quinn (2003) and Jimmy Clausen (2007) ... became the first Irish freshman quarterback to knock off a top 20 opponent since Blair Kiel helped Notre Dame get past No. 13 Miami, Fla., 32-14 ... completed 13 of 20 passes for 129 yards and three touchdowns in the victory over Utah ... his three touchdown passes were the most by a freshman in his first career start in school history ... he also threw for the fourth-most yards ever by an Irish quarterback in his first start ... threw seven touchdown passes in back-to-back outings against Tulsa (four) and Utah (three) ... the seven touchdown passes in consecutive games were the third-most touchdown passes over a two-game stretch in school history ... only Brady Quinn has ever thrown more touchdown passes in two consecutive games ... Quinn had nine touchdown passes over back-to-back games in 2009 and twice had eight touchdown passes in consecutive games in 2006 ... threw for 214 yards and completed 13 of 20 passes for the second straight game in the victory over Army ... collected another touchdown pass against the Black Knights ... closed out the regular season connecting on 20 of 32 pass attempts for 149 yards and two touchdowns ... the first rookie Notre Dame quarterback to knock off USC since Matt LoVecchio in 2000 ... completed 15 of 29 passes for 201 yards and two touchdowns in the Hyundai Sun Bowl victory over Miami (Fla.) ... threw two or more touchdown passes in four of the last five games of 2010.

HIGH SCHOOL AND PERSONAL DATA: Completed 215 of 308 passes for 2,572 yards and 23 touchdowns as senior in 2009 at Lake Forest High School in Lake Forest, Ill. ... threw for 526 yards and six TDs in one 2009 game versus Bradford (Wis.) ... also threw for five TDs and 348 yards in 2009 vs. Warren ... as junior in 2008 completed 195 of 344 passes for 2,170 yards and 21 TDs (including four in 65-52 win over Wauconda) in seasons that ended with Illinois Class 6A first-round playoff loss to Lemont ... played basketball at Lake Forest until he enrolled at Notre Dame in January 2010 ... started final six games at quarterback for Lake Forest as sophomore in 2007 ... brother Danny was junior punter and holder at UCLA in 2009 ... father Bill is former assistant coach and recruiting coordinator for years at UCLA (1979-93) under Terry Donohue, also has worked in scouting and pro personnel for Chicago Bears, Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs and San Francisco 49ers - after playing quarterback at Ohio Wesleyan and serving as an assistant coach at Northwestern (1976-78) for three years ... played for coach Chuck Spagnoli at Lake Forest ... born May 22, 1992 ... son of Bill and Susan Rees ... enrolled in First Year of Studies.

Now can we please move off of he QB debate and does this statistical analysis satisfy your needs and gives me a little credit Whiskey??

 

[NDinFL]

I guess none of us want to back down from our positions, alpha male perspective

Perhaps, but in short

Koyack WILL be great

Do NOT call out the legend that is BGIF, he brings the knowledge

It's all good man, no harm, no foul

 

[Old Man Mike]

Another enlightening IE thread.

Maybe when IE gets a naive-sounding question like this which, though we have discussed it to death, nevertheless is doubtlessly well-intentioned, someone should just say: "You might try this thread which is quite rich in information on this topic". If the person says "yeh I know all about that; I was just wondering if there was any news", we could say "No, we're waiting for camp to start", or "I saw him in the cafeteria the other day, and he ate the whole thing".

No matter how it's handled though, referring to BGIF as the smartest kid with Downs Syndrome is not the way to make friends. He's the smartest man; that's true. And he's earned it.

 

[NDinFL]

Steele, you use the word "lead" very loosely with Mr. Reese... Or wherever you copied that from...

Any one of us that watched those final 4 games saw that it was the defense that lead the team...

Don't get me wrong, Tommy did a fantastic job as a fill-in, but to say he "lead the Irish to a bowl win" well, it was GREAT defense that won those games.... and Mike Floyd, lol

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Another enlightening IE thread.

Maybe when IE gets a naive-sounding question like this which, though we have discussed it to death, nevertheless is doubtlessly well-intentioned, someone should just say: "You might try this thread which is quite rich in information on this topic". If the person says "yeh I know all about that; I was just wondering if there was any news", we could say "No, we're waiting for camp to start", or "I saw him in the cafeteria the other day, and he ate the whole thing".

No matter how it's handled though, referring to BGIF as the smartest kid with Downs Syndrome is not the way to make friends. He's the smartest man; that's true. And he's earned it.

OMM....again you have shown us the light. We could all learn from your post.

 

[zsteele15]

Steele, you use the word "lead" very loosely with Mr. Reese... Or wherever you copied that from...

Any one of us that watched those final 4 games saw that it was the defense that lead the team...

Don't get me wrong, Tommy did a fantastic job as a fill-in, but to say he "lead the Irish to a bowl win" well, it was GREAT defense that won those games.... and Mike Floyd, lol

You're right though, if he hadn't broken from from those tackles it definitly could have been a different game, and for the defenses overy dominant performance as well..

 

[BabyIrish]

To think that Koyack is faster then Rudolph makes me go crazy. Can't wait to see him shredding up opposing D's. Hurry up and get here Fall Camp!

 

[NDinFL]

You're right though, if he hadn't broken from from those tackles it definitly could have been a different game, and for the defenses overy dominant performance as well..

Umm, huh?

 

[BeauBenken]

Sometimes I think I'm the only nice guy on this forum. But ZSteele, your thread here is a bit pointless. We know less about Ben than the coaches who offered him a scholarship. I would think that's proof of potential enough. The kid is 6'5"+ with great receiving ability and he's a tough blocker. Sounds like a great TE to me.

Also, I understand you don't want to be insulted on here (no one does), but when you get put down by the likes of BGIF, it's usually better to back down. Trust me, I learned the hard way.

Now it also seems that your thread has turned into a Rees/Crist debate. (?) Thank god it's in the Lep Lounge so technically you can talk about whatever, but it's still best to keep some sort of order in a thread.

Slow down on your posts brother. Post questions like this in the recruit's thread. And if you don't have any insight or intellectual conversation or questions, it's best you don't post (for the meantime at least) unless you really want the frequent posters on this site to godsmack you.

Good luck.