'12 IN S John Turner (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[ColinKSU]

Colin I am all for dissent but when the same poster is constantly putting down recruits(are questioning them or the coaches) then you began to wonder that persons motive. On DD you are known has the debbie downer poster and people just wait for you to come with your dark cloud.

I also don't insult players personally or insult posters. I can't help that someone thinks I'm a debbie downer because that's out of my control. I always have reasons that I believe in for the things I say -- which is more than I can say for people who just insult someone who doesn't see things the same way as they do.

For example...I'm not high on Maty Mauk as a prospect and do you know why? Because I've covered Ohio high school football professionally for five years, I know a lot more than anyone on DD does about his conference and competition level, I've stood right next to the kid and I've worked with people who've covered him and his father for years. I have perfectly valid reasons to question him as a prospect.

Not bad for a debbie downer. But no one chose to see it that way...I'm just some idiot with an ax to grind -- not someone who puts food on the table by covering high school football.

 

[GreatGolson]

Title2012 is one of the few people on this board to have seen Turner play in person, and he wasn't impressed. It's not what we want to hear, but it's still a valuable contribution to the discussion.

i go to school with the guy. was at all his games last season, he can play at the D1 level. wait untill after his senior season to see what i mean.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

i go to school with the guy. was at all his games last season, he can play at the D1 level. wait untill after his senior season to see what i mean.

I don't endorse Title2012's opinion of Turner. I trust Kelly's staff when it comes to talent evaluation, and I love Turner's tangibles.

I'm merely defending his right to politely express a dissenting opinion based on first-hand observation.

 

[Riddickulous]

We've had reasonably good success with 3* recruits from Indiana...

 

[IrishLax]

We've had reasonably good success with 3* recruits from Indiana...

Guess who has the exact same measurables as that man? GEHRIG DIETER.

Plus his name is almost as cool.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Keith Arnold's article about Turner and Kelly's commitment to the secondary can be found here.

 

[Rocket89]

We've had reasonably good success with 3* recruits from Indiana...

Look!

He's catching a pass in the endzone with slashmarks on the road!

How dare Pitt steal our tradition!!!

What's that? We didn't invent it?

Oh.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I like this pickup. He fits the mold. He is athletic. He can be taught by our coaches (because that is what they do best). Kelly and staff continue to stock the cupboard with athletes who fit the scheme...in all areas. Now I am waiting for some rb announcements. (they are coming, I just want to know who they are)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He's actually a consensus 3 right now.

My above post was a little unclear. I was only trying to argue that Smith's 2010 resurgence isn't the best evidence for Kelly's ability to develop his players, since Harrison was a highly touted S recruit.

Stop apologizing. Your point was clear and correct.

 

[nd1989]

Great Pickup! Welcome aboard MR Turner!

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

freebie on ISD. will recruit other players for us, love this display of leadership, just what we need.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Congrats Mr. Turner, you and Mr. Perkins are going to be great! Indiana recruits at ND, what a concept.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't endorse Title2012's opinion of Turner. I trust Kelly's staff when it comes to talent evaluation, and I love Turner's tangibles.

I'm merely defending his right to politely express a dissenting opinion based on first-hand observation.

He can definitely do that. Dissenting opinions (that come with good reasoning) make any message board better.

On recruit's thread though, we TRY to keep it more positive. Recruits have been known to read these threads. Their families have been known (and proven) to read these threads. We've had family members from players such as Aaron Lynch, Chris Badger, Deiter, and many more not only read these threads but post on them as well. So when you say "I see him no better than a special teams player for 4 yrs" - that can be a little harsh. I personally would rather not see it because we'll have time to dissect his play for another 4 years, and we could probably find another place to discuss what we think of the recruiting class as a whole, but that's just my feelings.

Anyway, we kept it up b/c Title2012 had seen him play and gave a valid opinion on him. Luckily the coaches saw him live and felt differently.

 

[jmurphy75]

freebie on ISD. will recruit other players for us, love this display of leadership, just what we need.

I think that this is one of the things that some of us forget, a football player is more than just measurable. We are quick to offer opinions based on what? Stars and 40 times? A good football player is made up from so many other things, leadership, heart, determination, aggression tenacity on the field. We can not judge these things from our computers no matter how many recruiting sites we are members of. Please also remember that some of us are voicing opinions when these kids haven't even played their senior season yet....not sure about you guys but I had a much better senior season than I did junior. I just think that everone is entitled to their own opinion but remember what you are basing your opinion on....how tall he was, how fast he ran a 40 last year. I'm just saying that there is a lot more that makes up a good player than his measurable.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

On recruit's thread though, we TRY to keep it more positive. Recruits have been known to read these threads. Their families have been known (and proven) to read these threads. We've had family members from players such as Aaron Lynch, Chris Badger, Deiter, and many more not only read these threads but post on them as well. So when you say "I see him no better than a special teams player for 4 yrs" - that can be a little harsh. I personally would rather not see it because we'll have time to dissect his play for another 4 years, and we could probably find another place to discuss what we think of the recruiting class as a whole, but that's just my feelings.

That's reasonable. We should make it a board policy that negative comments about a particular recruit need to go in a separate thread then.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I don't see anything wrong with 2012's insight. Every recruiting service (which I'm sure is what the kids REALLY look at) points out what a kid does well, and more importantly what they NEED TO IMPROVE. Turner was just a centerpiece of a state championship winning team, so I'm willing to bet he is 100% confident in his abilities, and wouldn't pull a Lebron (curl into a ball until it went away) if he saw 2012's little blurb. Heck, it would probably just inspire him to show a few naysayers that they were wrong.

 

[Irish Fam]

so are we done with DB recruiting? that gives us 5. I think we would still accept a commitment from Smith, Wright, Shumate, Thompson... one of the blue chippers

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

I think his name alone makes him sound like a bad ***. Just certain names stick out to me. Like Ronnie Lott for instance. I know he was hated but Taylor Mays was another one. John Turner is a bad *** name.

 

[DANsanity15]

I've played against this guy. Hes obviously a good player but not that good.

 

[IrishLax]

I've played against this guy. Hes obviously a good player but not that good.

Yeah, and I schooled Cody Grimm a couple times in HS. Now he's a starting safety in the NFL. Go figure. Players develop in different ways and there's really no telling how a kid will translate from one level to the next. We'll have to wait and see here.

 

[GBdomer]

buddy of mine played hockey with got drafted into the NHL this year, i didnt think he was that good either.

 

[GreatGolson]

a family friend of ours played in the junior masters many years ago, he finished better than a guy named Phil....

 

[NDinL.A.]

I've played against this guy. Hes obviously a good player but not that good.

And what school are you playing for or scouting for or coaching for this year?

And before you guys go saying that everyone has a right to say what they think of a recruit and blah blah blah (which I agree with, to a certain extent of course), this newbie poster just said that ND would handle Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, and every other SEC team not named Alabama (simply ridiculous - we could play with them maybe, but handle them? Please - that conference has won how many straight NCs? And ND lost to Navy, Tulsa, and Michigan last year).

So I highly question this poster's ability to assess talent.

 

[DANsanity15]

Actually I never said I was better than him. I just said he's not a super recruit. I said he's good just not great. And Iowa western is who I'm playing for douchebag. You try to pass judgement on someone who you've never met. Lol what have you done thats so spectacular? Exactly. Im on these forums to state my opinion. Idgaf what you have to say o be honest. But when you **** talk on EVERY post I have it really pisses me off. And I'm a bad judge of talent? You said navy is garbage. They've had one of the top offenses in the country the last 3 years. With that said, stfu and gfy

 

[IrishLax]

Actually I never said I was better than him. I just said he's not a super recruit. I said he's good just not great. And Iowa western is who I'm playing for douchebag. You try to pass judgement on someone who you've never met. Lol what have you done thats so spectacular? Exactly. Im on these forums to state my opinion. Idgaf what you have to say o be honest. But when you **** talk on EVERY post I have it really pisses me off. And I'm a bad judge of talent? You said navy is garbage. They've had one of the top offenses in the country the last 3 years. With that said, stfu and gfy

Newbie fights back with some OK points... although his comment about "handling" the SEC still looms large. I see no problem with someone who has seen a recruit first hand giving his input (positive or negative) as he sees fit.

 

[DANsanity15]

Thank you. And for the record, he would be a way better player if he bulked up and played linebacker because his coverage skills are sub par for D1 but he's a great tackler

 

[IrishLax]

Thank you. And for the record, he would be a way better player if he bulked up and played linebacker because his coverage skills are sub par for D1 but he's a great tackler

The same could be said for Harrison Smith for years.

 

[DANsanity15]

The same could be said for Harrison Smith for years.

Good point lol

 

[johnnykillz]

I like kids that are hungry for it; ones that do what needs to be done: Those that rise to the occasion.

I'll take 11 of them over 11 five star guys anyday of the week.

And the last most important ingredient to a championship team, or BCS winning squad is chemistry.

When focus is honed to a "team" level rather than a "me" level, you are the team to beat. Hard work, preparation, and timing are everything to make this happen.

I think Turner has been evaluated by important people.

I played (watched, as I was in depth that year) against Urlacher and Hank Baskett. Urlacher was good, not great IMHO. And Baskett was "meh," and his hair was our defenses goal that week.

I now rescind those comments. Take this advice well young NDIrish15...

 

[NCDomer]

Thank you. And for the record, he would be a way better player if he bulked up and played linebacker because his coverage skills are sub par for D1 but he's a great tackler

Unless a player gets experience by playing somewhere where the competition is good enough to sling the ball around, few players will develop great coverage skills. Great coverage skills come with experience--being able to read QBs, little quirks of receivers, etc. Most S/DB recruits get offered on their athletic ability--fluidity of hips, acceleration, change of direction, etc.

Btw, I played soccer with two guys who went on to have full rides from a top 5 (probably the best at the time) D1 program. The better talent transferred out because of a lack of talent and turned his new team (sub top 25, but probably 25-30) into a top 15 team. The lesser talent went on to lead the nation in scoring up until he got injured. How much you succeed is often about how you fit with a team once you get to a certain level of talent. I could never play well on really talented teams, but would outplay and hold my own against against the two guys I referenced earlier when my not as good team played theirs.