'12 IN S John Turner (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Whiskeyjack]

What is Turner missing that has some people worried?

He has elite tangibles for a S prospect, and Cathedral plays against some serious competition. All signs point toward him having a good work ethic as well.

The only things he's "missing" are a 4th and an offer list to match. Now that he's verballed to ND, I expect him to get a more serious look from the recruiting services.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Reason why I'm worried is because he has been very unimpressive every time I've seen him play and I was shocked that he was getting any D1 interest, let alone from Notre Dame. He's got size and speed but he shows almost no in-game skills for a major D1 player. My gut is telling me that he'll end up being a special teamer only for 4 years.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Reason why I'm worried is because he has been very unimpressive every time I've seen him play and I was shocked that he was getting any D1 interest, let alone from Notre Dame. He's got size and speed but he shows almost no in-game skills for a major D1 player. My gut is telling me that he'll end up being a special teamer only for 4 years.

And this is why the coaches do what they do and why you do what you do....

You and your "gut" should stick to something else...I hear there's room on the women's soccer World Cup bandwagon... See ACamp for an Application.

(if serious, just bring him hamburgers from in-n-out and you're a shoe in...)

 

[IrishMoore1]

If Kelly wants him, I want him.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And this is why the coaches do what they do and why you do what you do....

You and your "gut" should stick to something else...I hear there's room on the women's soccer World Cup bandwagon... See ACamp for an Application.

(if serious, just bring him hamburgers from in-n-out and you're a shoe in...)

Title2012 is one of the few people on this board to have seen Turner play in person, and he wasn't impressed. It's not what we want to hear, but it's still a valuable contribution to the discussion.

 

[kjk184]

Quote from Turner in an interview...

"I'm going to try to get Sheldon Day to commit."

 

[GBdomer]

Quote from Turner in an interview...

"I'm going to try to get Sheldon Day to commit."

i see you John Turner.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Quote from Turner in an interview...

"I'm going to try to get Sheldon Day to commit."

That oughta make people warm up to Turner in a hurry.

Are they friends?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Title2012 is one of the few people on this board to have seen Turner play in person, and he wasn't impressed. It's not what we want to hear, but it's still a valuable contribution to the discussion.

So, who's opinion should I value...? His or the ND coaching staffs? Your choice....

 

[Cali_domer]

So, who's opinion should I value...? His or the ND coaching staffs? Your choice....

Haha, I think I will go with the coach's on this one. He busted his *** and he proved to the coach's that he has the speed and agilty to get the job done at BCS caliber school. I was a bit worried about this kid last week but than I had a realization that really I know very little compared to Kelly and co. Welcome Mr. Turner.

 

[GBdomer]

If Brian Kelly can turn RB Mardy Gilyard into an All American WR. Ben Mauk and Tony Pike guys ND wouldn't of even looked at. Zach Car. into a heck of a QB, same guy who recruited Dan Lefevour. Armon Binns and the list goes on and on, into players ND would of never of recruited. He can do the same with a 3 star 6 2 safety with 4.5 speed. If this kid had an offer from Alabama or Florida we would all be going nuts right now. But i mean come on there's a reason Brian Kelly coaches at Notre Dame and we sit on irish envy and sometimes down grade a kid. Welcome to the family John Turner.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So, who's opinion should I value...? His or the ND coaching staffs? Your choice....

I didn't suggest you value Title2012's opinion over Kelly's staff. As I've mentioned many times already, I trust Kelly and I like Turner as a recruit.

I just don't appreciate the reactionary "OMG KELLY > YOU SO STFU" stuff that's been directed at Title2012. He's watched Turner play first hand, and he's politely expressed his opinions on the kid.

Faith in the coaching staff is all well and good, but the quality of discussion on this board isn't improved when that faith turns into groupthink and dissenting opinions are pushed out.

 

[Cali_domer]

If Brian Kelly can turn RB Mardy Gilyard into an All American WR. Ben Mauk and Tony Pike guys ND wouldn't of even looked at. Zach Car. into a heck of a QB, same guy who recruited Dan Lefevour. Armon Binns and the list goes on and on, into players ND would of never of recruited. He can do the same with a 3 star 6 2 safety with 4.5 speed. If this kid had an offer from Alabama or Florida we would all be going nuts right now. But i mean come on there's a reason Brian Kelly coaches at Notre Dame and we sit on irish envy and sometimes down grade a kid. Welcome to the family John Turner.

Bingo

 

[BGIF]

Reason why I'm worried is because he has been very unimpressive every time I've seen him play and I was shocked that he was getting any D1 interest, let alone from Notre Dame. He's got size and speed but he shows almost no in-game skills for a major D1 player. My gut is telling me that he'll end up being a special teamer only for 4 years.

If he plays as badly as Mike Anello or Chad DeBolt, he'll be a welcome addition to Special Teams.

On the other hand, Clifford Jefferson was very impressive in HS. The recruiting gurus (and fans) droolled with Stars and accolades. He was a USA Today First Team All American. The highest ranked CB recruited by ND in the recruiting service era. Jefferson had two career INTs at ND and earned the unenviable nickname "Highway 15" as "Toast" was an understatement.


Martin, Kelly, and Diaco have shown both the ability to recognize talent and the ability to develop it. Welcome to ND John Turner.

 

[Cali_domer]

Quote from Turner in an interview...

"I'm going to try to get Sheldon Day to commit."

Didn't he just visit? Anyone have any word how the visit went?

 

[BGIF]

I didn't suggest you value Title2012's opinion over Kelly's staff. As I've mentioned many times already, I trust Kelly and I like Turner as a recruit.

I just don't appreciate the reactionary "OMG KELLY > YOU SO STFU" stuff that's been directed at Title2012. He's watched Turner play first hand, and he's politely expressed his opinions on the kid.

Faith in the coaching staff is all well and good, but the quality of discussion on this board isn't improved when that faith turns into groupthink and dissenting opinions are pushed out.

Jack, The kid is 17. This is probably the biggest day in his young life. At least it's the biggest decision he's made in it. It's common etiquette not to crap on someone's parade.

This is a day to applaud him for his college choice, the 40 years decision, and the coaches recognition of his abilities.

"STFU" shouldn't be necessary. It's embarrassing that it is. I really hope his parents don't follow this board.

The naysayers and I told you so's with all their "keyboard" expertise have 4 years to strut their stuff, IF it ever is warranted. We've all see the number of stars, ratings, offers and so forth by a bunch of guys that actually don't make a living coaching but by getting "hits" on a board. It's been mentioned before. It doesn't need to be repeated, particularly tonight.

This is a RECRUIT PROFILE. Those that want to challenge Kelly, Martin's, and Diaco's judgement should have taken that discussion to another thread. That would be the appropriate place.

John Turner joined the ND family tonight.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Jack, The kid is 17. This is probably the biggest day in his young life. At least it's the biggest decision he's made in it. It's common etiquette not to crap on someone's parade.

This is a day to applaud him for his college choice, the 40 years decision, and the coaches recognition of his abilities.

"STFU" shouldn't be necessary. It's embarrassing that it is. I really hope his parents don't follow this board.

The naysayers and I told you so's with all their "keyboard" expertise have 4 years to strut their stuff, IF it ever is warranted. We've all see the number of stars, ratings, offers and so forth by a bunch of guys that actually don't make a living coaching but by getting "hits" on a board. It's been mentioned before. It doesn't need to be repeated, particularly tonight.

This is a RECRUIT PROFILE. Those that want to challenge Kelly, Martin's, and Diaco's judgement should have taken that discussion to another thread. That would be the appropriate place.

John Martin joined the ND family tonight.

I understand your point, BGIF. I guess my only retort is this: if only positive opinions are acceptable in a recruits profile, why bother letting anyone post in it? Just have Ironman8, Terrytate, etc. update it as news comes along, but there won't be any meaningful discussion of the kid's potential.

If recruiting profiles need to be sanitized in case the player, his family, or his friends stumble across it, then we should probably make that policy clearer to the posting community. If someone wants to politely express legitimate concerns about a recruit, that recruit's profile is the most natural place to do so.

Just to clarify, I don't agree with Title2012's opinion; but if someone sees a recruit play in person and wants to post his thoughts on the exhibition, that strikes me as a valuable addition to the discussion.

 

[WabashFalcon]

To be fair, he's coming from an Indiana football powerhouse that has popped us out some talent the last few yews.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

To be fair, he's coming from an Indiana football powerhouse that has popped us out some talent the last few yews.

This is definitely true. Cathedral always has a lot of talent and I've heard that they would send a lot more players to big schools if their coach wasn't terrible with college coaches and didn't hurt recruiting.

Obviously there is a reason why I'm not coaching at ND and Kelly and Co. are, but even the best college coaches aren't 100% for signing studs either. Turner is definitely physically gifted enough to be a starter in D1, but I think it will take a lot of excellent coaching because his great speed never showed when he was playing. I was surprised that he was so fast since he seemed slower than the receivers when I saw him play.

 

[IrishLax]

This is definitely true. Cathedral always has a lot of talent and I've heard that they would send a lot more players to big schools if their coach wasn't terrible with college coaches and didn't hurt recruiting.

Obviously there is a reason why I'm not coaching at ND and Kelly and Co. are, but even the best college coaches aren't 100% for signing studs either. Turner is definitely physically gifted enough to be a starter in D1, but I think it will take a lot of excellent coaching because his great speed never showed when he was playing. I was surprised that he was so fast since he seemed slower than the receivers when I saw him play.

I love insight like this.

I think we can all agree here that: 1) he has some great physical tools 2) he current game on the field isn't jaw dropping or he would have a better offer sheet

So is this a gamble? Yeah, absolutely. Just because someone dominates for one day at camp doesn't mean those 1v1 performances will translate into big plays on the field. It should also be noted that he camped at Iowa and didn't get an offer from them. But grabbing a player with untapped potential (re: Farley) can often pay huge dividends if they develop accordingly. It's worth taking a gamble if you see upside and already have a number of other people on board (Badger, Prosise, Baratti).

 

[kjk184]

That oughta make people warm up to Turner in a hurry.

Are they friends?

Not trying to give away the all of the paid content. But this was the full quote.

“I'm going try to take an active role on recruiting and talk to some the other recruits,” said the Indiana standout. “I'm going to try to get Sheldon Day to commit. I was up there with David Perkins and Sheldon's teammate Tim Kimbrough talking about it, and I'm going to try to get Sheldon to come here.”

 

[Rocket89]

I understand your point, BGIF. I guess my only retort is this: if only positive opinions are acceptable in a recruits profile, why bother letting anyone post in it? Just have Ironman8, Terrytate, etc. update it as news comes along, but there won't be any meaningful discussion of the kid's potential.

If recruiting profiles need to be sanitized in case the player, his family, or his friends stumble across it, then we should probably make that policy clearer to the posting community. If someone wants to politely express legitimate concerns about a recruit, that recruit's profile is the most natural place to do so.

Just to clarify, I don't agree with Title2012's opinion; but if someone sees a recruit play in person and wants to post his thoughts on the exhibition, that strikes me as a valuable addition to the discussion.

^ This x100.

I don't see what the big problem with Turner is. His highlight reel shows a pretty good skill set and playmaking ability to me. We're adding tons of depth to the secondary, and that means taking someone like him and seeing where he shakes out in a couple of years. Sounds better than having to move linebackers to running back and safeties to linebacker like in the past.

If someone doesn't think he'll be good, I'll listen, even if I don't agree.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I said early in this thread that I didn't know what to make of Turner's offer based on the dearth of other offers he had received. I also trust these coaches to evaluate talent for their system, and I recognize that good players can and do fly under the radar. I think most people on here understand this. My only other thought on this is that even if John's skills never catch up to his measurables, he can still be a valuable member of the football team. Not every recruit is destined to be an all-American and a first round draft pick. If he is a contributor on special teams, is that not a valuable role on a good football team? I'm not saying that he won't become an excellent safety, but even if he doesn't he has abilities already that should allow him to bring something of value to the program.

I'm happy for John, as clearly this is the opportunity he has sought. I'm also happy for Notre Dame, because they got another player that they wanted. I think it is fair to have a discussion about John as a football player, but he should be treated as a member of the Fighting Irish family, which he now is.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I also,think its ok to question as long as its done in a respectful way...I agree with the angle that with the talent we've stock piled at db we can afford a gamble on a guy who is obviously all Irish! Seems like he could be a great guy behind the scenes...recruiting, lockeroom, practice etc... you need guys this, the the gel to all the studs. Sometimes you get too many superstars and you run into clashing. I trust the coaches know what they are doing here!

 

[anarin]

I understand your point, BGIF. I guess my only retort is this: if only positive opinions are acceptable in a recruits profile, why bother letting anyone post in it? Just have Ironman8, Terrytate, etc. update it as news comes along, but there won't be any meaningful discussion of the kid's potential.

If recruiting profiles need to be sanitized in case the player, his family, or his friends stumble across it, then we should probably make that policy clearer to the posting community. If someone wants to politely express legitimate concerns about a recruit, that recruit's profile is the most natural place to do so.

Just to clarify, I don't agree with Title2012's opinion; but if someone sees a recruit play in person and wants to post his thoughts on the exhibition, that strikes me as a valuable addition to the discussion.

Can't say I disagree. Especially if it comes from someone that has seen a player live. Either way, welcome aboard Mr. Turner and I hope you exceed all expectations.

 

[Cali_domer]

I like this guys evalution better. Got it off DD and I have read other first hand accounts that say he is a good pick- up.

"I watched Turner play live in the State Championship last year, and quite frankly, his play is a very big reason Cathedral is the State Champ and not Dwenger. He has a very good nose for the football and he never quits. Very aggressive play and good wheels.
I think this is a great pickup. I have no doubts he will rise in the rankings as the year progresses. I really don't care if he does as I was very impressed with his size, speed, and knowledge of the game.

Welcome aboard Mr. Turner!!!! "

 

[ColinKSU]

I understand your point, BGIF. I guess my only retort is this: if only positive opinions are acceptable in a recruits profile, why bother letting anyone post in it? Just have Ironman8, Terrytate, etc. update it as news comes along, but there won't be any meaningful discussion of the kid's potential.

If recruiting profiles need to be sanitized in case the player, his family, or his friends stumble across it, then we should probably make that policy clearer to the posting community. If someone wants to politely express legitimate concerns about a recruit, that recruit's profile is the most natural place to do so.

Just to clarify, I don't agree with Title2012's opinion; but if someone sees a recruit play in person and wants to post his thoughts on the exhibition, that strikes me as a valuable addition to the discussion.

This. This. Dear God, this.

I wish you'd post this on one of the other sites. There's no point in a discussion forum if you can't have a civilized discussion between multiple opinions.

More often than not, I find the people who are "defending" the coaches or players are the ones who hurl personal insults at the posters who disagree with something.

 

[koonja]

Agree or disagree, it's just hard to get excited over a 3-star athlete who's most impressive offer is from Minnesota (or Indiana, however you look at it). Could he be a diamond in the ruff? Sure. Will he ever be a solid starter at ND? Who knows. Few if any of us know how good an athlete actually is until he hits the field. Right now I think it's fair to question his talents, but it's still way too early to set our opinion in stone.

 

[ColinKSU]

If Brian Kelly can turn RB Mardy Gilyard into an All American WR. Ben Mauk and Tony Pike guys ND wouldn't of even looked at. Zach Car. into a heck of a QB, same guy who recruited Dan Lefevour. Armon Binns and the list goes on and on, into players ND would of never of recruited. He can do the same with a 3 star 6 2 safety with 4.5 speed. If this kid had an offer from Alabama or Florida we would all be going nuts right now. But i mean come on there's a reason Brian Kelly coaches at Notre Dame and we sit on irish envy and sometimes down grade a kid. Welcome to the family John Turner.

Well, of course.

That'd be more of a validation of his ability and potential. I'm not stating an opinion either way on the kid, but of course people would be more open to accepting his verbal if SEC powerhouses wanted him.

 

[Cali_domer]

This. This. Dear God, this.

I wish you'd post this on one of the other sites. There's no point in a discussion forum if you can't have a civilized discussion between multiple opinions.

More often than not, I find the people who are "defending" the coaches or players are the ones who hurl personal insults at the posters who disagree with something.

Colin I am all for dissent but when the same poster is constantly putting down recruits(are questioning them or the coaches) then you began to wonder that persons motive. On DD you are known has the debbie downer poster and people just wait for you to come with your dark cloud.