'11 FL OT Jordan Prestwood (Arizona Western C.C.)

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Above all else, I hope that Jordan is happy about ND. Obviously, everything wasn't going well at FSU. It's really comforting thinking about the depth that we have on the line with him, Lombard, Nichols and plenty of others for the future. Then, it sounds like we're in great shape with a lot of elite seniors.
 

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I always thought the clock started ticking after you enrolled in college; not when you left HS. But I could be wrong. Don't take anything I say as fact here.

That would explain the baseball side of it, and make more sense disproving my theory as to the clock not starting until you played an actual sport. I guess if that was the case you'd see a lot more people who dropped out of college after a year or two, decide to go back when they are say mid 20's and play some football. I guess the thing to do would be looking it up, but I'm not in the mood for a search. Anyone on IE not started their clock yet?! ;) God to do it all over again knowing then what I know now(classic midlife crisis statement!)
 

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I believe eligibily runs out at age 26 for Division 1 (fbs) ball.
 

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Here's an excerpt from the same site:

Division I Toolkit

Transfer Rules

Division I student-athletes interested in transferring to another four-year college or university and student-athletes at two-year colleges interested in attending a four-year school should be aware of the rules that govern the transfer process.

Eligibility: Transfers from two-year colleges must have their academic and amateur status certified, just as incoming freshmen do.

Permission to contact: Most transfers from four-year college or university to four-year college or university require a “permission-to-contact” letter from the current school’s athletics director to the new school’s coach or administrator. The new school cannot contact the student-athlete until the current school agrees to the contact. If the current school does not agree, the student-athlete can appeal.

Five-year clock: Division I student-athletes have five calendar years from the first enrollment at a two- or four-year school to compete four seasons of competition.

Academic year in residence: Research shows that student-athletes who remain at one college or university throughout their academic careers graduate at higher rates than those who transfer. To encourage an academic focus, the NCAA requires Division I student-athletes who transfer from a two-year school and do not meet transfer requirements or transfer from one four-year school to another four-year school to spend one academic year in residence before being eligible to play There are exceptions to the rule:
  • If the student-athlete has never transferred before from a four-year school and meets academic requirements, that student-athlete might be able to use the one-time transfer exception (except in baseball, basketball, men’s ice hockey or football).
  • If the first school dropped the sport of the affected student-athlete
  • If the student-athlete never has been recruited, received an athletics scholarship or practiced beyond a 14-consecutive day period at any school or participated in competition before transferring
  • If the student-athlete returns to the first school without participating at the second school
  • If the student-athlete did not practice or play in his or her sport for two years

Individual colleges or universities and conferences also often have their own rules governing transfers.
 

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The NCAA gives a recruit 5 years to use his 4 years of eligibility. The clock starts when you ENROLL in a 2 year or 4 year college. Whether you play as a Freshman, go JUCO, transfer, redshirt, or watch the grass grow the clock is ticking. For those going on a mission, the clock freezes during the mission. A 6th year to play 4 may be granted for medical reasons if approved by the NCAA. 5 to play 4 so he's burning one of the 5 not one of the 4.

I spent 4 hours last night in the world of google and NCAA links WITHOUT finding the exact rule. I used to be able to access the NCAA rules on their site and cite the appropriate section or post the actual verbiage. I've done that often on IE in the past but now its restricted, at least to me. My NCAA site search found mostly NCAA FAQs or information geared to HS prospects and their parents. The same or similar material that ThePiombino and DomerinHappyValley found. (Thanks to all that took the time to look for the applicable rule.)

National Collegiate Athletic Association and Governance/Eligibility and Recruiting/Eligibility/eligibility.html

Frequently-Asked Questions on Redshirts, Age Limits and Graduate Participation - NCAA.org

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/CB10.pdf (NCAA Eligibility Center 1009-10 Guide for the College-Bound Student-Athlete)

There are loads of posts, blogs, etc that discuss eligibility but I found none with a rule cite. I did find a lot of erroneous information in those blogs and discussions where many people try to apply their experience or an acquaintence's at a lower Division school or in another sport. Those anecdotes are not applicable. The NCAA has the different rules for different divisions, the number of scholarships as an example, and different rules for different sports within a division, fractional scholarships in "Olympic sports" is an example. The rules also change over time. What applied to us in different time, division, or sport may not apply today in Division 1 Football.

The post I made came from a small internet discussion group of hard core college fans (including several former players and a couple of college coaches) from across the country. This was before IE was a twinkle in Svo's eye, probably '03 or '04. I can time it as it was after Weinke won the Heisman and 2 computers before this one. There was controversy over Weinke's age. The 5 to play 4 rule was in effect then but somewhere around '02 the NCAA made modifications (perhaps the over 21 years of age playing "organized sports rule). One of the coaches in our group made the point about the clock starting with your year of graduation. He's now deceased, I couldn't resurrect him nor my old computer for reference, nor did I find a cite on the internet for that so I amended my original post to read from when you ENROLL in a 2 year of 4 year college rather than from when your HS class graduates. I don't have a cite for the actual rule but those words do appear in the NCAA documents at that links above.

You get 5 years to play 4 after you enroll in a 2 year or 4 year college as a Division 1 qualifer.

Academic non-qualifiers who use a year of college to get eligible lose that year off their 5 years and off their 4 as well so they would have a max of 3 years of PT. ND hasn't taken a non-qualifier since 1986 which I believe is the only time they did (2 in FB and 1 in BB).


Mea culpa for the confusion. I hope this clarifies things.
 

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That would explain the baseball side of it, and make more sense disproving my theory as to the clock not starting until you played an actual sport. I guess if that was the case you'd see a lot more people who dropped out of college after a year or two, decide to go back when they are say mid 20's and play some football. I guess the thing to do would be looking it up, but I'm not in the mood for a search. Anyone on IE not started their clock yet?! ;) God to do it all over again knowing then what I know now(classic midlife crisis statement!)

I haven't started my clock but I am 5'9", 200lbs and run a 5.0 forty.

Don't think that is good enough to make the squad.
 

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I haven't started my clock but I am 5'9", 200lbs and run a 5.0 forty.

Don't think that is good enough to make the squad.

I see you have put on some weight since your last tryout. I think you have a shot.

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I think we need an updated video though.
 

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I see you have put on some weight since your last tryout. I think you have a shot.

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I think we need an updated video though.

That's bert? You told me it was your Mauk video.




Sorry Jordan. Welcome home!
 

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I'm confused. Did I miss something? Why did the title go from Notre Dame to TBD? I thought it was official.
 

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It's unconfirmed whether or not all the paperwork is official yet

So what? There's no paperwork on Decker, Darby, Daly, Greenberry, Shepard, Ferguson, Baratti, Harrell, or Prosise either. They made a decision. We marked them Irish for their decision not for their paperwork that won't be in place until February 2012. We mark prospects with Offers before the NCAA even allows the paperwork to be sent. And then we don't know which Offers are "Official".

When a prospect like Lynch, Tuitt, AND Prestwood decommited from ND we changed their status. There was no paperwork we acknowledged the reports from the recruiting services and the new services. When they picked another school we changed it again. AND when Lynch and Tuitt RECOMMITTED to ND we didn't wait for notarized copies of their Letter of Intent.

It's a decision and that doesn't require paperwork.

If Robert Mundy say, "No"; change it then.
 

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So what? There's no paperwork on Decker, Darby, Daly, Greenberry, Shepard, Ferguson, Baratti, Harrell, or Prosise either. They made a decision. We marked them Irish for their decision not for their paperwork that won't be in place until February 2012. We mark prospects with Offers before the NCAA even allows the paperwork to be sent. And then we don't know which Offers are "Official".

When a prospect like Lynch, Tuitt, AND Prestwood decommited from ND we changed their status. There was no paperwork we acknowledged the reports from the recruiting services and the new services. When they picked another school we changed it again. AND when Lynch and Tuitt RECOMMITTED to ND we didn't wait for notarized copies of their Letter of Intent.

It's a decision and that doesn't require paperwork.

If Robert Mundy say, "No"; change it then.

You're right

I didn't change the title back to TBD

I don't think one of the mods wanted me to jinx him
 

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You're right

I didn't change the title back to TBD

I don't think one of the mods wanted me to jinx him


I know it wasn't you. I wasn't trying to shoot the messenger, just the message.

I just went back to the first thread (I'm the OP) to change the title and it changed before my eyes.

There is harmony in the Force once again.
 

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Sorry to ask a stupid question, but this means he'll be on the team this fall yeah?

(If you pay attention to my posts, they're mostly stupid questions..)
 

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Sorry to ask a stupid question, but this means he'll be on the team this fall yeah?

(If you pay attention to my posts, they're mostly stupid questions..)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that because this is a transfer from one D1 school to another he will have to sit out and will be ineligible to dress this year, but can partake in practice and other team activities. This doesn't seem to be a concern as the likelihood was that he would "redshirt" this year anyway.
 

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He will sit this year. It's basically a forced redshirt.

This is not a done deal yet.
 

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So... fellas.... does this mean that he has to sit out a year?









I kid... I kid....
 
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What's a redshirt?

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