How big of a threat will USC be this year?

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Our defense handled their offense pretty well at their place last year. Yes, Matt Barkley wasn't playing but I wouldn't say that was the problem. Mitch looked like he was getting the balls to his WRs, there was just a combination of good plays by ND's DBs and bad play by USC's WRs.

We completely stuffed their running ability. Which has me even more hopeful about this year because I know they lost 3 linemen, both guards and their center which should be pretty hard to replace. Not to mention they lost Bradford and Gable. They have Tyler and Baxter returning but Baxter is a bit of a whack-o from what I hear and who knows where he'll be come Oct. 22nd...

What did the lose, what are they returning and what did they bring in?

It is USC and I know they've still recruited really well so...

How concerned should we be?
 

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The game was so close that the smallest thing could have changed the outcome. Barkley may have made one more pass that would have extended a drive that would have led to a touchdown. Barkley may have made an audible at the line when RJ dropped the pass. USC has kicked our *** for a long time before last year. We should still be worried!

6-0
5-1
3-3
or 0-6

When they walk in our house I doubt that will matter. Kitten or no kitten these boys will play ball. I think we will win. If we win huge I will finally say we have become the better team. The hope, and odds you could say, are in our favor but I still am worried about that game.
 

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Our defense handled their offense pretty well at their place last year. Yes, Matt Barkley wasn't playing but I wouldn't say that was the problem. Mitch looked like he was getting the balls to his WRs, there was just a combination of good plays by ND's DBs and bad play by USC's WRs.

We completely stuffed their running ability. Which has me even more hopeful about this year because I know they lost 3 linemen, both guards and their center which should be pretty hard to replace. Not to mention they lost Bradford and Gable. They have Tyler and Baxter returning but Baxter is a bit of a whack-o from what I hear and who knows where he'll be come Oct. 22nd...

What did the lose, what are they returning and what did they bring in?

It is USC and I know they've still recruited really well so...

How concerned should we be?

That was entirely the problem. USC ran a very conservative scheme. There were hardly any passes beyond 5-10 yards.

Yes, if Tommy Rees hadn't turned the ball over at will we would've won by double digits, but USC's offense was far less effective without Barkley.

It's USC


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And this. The enormous talent is there, and considering how we've been utterly outclassed by far less talented teams consistently over the past decade and a half, this is cause for concern.
 

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USC very well might have the best offense in all of college football this year. It all depends on how their OL plays... because Barkley will be a proficient passer and they had oodles of talented skill position players. Robert Woods could be anything from average to the best WR in college football. His potential scares the crap out of me.

On the flip side, they are a couple injuries away from having a .500 football team. They are thin (not untalented) on both defense and on the OL. We had a big debate about this earlier in another thread and I firmly believe that if a couple of their question marks don't step up OR they have injuries to a couple of their veteran pieces... USC is looking at an 8 win season tops. Upside, yes. But they aren' remotely close to a proven commodity and could as easily crash and burn as they could put together a good season. Also, don't forget that Lane Kiffin has never done anything as a coach. Ever. That could easily cost them a couple points a game and a couple Ws over the course of the season.

With all that being said... no matter what way you slice it they are ALWAYS a threat.
 

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No O-line. The defense keeps getting worse and worse. Coach is a joke, But they have a lot of Wide Receivers
 

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Yes $C has talent. Yes they beat us 7 times in a row. New coaches, new teams, new result. Those of you who have been around awhile may remember that we owned them for 13 years (12-0-1) not so very long ago. I refuse to fear U$C. I HATE them! I hate their song girls, their ridiculous band uniforms, their wretched stadium, all of their school songs, and especially that ***** horse. It's time we restore order to the universe, and crush them.
 

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No O-line. The defense keeps getting worse and worse. Coach is a joke, But they have a lot of Wide Receivers

Kitten is a joke, but Monte is not. The consensus seems to be that Monte's defense was too complicated last year. I expect him to dumb it down this year and focus on execution, which will probably result in defensive improvements for them.
 

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It'll be our most difficult game all year, in my opinion. Even harder than Stanford away.

Top to bottom, their team is good. Let's see how they play after the first game or two before we start writing off their o line or defense.
 

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I get nervous playing usc every single season......But i will be predicting a blowout haha
 
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I hate USC just as much as anyone, but they're going to be really good.

The last 4 years they've had a top ten class, every year (#2 in 2007; their seniors). You can say what you want about development, but they have a TON of talent.
 

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who cares about USC, they don't even play us this year and Spurrier is a D Bag...


wait, you mean the other... wait, I'm sorry... I thought you meant the good one.
 

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USC's offensive line is probably their biggest question mark for a critical area. They have question marks elsewhere, but I don't believe they are as critical as the OL is to the success of the offense.

Looking at highly ranked classes is misleading as it relates to the OL. In the last few years, the actual numbers of linemen recruited has not kept up with matriculation of the veterans.

Not only is USC's line not highly ranked (during recruitment), but their numbers are low, the career starts are very low, their total games played are low and if the injury bug strikes one or more lineman they could be forced to start freshman.

Being in Southern California and believing it is important to study thy enemy, I've followed USC's OL and looked at the numbers extensively. Here is what I've gathered on USC's OL:
2011 USC OL Depth

Seniors/RS-Sr (1 of 13)
RG Martin Coleman 6-5/335 (RS-Sr): No starts in the last three years. Played in 3 games in 2010, last one on Oct. 16, 2010. Only other game experience was a few snaps during the 2009 season opener against Virginia (left w/an ankle injury). Originally recruited for tackle, he bounced back and forth between RT and RG because his size limited his mobility. His OL coach wants him to lose more weight to get down to 310. He is the projected starter at right guard.

Juniors/RS-Jr (5 of 13)
LT Matt Kalil - 6-7/295 (RS-Jr): Returning starter at left tackle. Became a starter in 2010 and started all 13 games. USC’s best lineman.

C/RG Khaled Holmes – 6-4/300 (RS-Jr): Became a starter in 2010 and started all 13 games at RG. Penciled in as the starting center for 2011 mostly due to lack of bodies and the emergence of Martin Coleman at RG. Did not play at all during spring due to injury.

C Abe Markowitz – 6-1/285 (RS-Jr): Began his career as a walk-on in 2008. Played in the first game in 2009 (v. San Jose State), but did not play thereafter. He earned a scholarship in the fall of 2010, but did not play at all due to a foot injury. Height of 6-1 will limit his position options.

OT/OG David Garness - 6-5/290 (Jr-JC Tr): Junior college transfer played exclusively tackle at JC and bounced between tackle and guard during spring practice. Rated a 2* by Scout.

OT Jeremy Galten - 6-4/285 (Jr-JC Tr): Junior college transfer played guard throughout JC. Recruited to play tackle. Rated a 2* by Scout.

Soph/RS-So (2 of 13)
G/C John Martinez - 6-2/290 (RS-So): originally recruited to play center, he was moved to guard in 2010 and is fighting for the starting left guard spot. No starts in 2010 but he did play in 3 games; last game action was against Cal on Oct. 16, 2010.

RT/LT Kevin Graf - 6-6/300 (RS-So): RS his freshman year. No starts but played in 4 games in 2010, last one being Cal in Oct. 16, 2010. Was the back-up left tackle but will likely be moved to starting right tackle due to lack of depth. He did not play at all during spring due to injuries.

RS-Frosh (1 of 13)
G/C Giovanni Di Poalo - 6-6/295 (RS-Fr): RS in 2010; has not played in any games. Ideal size for tackle, but he is better suited for guard. Is 2nd on the spring depth chart at left guard, behind a 6’2” converted center.

Incoming Freshmen (4 of 13) – (no early enrollees)
C Cody Temple – 6-3/280 (Fr): Rated a 3* by Rivals & Scout as a DT. Expected to play center.

OG Aundrey Walker – 6-5/365 (Fr): 4* guard on Rivals and Scout. Reported weight during recruitment was 355, now up to 365 and one source has him at 375. USC has him penciled in as 3rd RT even though Martin Coleman had difficulty playing tackle at 340lbs.

OG Marcus Martin – 6-3/357 (Fr): Ranked a 3* guard. Another 350+ OL.

G Cyrus Hobbi - 6-4/285 (Fr): 4* guard on Rivals and Scout. Most likely to see playing time (at guard) in 2011, due to the lack of talent and depth presently on the roster.

Notes:

6 scholarship linemen were healthy for spring practice. Two expected starters (Holmes and Graf) did not play at all during spring. Three walk-ons got a significant number of reps with the 1st team offense.

The OL has 13 scholarship players (one of whom is a former walk-on) for 2011 assuming everyone injured during the spring is healthy enough to play in September. 6 of the 13 will be in their first year in a USC uniform.

There are two returning starters (Kalil-RT, Holmes-RG) though Holmes is likely moving positions from RG to center. The cumulative starts for all scholarship linemen is 26, all of which belong to Kalil and Holmes. The total Div-1 game experience for the remaining 11 scholarship offensive linemen is 12 games (Coleman – 4, Graf – 4, Martinez - 3, Markowitz – 1).

Three of the likely new starters (Coleman, Martinez and Graf) played their last game in October 2010 against Cal and did not play in any of the remaining 6 games for 2010.

Even with two junior college transfers, there are more scholarship linemen in the under classes (7) than the upper classes (6).

During spring, the passing game was limited to short and quick passes designed to get the ball out quickly. This is believed to be in part due to the OL’s inability to pass protect for very long.
 

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Post-Spring/Beginning Fall Depth Chart

LT
Matt Kalil - 6-7/295 (RS-Jr) – returning starter
David Garness - 6-5/290 (Jr-JC Tr) –

LG
John Martinez - 6-2/290 (RS-So) – converted center; 3 career games
or
Giovanni Di Poalo - 6-6/295 (RS-Fr) – 0 career games
Patrick Kim – 6-3/305 (RS-Fr walk-on)
Marcus Martin – 6-3/357 (Fr) – incoming freshman

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Khaled Holmes – 6-4/300 (RS-Jr) - starting RG last year, DNP spring
Abe Markowitz – 6-1/285 (RS-Jr) – 1 career game, DNP spring
Cody Temple – 6-3/280 (Fr) – incoming freshman

RG
Martin Coleman 6-5/335 (RS-Sr) – 4 career games
or
Nathan Guertler 6-5/255 (RS-Fr walk-on)
Cyrus Hobbi - 6-4/285 – incoming freshman

RT
Kevin Graf - 6-6/300 (RS-So) – 4 career games, DNP spring
or
Jeremy Galten - 6-4/285 (Jr-JC Tr) – played guard at JC
Peter Yobo – 6-5/235 (RS-Sr walk-on)
Aundrey Walker – 6-5/365 (Fr) – may be up to 375-lbs
 

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News Reports out of Spring

USC football: The state of the offensive line
April 6th, 2011,
by Michael Lev, staff writer OC Register

I had a chance to chat with USC offensive line coach James Cregg after Tuesday’s practice. Here are some of the takeaways:

** The current unit bares little resemblance to the projected starting five come fall. The only certain starter currently practicing is left tackle Matt Kalil. Khaled Holmes will get first crack at center; likewise Kevin Graf at right tackle. The guard spots are up for grabs.

** Even though John Martinez is working at center right now, he’ll be in the mix at guard in training camp. Cregg believes playing the more difficult center spot only will help the redshirt sophomore. “It’s going to be a great learning tool for him come fall when he’s playing guard,” Cregg said. “I’ve been really impressed with how John has adapted there. It’s a hard position to play.”

** Cregg likes the way junior-college transfer Jeremy Galten has battled at right tackle. Cregg is keeping the other JC guy, David Garness, on the left side, where he has played both tackle and guard. Both conceivably could start, but the guess here is that they’ll be valuable, versatile backups.

** Cregg and his colleagues believe Martin Coleman‘s best position is guard; he’s been playing the RG spot almost exclusively this spring. “At tackle,” Cregg said, “it’s a lot of space to cover with that big of a body.” The 6-foot-5 senior weighs 325 pounds, but the coaching staff wants him to get down to 310. He weighed 355 when they arrived a year ago. “When he gets down more, he’ll move even better,” Cregg said.

** Every time I bring up Kalil with Cregg, the first thing the coach mentions is “technique.” Considering what Lane Kiffin had to say about Kalil, it’s pretty clear the next step for the ultra-talented redshirt junior is to master the finer details of his position. “Matt’s going to be a good player,” Cregg said. “We’ve just got to keep working on his technique and getting him better there. When he wants to work, he is freaking off the hook.”


Practice Update – 4/7
by Erik McKinney
Asst Editor WeAreSC.com

Garness has been playing left guard mostly, but will slide out to left tackle and is playing a little right tackle as well. With Galten going down today, it was all hands on deck for the offensive line. Martin Coleman saw time at right tackle and Patrick Kim had a bunch of reps at right guard. The plan is obviously to keep Coleman at guard, but when there are no available tackle bodies, he's the guy capable of moving outside.


Interview of OL coach Cregg 4/10:

“We have two returning starters in Holmes and Kalil, and both guys are like having extra coaches on the field. After that, we’re just trying to figure it all out.”

The figuring begins with the returners who might see the most action.

“John Martinez, Martin Coleman and Kevin Graf are all going to play—they’re all getting better (although Graf is not in contact drills yet) and will be bigger, stronger and ready to go this fall.”

He was not as positive, yet, about the two new JC guys. “73 and 74 (David Garness & Jeremy Galten) are learning right now, but they have some work to do to pick up parts of their game they did not have to use as much in the offenses they were involved with in JC ball.”

Where USC Football Is and Isn't Moving Forward this Spring
By Paul "SC Oldtimer" Hoffman
WeAreSC Contributor
Posted Apr 13, 2011

You can tell by simply looking at the stats on Saturday that the emphasis at USC this spring is on the short passing game and running off tackle. Lane Kiffin has stated that because of the offense's patchwork offensive line, they have worked on getting rid of the ball quickly and so the offense has been very conservative.

That means there is not of lot of work being done on USC's vertical game. You can tell by WR Roberts Woods catching 10 passes for only 52 yards that USC is not throwing the ball down field. Kiffin has stated that in his after-practice interviews. So you are not seeing a lot of vertical patterns being run or practiced.

Watch the offense in last year's ND game until USC's final drive, and you will get the picture.

My concern is how do you move forward in a vertical passing game without practicing it? You have to work on it. And I believe that it's in the vertical game that QB Matt Barkley and WR Robert Woods greatest strengths lie. USC has got to play to its strengths and not its weakness. If their strength is in its skill players don't handcuff them with fears about the offensive line.

When WR George Farmer shows up in the fall and with WR Devon Flournoy right now you've got some powerful home run hitters to play alongside of WR Robert Woods. Just throwing them bubble and middle screens would be like asking Babe Ruth to bunt.

QB Matt Barkley's got the arm to get the ball anywhere. The question has been, "Can the OL give them the time and space they need?"

USC's offense is not going to score many points during the season with 20 play drives picking up four yards a play. August could be a little late to open up the offense. I know USC has a patchwork offensive line right now, but is that just an excuse for falling back into the conservative offense that sputtered in the second half of the 2010 season?


Spring Ball Position Recap
By Erik McKinney
WeAreSC Assistant Editor
Posted Apr 22, 2011

Offensive Line

Easily the biggest question mark heading into the spring, the offensive line certainly didn’t provide any answers. Matt Kalil is a guaranteed starter at left tackle and showed that he could be an All-Conference performer. Khaled Holmes missed virtually all of spring ball due to a neck stinger, but he’s set at the center position for the season.

Outside of those two, spring ball was about the Trojan coaches getting a glimpse at players they had basically never seen on the field before. Both John Martinez, at center and left guard, and Martin Coleman, at right guard, may be considered veterans in terms of the amount of time they’ve been at USC, but they are newcomers to the starting lineup. And while both seemed to take major steps forward given the extended playing time, neither locked down starting spots, according to coaches.

Kevin Graf and Abe Markowitz would have been nice additions to an offensive line lacking depth, but both were recovering from injuries and unable to take part. Incoming junior college transfers David Garness, left guard and both tackle positions, and Jeremy Galten, right tackle, jumped right into the starting lineup to begin spring, but with so much ground to cover in terms of making the adjustment to this level of football, neither seems to be a real option for playing time at this point in their careers.

Still in his first year, Giovanni Di Poalo is still getting his feet wet at this level as well. Playing both center and left guard, Di Poalo spent time with the first team this past week, but hasn’t given the coaches enough yet to be considered a solid starting option. Because of the lack of depth, the Trojans also received extensive play this spring from walk-ons Peter Yobo, Nathan Guertler and Patrick Kim.
 
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