Michigan offense struggles in spring game

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if they want to get the most out of him he should be a slot or a RB...definitely not a good fit in the pro style offense.
 

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Trying to find highlights. The only one I've found so far is Denard scrambling for 55 yards on the game's first play.
 

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yea it was a designed QB draw that the O coordinator said he called to calm his nerves???? if he's nervous for a spring game after playing in the atmospheres he's played in???

he should be a receiver by summer if they want to get the most out of him
 

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To note another spring game, Sunseri threw the ball 55 times in Pitts spring game today. Tulsa offense already installed I guess.
 

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I got to see the highlights... Denard is the exact same as he was last year. Very limited in the throws he can make... he was an awesome fit for RR's offense but unless he really improves between now and August I don't see how he is going to fit what they want to do.
 

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I got to see the highlights... Denard is the exact same as he was last year. Very limited in the throws he can make... he was an awesome fit for RR's offense but unless he really improves between now and August I don't see how he is going to fit what they want to do.

you are correct...however, i don't see him improving. he's just not a pro style QB and they are soft right now up front on the o line, but i think that will change.
 

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Michigan will be fine. Hoke is a very good coach

Yeah, I mean, he's been a winner everywhere he has been and wasn't the 3rd/4th choice for the job because he has a weak coaching resume.

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People being optimistic about Hoke are the same people who thought Tyrone Willingham would do a great job.
 

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They're not going to be running a true pro style offense with DR. There will still be plenty of shotgun, plenty of option reads, etc.

DR may never be a premier thrower, but he's just good enough to hurt, plus his running skills I don't think we need to talk about.
 

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We have lost to them 2 of the last 3 years in the worst teams in UM history. We have no reason to be cocky at this point.

Never implied that we're better.

In fact, Crist and Rees had worse days than Robinson today.
 

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Brady Hoke's halftime speech...

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Yeah, I mean, he's been a winner everywhere he has been and wasn't the 3rd/4th choice for the job because he has a weak coaching resume.

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People being optimistic about Hoke are the same people who thought Tyrone Willingham would do a great job.

I believe I sense the sarcasm in your post. Didn't he turn around both programs he coached at? This guy took top ranked teams to the wire with San Diego State...one of the worst teams in the country a couple years ago. Yeah he's got a lot to prove, but he'll be bring Michigan back soon enough.
 

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rtrn2glory - yea it was a designed QB draw that the O coordinator said he called to calm his nerves???? if he's nervous for a spring game after playing in the atmospheres he's played in???

Bill Russell used to throw up before every single game, and he was perhaps the greatest team player in the history of sports (and I'm a Lakers fan). Athletes get nervous. Big deal. Robinson proved that on the big stage, he produces.

he should be a receiver by summer if they want to get the most out of him.

Why, so he can touch the ball like 6 times a game? Or of they're creative, 10 times a game?

WR is their deepest position - why move him there?

And who's going to throw him the ball? Their back-up is also an option-read/spread QB who is NOT better than Robinson at this time.

Why would you take a guy who was a Heisman candidate at one time last year, your most electrifying player player and your best player, and have him learn a brand new position in which nobody will be able to get the ball to him anyway? I could see if he had Ryan Mallett behind him, then yeah, move him to wideout. But he's the best Michigan has, because RR set up his offense that way. So Hoke is doing it the way he thinks is right, teaching him the pro-style offense while also keeping a lot of the spread principals in place.

I don't doubt that Denard is going to struggle, but who else are you going to put back there???
 

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I believe I sense the sarcasm in your post. Didn't he turn around both programs he coached at? This guy took top ranked teams to the wire with San Diego State...one of the worst teams in the country a couple years ago. Yeah he's got a lot to prove, but he'll be bring Michigan back soon enough.

While I absolutely agree with your post, his career record is below .500. Something like 47-50 lifetime as a head coach. I think he turns Michigan around because he's a players coach. Everywhere he's been the players absolutely love and respect him.
 

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I believe I sense the sarcasm in your post. Didn't he turn around both programs he coached at? This guy took top ranked teams to the wire with San Diego State...one of the worst teams in the country a couple years ago. Yeah he's got a lot to prove, but he'll be bring Michigan back soon enough.

He had one good year out of three at Ball State where he beat a bunch of terrible teams to go 12-0 in the regular season.... and then got embarrassed 45-13 by an unranked and very average Tulsa team.

At San Diego state he took a very bad team to 4-8 and then 9-4... and his big claim to fame was playing some top teams close. He never beat any of them and won the first bowl game of his career over Navy.

Yes, he might turn out to be a good coach, but as of right now his coaching resume is very weak and very reminiscent of Tyrone Willingham who brought a 44-36-1 record from Stanford to Notre Dame with only one good year (like Hoke... except Tyrone's good year featured a Rose Bowl appearance... not a 9-4 record with their two best wins being Air Force and Navy) with people saying "if he could do it at Stanford, he'll be awesome at Notre Dame!"

I really think we might lose to Michigan this year because it's a night game + we won't have very much film on them because they only play Western Michigan before us. But also count me as someone not on the Brady Hoke bandwagon until he does anything on a big stage.
 
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Michigan is Michigan. They've beat us 2 out of the last three seasons. Robinson is the most elusive player in college football, in my opinion. He plays up for Notre Dame.

Meat Chicken will not be an easy win by no stretch of the means.

Hoke: This is his big gig. He will either regain the Michigan team of olde, or be another "no nevermind" type of coach.

Both Michigan and ND have had their share lately.

I hate Michigan the week we play them. And then I root for them the rest of the season, especially pOSU week.

I hope them the best, until we suit up to destroy them in the Big House in front of a sold out crowd with throw backs on...
 

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He had one good year out of three at Ball State where he beat a bunch of terrible teams to go 12-0 in the regular season.... and then got embarrassed 45-13 by an unranked and very average Tulsa team.

At San Diego state he took a very bad team to 4-8 and then 9-4... and his big claim to fame was playing some top teams close. He never beat any of them and won the first bowl game of his career over Navy.

Yes, he might turn out to be a good coach, but as of right now his coaching resume is very weak and very reminiscent of Tyrone Willingham who brought a 44-36-1 record from Stanford to Notre Dame with only one good year (like Hoke... except Tyrone's good year featured a Rose Bowl appearance... not a 9-4 record with their two best wins being Air Force and Navy) with people saying "if he could do it at Stanford, he'll be awesome at Notre Dame!"

I really think we might lose to Michigan this year because it's a night game + we won't have very much film on them because they only play Western Michigan before us. But also count me as someone not on the Brady Hoke bandwagon until he does anything on a big stage.

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Also, his teams are also 1-12 against ranked teams. I don't get how people can pull the "Hoke is a good coach" bs card. Why? Because he took some crappy, small time programs to good seasons? Pleeze... that should get you an opportunity to coach UConn... not Michigan.

He was a scramble pick that they only hired to save face. He was in the right place at the right time. I'm not saying that he wont be successful, but if he is, its not because he has proved his ability to do so.
 

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I just think it really says something that he was their 3rd or 4th option. Michigan claimed that they never offered any other coaches, but shortly after it came out that Miles was offered and turned it down. I've also heard that Harbaugh was offered more money than the 49ers job, but had his heart set on the pros. I think he was a good coach for the mid majors, but I am skeptical about his ability to turn Michigan back into a national power.

I do know one thing, the defense will be better.
 

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This will not happen with Lynch on the field.

actually this is said to be his weak spot... a QB that can move in the read option... don't think UM is scrapping that completely now... it's the best weapon they have.
 

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Look:

Michigan is Michigan. They've beat us 2 out of the last three seasons. Robinson is the most elusive player in college football, in my opinion. He plays up for Notre Dame.

Meat Chicken will not be an easy win by no stretch of the means.

Hoke: This is his big gig. He will either regain the Michigan team of olde, or be another "no nevermind" type of coach.

Both Michigan and ND have had their share lately.

I hate Michigan the week we play them. And then I root for them the rest of the season, especially pOSU week.

I hope them the best, until we suit up to destroy them in the Big House in front of a sold out crowd with throw backs on...

this... history has shown me year after year with VERY few exceptions that the worse team will win this game... when they are better we win, when we are they ALWAYS win... that is just this game... few UM fans really made the case they were a better team last year... fewer still should this year... but they will show up to play and they do in fact have some talent were needed... DR obviously highlights that list.

I am expecting a loss until proven otherwise on that logic alone personally
 

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actually this is said to be his weak spot... a QB that can move in the read option... don't think UM is scrapping that completely now... it's the best weapon they have.

This is correct.

I believe Mayock mentioned during the broadcast that Aaron went after the RB every time on the zone read. If the QB had kept, Aaron would have whiffed every time.


The problem yesterday for Michigan was that their OL is only decent, and so when faced against their excellent DL they somehow managed to open some running lanes, but they really struggled to defend the pass rush, often having two or three defenders in the backfield almost immediately after the snap.

Their second team OL was atrocious. They opened no running lanes and offered absolutely zero pass protection for Devin Gardner, who was running for his life on just about every play.

Speaking of Gardner, he's a mediocre passer. He was very unimpressive throwing the football. He had two big completions that were awful throws, one being a deep ball thrown into double coverage that was snagged by the wide receiver, and the other being a horrible fade that would have been intercepted by any half decent corner (can be seen on the highlights I posted on page one). Hopefully the inability to make a play on the ball of these corners persists.
 

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Living here in Michigan, I hate Michigan. I don't really have an opinion on Hoke. I'm just happy Michigan past on BK a couple years ago and chose **** Rod instead. But remember alot of the questions surrounding Hoke and his past HC jobs are the same that were raised about BK. Although I will say BK had a much more impresive resume, the questions were raised.
 

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He had one good year out of three at Ball State where he beat a bunch of terrible teams to go 12-0 in the regular season.... and then got embarrassed 45-13 by an unranked and very average Tulsa team.

At San Diego state he took a very bad team to 4-8 and then 9-4... and his big claim to fame was playing some top teams close. He never beat any of them and won the first bowl game of his career over Navy.

Yes, he might turn out to be a good coach, but as of right now his coaching resume is very weak and very reminiscent of Tyrone Willingham who brought a 44-36-1 record from Stanford to Notre Dame with only one good year (like Hoke... except Tyrone's good year featured a Rose Bowl appearance... not a 9-4 record with their two best wins being Air Force and Navy) with people saying "if he could do it at Stanford, he'll be awesome at Notre Dame!"

I really think we might lose to Michigan this year because it's a night game + we won't have very much film on them because they only play Western Michigan before us. But also count me as someone not on the Brady Hoke bandwagon until he does anything on a big stage.

Film schmilm. We had plenty of film on Navy, and knew exactly what they were going to do. How'd that work out for us? We could easily lose to Michigan this year, but it won't have anything to do with film.
 

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Film schmilm. We had plenty of film on Navy, and knew exactly what they were going to do. How'd that work out for us? We could easily lose to Michigan this year, but it won't have anything to do with film.

Au contraire... the reason why Navy smoked us is that we practiced all week for an offense that they didn't run. Instead, they went to the veer which we had 0 film on. If you don't think film and scouting reports matter... well, I question what coaches you had.
 
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