Mauk vs. Kiel

[delt1147]

With his parents. A commit from him would be great coming into the Spring game weekend.

So you would rather have Mauk than Kiel? Please explain why. I would be amazed if both would commit.

 

[Ironman8]

So you would rather have Mauk than Kiel? Please explain why. I would be amazed if both would commit.

I would love either one, don't get me wrong. It's a personal preference, from a want perspective, and I'd say Mauk is a 10 and Kiel is a 9.8. I simply think that Mauk is a better fit for the system BK runs; Albeit Coach Kelly undoubtedly tailors his system to his quarterback's strengths, not the other way around. One would argue then to take the QB with the better skills then, which I don't refute. I just love Mauk's competitive nature, his intangibles, his running ability, and his indisputable will to win. He has a great arm, and has good accuracy despite the fact that his throwing motion is somewhat unorthodox, and should be refined by good coaching at the next level, especially helping his footwork. Again, I would love to have either, or both. But if you made me choose, I would lean toward Mauk.

 

[IrishLax]

I loved Mauk until I started reading comments around the interwebz. Some of the stuff people had to say was quite disturbing. I read that he is a cocky hot head and the whole family has a sense of entitlement. Also, I've read that he has a much worse deep ball (and overall accuracy) than his brother Ben but is probably a better overall athlete. I have yet to read anything seriously negative on Kiel.

Personally, I'd rather grab the higher rated kid from Indiana (who also happens to have a family connection) to 'protect our turf' and add another blue chip to our young class. I think Mauk has an awesome ceiling since he is such a great fit for our offense but I worry about the risk of taking someone who some think has attitude problems.

If only we could have both....

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Kiel is a much better prospect.

That's all of my two cents.

 

[johnnykillz]

I think either kid is a great pick up at this point, with only two prospects verbally committed at this point in time. We really need to pick up a few. I think this could help Tee realize he made the right choice.

In fact, I live in fear of losing Tee. Mauk seems passionate, for all of the reasons others have interpretted his actions as negative. Perception is reality, but then again I remember a certain Jimmy Clausen with all of the negative reviews, and I'd have loved to had Clausen under center along with Tate again last year...

And Kiel: He's too late a hold out. The earlier a kid commits here, the more of a RKG I think the kid will be. It's great to want, and better to feel wanted.

Huh guys?

 

[Ironman8]

I think either kid is a great pick up at this point, with only two prospects verbally committed at this point in time. We really need to pick up a few. I think this could help Tee realize he made the right choice.

In fact, I live in fear of losing Tee. Mauk seems passionate, for all of the reasons others have interpretted his actions as negative. Perception is reality, but then again I remember a certain Jimmy Clausen with all of the negative reviews, and I'd have loved to had Clausen under center along with Tate again last year...

And Kiel: He's too late a hold out. The earlier a kid commits here, the more of a RKG I think the kid will be. It's great to want, and better to feel wanted.

Huh guys?

I agree 100%. The same attitude in QBs some see as cocky or even arrogant can make them great winners on the field. I love that attitude in a Quarterback, which is part of the reason I love Mauk. The kid is just a winner, plain and simple IMO.

 

[IrishLax]

I agree 100%. The same attitude in QBs some see as cocky or even arrogant can make them great winners on the field. I love that attitude in a Quarterback, which is part of the reason I love Mauk. The kid is just a winner, plain and simple IMO.

Touche. I can appreciate that perspective. Not sure if this is a repost (too lazy to check) but this vid was posted about 2 months ago with his junior year highlights:
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There are a couple throws in there that are really pretty. He throws very well on the run for a high schooler... although we of course don't get to see the low lights. His arm strength seems to cap out around 50-55 yards right now.. mostly because he "flicks" the ball with his arm rather than using his whole body to step into the throw. This has pros and cons... the pros being a quick release and the cons being inaccuracy.

Also, it's important to note that he has solid speed... definitely somewhere in the 4.7ish range which is great. He reminds me a lot of Tate Forcier. I retract my previous statement and say sign him up. If he beats Gunner to the punch then so be it.

 

[johnnykillz]

Nice vid LAX! He's a gamer. I hope our dreams hold out, and Kiel and Mauk get to battle it out for control of our offense once Golson, Hendrix, and the boys go out with a NC...

It's completely possible but unlikely however.

 

[GBdomer]

Guys i know some people are really high on Mauk here. But whats so great about him. He throws the ball like he is pitching a baseball. He throws a lot of picks. I know he throws up ridiculous numbers. And he has a hell of a lot more athletically ability than i will ever have. But someone posted this on another board and i couldn't agree more.


Plays weak competition.
- Is short for a D-1 QB.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level.
- Has a funky throwing motion.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season.

Honestly i am not doubting him maybe he is the next Colt MCcoy but honestly i dont think he will ever play over Andrew Hendrix or Everett Golson. Sorry if i am being negative Nancy but thats just how i feel. I have watched his youtube video probably more than anyone on here and there is still not one play where i am like WOW how did he do that. But with Everett Golson or Gunner Kiel i think to myself WOW how did he do that. Maybe its just me but i dont have a hard on for this kid like most people do.

 

[BGIF]

Guys i know some people are really high on Mauk here. But whats so great about him. He throws the ball like he is pitching a baseball. He throws a lot of picks. I know he throws up ridiculous numbers. And he has a hell of a lot more athletically ability than i will ever have. But someone posted this on another board and i couldn't agree more.


Plays weak competition.
- Is short for a D-1 QB.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level.
- Has a funky throwing motion.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season.

Honestly i am not doubting him maybe he is the next Colt MCcoy but honestly i dont think he will ever play over Andrew Hendrix or Everett Golson. Sorry if i am being negative Nancy but thats just how i feel. I have watched his youtube video probably more than anyone on here and there is still not one play where i am like WOW how did he do that. But with Everett Golson or Gunner Kiel i think to myself WOW how did he do that. Maybe its just me but i dont have a hard on for this kid like most people do.

Sounds like a solid 1 Star. So why did Kelly offer him?

 

[IrishLax]

Guys i know some people are really high on Mauk here. But whats so great about him. He throws the ball like he is pitching a baseball. He throws a lot of picks. I know he throws up ridiculous numbers. And he has a hell of a lot more athletically ability than i will ever have. But someone posted this on another board and i couldn't agree more.


Plays weak competition.
- Is short for a D-1 QB.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level.
- Has a funky throwing motion.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season.

Honestly i am not doubting him maybe he is the next Colt MCcoy but honestly i dont think he will ever play over Andrew Hendrix or Everett Golson. Sorry if i am being negative Nancy but thats just how i feel. I have watched his youtube video probably more than anyone on here and there is still not one play where i am like WOW how did he do that. But with Everett Golson or Gunner Kiel i think to myself WOW how did he do that. Maybe its just me but i dont have a hard on for this kid like most people do.

A for effort, F for execution:
- Is short for a D-1 QB. Height = 6'2" (maybe 6'1") Michael Vick, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, etc. are all around that height. Not to mention tons of successful college QBs (Kellen Moore, Heisman winner Troy Smith, etc.) who are shorter than he is.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB. Not even giving a response to this.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level. False. While he's not Cam Newton, Denard Robinson or Michael Vick he has enough speed to be dangerous a la Tate Forcier. He is easily as fast or faster than Tebow but not as big.
- Has a funky throwing motion. So what? You know who else has a funny throwing motion? Tim Tebow, Phillip Rivers and Michael Vick.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines. You mean he plays in an offense that gives him the most reps possible throwing the ball? And has played in it since he was a frosh? Sign me up. More reps = more experience.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season. No, he gets attention because he has been putting up gaudy numbers since he was a true frosh and was the Gatorade player of the year for Ohio. If his name was John Doe he would still be getting attention.

 

[woolybug25]

I guess i'll add my .02 on Mauk.

I am not one of the people that doubt his physical tools. In fact, I would argue that the crazy offensive scheme they run has given him the opportunity to get used to throwing 50-60 times a game. That muscle memory would help him in a QB competition against many pro-style QBs. But I have three concerns that make me want Kelly to stay away from Mauk.

1) First of all, I havent heard anything to the contrary that he has an incredibly bad attitude. Everywhere I have read about him, I read the same thing. He is a selfish player (probably passed down from his father, whom designed an offense to maximize how often his son touches the ball, completly disregarding the other players on his team) that has consistintly shown a "me first" perspective. I don't know if his attitude could work at ND. Go read what Michigan fans say about this kid, the majority of them feel this way. That's saying a lot considering how much love they had for guys like Tate Forcier.

2) I think his committment would hurt our chances of getting the #1 overall QB, in Gunner Kiel. I have been having a recurring nightmare where we got Mauk and Michigan got Kiel. They beat us 4 years in a row, Mauk gets kicked off of the team for being a jerk, Gunner wins the Heisman. I wake up to uncontrollable sobbing. Its pathetic, I know.

3) Getting a kid that is expecting to throw the ball 50+ times a game sends me a bad message about our commitment to the running game. We are a better team when we play stout defense and run the damn ball. Getting Mauk sends the message that the coaching staff is not realizing this, and still trying to put together a "speed freek" offense. Furthermore, if you happen to be a highly recruited RB, how confident would you be in getting touches if the team recruiting you just got a kid that plans on passing every down?

 

[Rocket89]

I won't be upset if Mauk doesn't come to Notre Dame, and I won't be surprised if he's not a star at the college level.

I think that pretty much sums up my feelings.

Why is Kelly recruiting him, you ask? Well I think it's because he knows Mauk doesn't have to come in and play right away and he can be a bit of a project. I think there's some comforting familiarity with knowing his family, some decent skill to work with, and he's probably essentially a safety net pick to fill our quota at quarterback.

There's a sense that we can do better than this (i.e. Kiel) but if we don't get a highly touted QB (which let's admit...isn't going to happen every year) I don't see a huge problem with bringing Mauk in as a long-term project.

 

[Irish in StPete]

My $0.02 against Wooley's

My $0.02 against Wooley's

Mr Wooley--

A few times I have read that Maty Mauk plays in a so-so league. His father recognized he had one star and 21 so-so players. He built his offense around his star. That is not
being selfish----that is being very smart. It has been the way football has been played since Rochne built his team around George Gipp.

Brian Kelly will be his coach and will build his offense with great running backs and great receivers to complement his QB--whomever it is. We have seen that already by the recruiting of his defense and his offensive line.

Keil is a Crist clone. Everyone here is anxiously waiting for Golson or Hendrix to replace Crist--------Mauk is a lot closer in size and ability to Golson than Kiel is. If you want to replace Crist why would you want another one?

That's my $0.02, and I rest my case. I imagine that our Coach will not care what either of us thinks---he will build a winning team and we will all be very happy. In the mean time
we all can have our 2 cents worth of opinion. And it is worth the 2cents and not a penny more.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I can't say that I am a huge fan of this kid. Sure he is talented, but I honestly think that there are better options out there. This kid is athletic for sure, but I'm not that impressed to be honest with his passing technique and it kind of concerns me. But if Brian Kelly and staff want him, then they should get him. They know better than all of us about who would be a good fit.

 

[woolybug25]

I guess I have .03

I guess I have .03

Mr Wooley--

A few times I have read that Maty Mauk plays in a so-so league. His father recognized he had one star and 21 so-so players. He built his offense around his star. That is not
being selfish----that is being very smart. It has been the way football has been played since Rochne built his team around George Gipp.

Brian Kelly will be his coach and will build his offense with great running backs and great receivers to complement his QB--whomever it is. We have seen that already by the recruiting of his defense and his offensive line.

Keil is a Crist clone. Everyone here is anxiously waiting for Golson or Hendrix to replace Crist--------Mauk is a lot closer in size and ability to Golson than Kiel is. If you want to replace Crist why would you want another one?

That's my $0.02, and I rest my case. I imagine that our Coach will not care what either of us thinks---he will build a winning team and we will all be very happy. In the mean time
we all can have our 2 cents worth of opinion. And it is worth the 2cents and not a penny more.

Good points, but let me counter your comments.

1) I disagree with his father just "utilizing his best assets". He did the same thing with his brother when he coached him too. My opinion is also not just based off of the fact that his son throws all the time, but because they also onside kick/ go for two almost every time. Those two items arent being done because it gives them the best chance to win, they are being done because it give Maty the best chance to get some stats. sidenote - Rochne is spelled Rockne, just a pet peeve of mine.

2) I dont see the evidence that Kelly & staff are building the offense off of great RB's at all. Evidence in fact, he didn't land a stud-type back in the last recruiting class. He also didn't recruit a heavy hitting power back either (ie like Hughes). Both could be looked at as signs of a lack of commitment to the run. Going after a throw first/spread QB and missing on a big time RB this recruiting year would be obvious signs of that lack of commitment.

3) Kiel is indeed a Crist clone. A big, smart, 5* stud. I dont think that many people are anxiously waiting for Golson to upend Crist. I think most people think that he gives us the best oppotunity to win and will be a great QB for us if he can stay healthy. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I thought most of us on here are excited about Crist this season. I personally, would love to have another Dayne Crist.

Who do you think Tony Pike is closer to body style and skill set wise? If you say Golson, then you should go look up his measurables and watch his highlights. He is much closer to Crist than Golson, and he had a lot of success.

 

[ColinKSU]

A for effort, F for execution:
- Is short for a D-1 QB. Height = 6'2" (maybe 6'1") Michael Vick, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, etc. are all around that height. Not to mention tons of successful college QBs (Kellen Moore, Heisman winner Troy Smith, etc.) who are shorter than he is.
- Is skinny for a D-1 QB. Not even giving a response to this.
- Not a dangerous runner at the D-1 level. False. While he's not Cam Newton, Denard Robinson or Michael Vick he has enough speed to be dangerous a la Tate Forcier. He is easily as fast or faster than Tebow but not as big.
- Has a funky throwing motion. So what? You know who else has a funny throwing motion? Tim Tebow, Phillip Rivers and Michael Vick.
- Plays in a complete joke of an offensive system designed by his dad to get him headlines. You mean he plays in an offense that gives him the most reps possible throwing the ball? And has played in it since he was a frosh? Sign me up. More reps = more experience.
- Gets attention for being the brother of a QB that had *one* semi-respectable college season. No, he gets attention because he has been putting up gaudy numbers since he was a true frosh and was the Gatorade player of the year for Ohio. If his name was John Doe he would still be getting attention.

A couple of things.

- Mauk isn't 6-2 or 6-1. I'm aware of what he's listed at, but trust me...he's more 5-11 or 6-0 if you see him in person. He is a small man. Will he grow? Maybe, but he's not 6-foot-2.

- He is skinny for a Division-1 QB. If he doesn't have a big frame (and he doesn't), you have to question how big he can get and what kind of pounding he can take.

- He is not a great running threat. You're correct in saying he's similar to Tate Forcier (in more than just physical ability. He's got Tate's attitude too) and that's not particularly impressive. Tate was such a success at Michigan that he's sitting on a bench in Coral Gables now.

- His throwing motion is funky and I can list a million guys with funky throwing motions who didn't pan out. You listed three that did. The numbers aren't on your side.

- Experience throwing a football is different than experience being a productive college football QB. Did you know he's never had a RB in his entire career? He has a GIGANTIC learning curve to overcome before he can ever even think about stepping on the field at Notre Dame.

- I'm aware of the stats he put up, but he had a head start on everyone else because he was Ben Mauk's little brother. Ben was Maty before Maty and won back-to-back state titles and was a Mr. Football and Gatorade Player of the Year. Without Ben, Maty doesn't get the attention he got because there are a lot of small-time QBs (and his school is nearly as small-time as you can get) in Ohio that put up great stats but don't get the love.

 

[IrishLax]

Good points, but let me counter your comments.

1) I disagree with his father just "utilizing his best assets". He did the same thing with his brother when he coached him too. My opinion is also not just based off of the fact that his son throws all the time, but because they also onside kick/ go for two almost every time. Those two items arent being done because it gives them the best chance to win, they are being done because it give Maty the best chance to get some stats. sidenote - Rochne is spelled Rockne, just a pet peeve of mine.

Only going to nitpick this one item. A lot of recent statistical analysis has shown that going for it on 4th down is very often the right decision except in a couple of scenarios. And if you don't have a good punter those scenarios go down to about nil. It's also been shown that you are better off bringing a full punt block every time unless you have truly dynamic return man. And that unless you have a kicker capable of ensuring they start inside the 40 10/10 times you're better off onside kicking.

Again, all of this is dependent on a lot of factors, but basically it's an accepted fact that coaches make conservative choices because they are risk averse due to the fact that a "bad gamble" can cost them their job even if it is statistically the best option. That is why only the Bill Belichiks of the world have the balls to go for it on 4th and 4, 4th and 1 from their own 30, etc.

 

[GoIrish41]

A couple of things.

Truth be told, I think I'd rather have Kiel than Mauk, but I'm certainly not going to be disappointed if we get Mauk. Moreover, everyone can wish for whomever they want. I'm not sure tearing one guy down to show how much better you think the other guy is the right way to go though. How about focusing on why you think Kiel is great and not how many flaws Mauk has. That is only going to get half of this board arguing with you.

- Mauk isn't 6-2 or 6-1. I'm aware of what he's listed at, but trust me...he's more 5-11 or 6-0 if you see him in person. He is a small man. Will he grow? Maybe, but he's not 6-foot-2. Personally, I think height for a QB, especially one in the spread, is way overblown.

- He is skinny for a Division-1 QB. If he doesn't have a big frame (and he doesn't), you have to question how big he can get and what kind of pounding he can take.
QBs are welcome in Longo's conditioning program. I think if the coaches believed his frame was too delicate for D1 football, they wouldn't have offered him.

- He is not a great running threat. You're correct in saying he's similar to Tate Forcier (in more than just physical ability. He's got Tate's attitude too) and that's not particularly impressive. Tate was such a success at Michigan that he's sitting on a bench in Coral Gables now.
I'm fairly certain BK doesn't want a Mike Vick type who picks up as many yards with his legs as his arm. He has said numerous times that he wants someone who can extend plays. What I've read about Mauk is that he is exceptional at extending plays and creating in the passing game. More importantly, I'd be careful casting Mauk as a guy with a bad attitude. Unless you know him, I'd say you making a judgement about his attitude is a bit over the top. And even if you do know him, your opinion is just that.

- His throwing motion is funky and I can list a million guys with funky throwing motions who didn't pan out. You listed three that did. The numbers aren't on your side.
I can also list a million guys with a great throwing motion who have failed, so the numbers even out in the end. Truth is, these type of comparrisons are silly. The guy can play, the coaches want him, and how the multitude of players transitioned from HS to college -- successfully or not -- will have no bearing on whether Mauk will succeed at the next level. His play will.

- Experience throwing a football is different than experience being a productive college football QB. Did you know he's never had a RB in his entire career? He has a GIGANTIC learning curve to overcome before he can ever even think about stepping on the field at Notre Dame.
He's had to read defenses, deal with rushing DLs and blitzing LBs, make plays with his feet to extend plays, and deliver the ball to open receivers (which, when it is all said and done he will be more successfuly at than any HS QB in history). The fact that he did all that without the benefit of a running game just makes it all the more impressive. And, every QB coming from HS to college has a huge learning curve. Why is it more pronounced for Mauk than anyone else?

- I'm aware of the stats he put up, but he had a head start on everyone else because he was Ben Mauk's little brother. Ben was Maty before Maty and won back-to-back state titles and was a Mr. Football and Gatorade Player of the Year. Without Ben, Maty doesn't get the attention he got because there are a lot of small-time QBs in Ohio that put up great stats but don't get the love.

When you are on the verge of breaking the all time record for passing yards in all of HS football history, you are going to get some attention no matter who your brother is. It may have gotten him some looks early on, but he's been driving that train himself for some time now.

 

[IrishLax]

A couple of things.

- Mauk isn't 6-2 or 6-1. I'm aware of what he's listed at, but trust me...he's more 5-11 or 6-0 if you see him in person. He is a small man. Will he grow? Maybe, but he's not 6-foot-2. Cool, I'll take your word from it but everything I've read said he is closer to 6' then 6'2".. I have never read a single thing suggesting he is sub 6'. Color me skeptic on the 5'11" thing.

- He is skinny for a Division-1 QB. If he doesn't have a big frame (and he doesn't), you have to question how big he can get and what kind of pounding he can take. Based on what and why does this matter? Tommy Rees is friggin tiny yet you have a huge contingent campaigning for him... so why does this matter?

- He is not a great running threat. You're correct in saying he's similar to Tate Forcier (in more than just physical ability. He's got Tate's attitude too) and that's not particularly impressive. Tate was such a success at Michigan that he's sitting on a bench in Coral Gables now. Tate Forcier was an incredibly good player for a frosh. His problem was his lack of work ethic in both football and the class room. I would LOVE a QB with Tate's size and passing ability. He could run well enough to keep you honest (and had a couple great runs to beat us and other teams) but was a pass first guy who threw a pretty solid ball.

- His throwing motion is funky and I can list a million guys with funky throwing motions who didn't pan out. You listed three that did. The numbers aren't on your side. And I can tell you a bunch of guys with a great throwing motion that didn't pan out either. The point is that throwing motion really doesn't matter in projecting how a guy will do as a QB in college. For the NFL I'll listen to throwing mechanics/footwork questions... but not for a kid coming out of high school having to play college ball. Sorry, but there is just way too much evidence to the contrary of a quirky throwing motion mattering at all.

- Experience throwing a football is different than experience being a productive college football QB. Did you know he's never had a RB in his entire career? He has a GIGANTIC learning curve to overcome before he can ever even think about stepping on the field at Notre Dame. .... I mean how do I argue with this? Who doesn't have gigantic learning curve going from HS to college? Of course experience throwing a football is different than running a complicated system in college and doing so well... that will be the same for any QB. But running a spread out offense with tons of different reads and getting tons of reps > than running a pro-style system with far less reps when it comes to developing your overall skillset as a passer. This applies to basically every sport known to man... more reps > less reps. And that is all I am saying.

- I'm aware of the stats he put up, but he had a head start on everyone else because he was Ben Mauk's little brother. Ben was Maty before Maty and won back-to-back state titles and was a Mr. Football and Gatorade Player of the Year. Without Ben, Maty doesn't get the attention he got because there are a lot of small-time QBs (and his school is nearly as small-time as you can get) in Ohio that put up great stats but don't get the love. I think this is well put. You're right that he does have a huge inherent advantage.

.

 

[woolybug25]

Only going to nitpick this one item. A lot of recent statistical analysis has shown that going for it on 4th down is very often the right decision except in a couple of scenarios. And if you don't have a good punter those scenarios go down to about nil. It's also been shown that you are better off bringing a full punt block every time unless you have truly dynamic return man. And that unless you have a kicker capable of ensuring they start inside the 40 10/10 times you're better off onside kicking.

Again, all of this is dependent on a lot of factors, but basically it's an accepted fact that coaches make conservative choices because they are risk averse due to the fact that a "bad gamble" can cost them their job even if it is statistically the best option. That is why only the Bill Belichiks of the world have the balls to go for it on 4th and 4, 4th and 1 from their own 30, etc.

I totally agree, but I will add that from what I have been told, Mauk's father hasnt used this strategy every year, only years when one of his sons is the QB. That's just what I have been told though, it would be interesting to hear from someone familiar with that programs opinion on that.

 

[TerryTate]

I'm not getting into this debate because I know very little about Mauk, the league, Ohio football, or anything to do with his family's perception.

I do know that Kelly likes him. There is not a huge need at QB next year, and Mauk is a top 200 prospect that wants to commit.

The allure of a 5 star QB seems to be skewing peoples' opinions here.

I thought Golson was the QB of the future? Did that change from 2 months ago?

If Mauk commits, I will be happy.

 

[PLACforever]

I'm not getting into this debate because I know very little about Mauk, the league, Ohio football, or anything to do with his family's perception.

I do know that Kelly likes him. There is not a huge need at QB next year, and Mauk is a top 200 prospect that wants to commit.

The allure of a 5 star QB seems to be skewing peoples' opinions here.

I thought Golson was the QB of the future? Did that change from 2 months ago?

If Mauk commits, I will be happy.

+1

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not getting into this debate because I know very little about Mauk, the league, Ohio football, or anything to do with his family's perception.

I do know that Kelly likes him. There is not a huge need at QB next year, and Mauk is a top 200 prospect that wants to commit.

The allure of a 5 star QB seems to be skewing peoples' opinions here.

I thought Golson was the QB of the future? Did that change from 2 months ago?

If Mauk commits, I will be happy.

I would say that our depth is another reason why we should pass on Mauk. It really wouldnt be the end of the world if we didn't get one this class (I know that its not Kelly's strategy though). It would be far worse to miss on a RB, which landing the #1 QB wouldnt hurt our chances with other offensive prospects. So how I look at it, I would rather miss on Gunner and be left with no QB in this class, then get a guy that may not even be good enough to ever start in Mauk. That is not meant to be down on Mauk's ability, it's just that I dont see him as a better prospect that Golson and Hendrix, and his commitment could be the sole cause of us missing on Gunner (who would probably then end up at Michigan and make us pay in the future).

That being said, Gunner is the real deal and you only get so many realistic shots to land a #1 overall QB. We got Clausen, but the last #1 QB Notre Dame got before that was Powlus. The opportunity to have a REAL shot at a #1 QB cant be more than once every decade, and I would assume that it is less than that for schools without the prestige of Notre Dame. The reward would be worth the risk, imo.

 

[Riddickulous]

Doesn't have D-1 size? What kind of hypocritical bull is that?

Everett Golson is 6'0", 180, and we are touting him as the future of the program.

Kelly has taken two-star players and made them look like All-American caliber QBs. Dan LeFevour (Kelly won the MAC championship with a freshman LeFevour at the helm), Tony Pike, and Zach Collaros have all played excellently in his system, and all three of them were two-star or three-star prospects. I'm sure if he's that high on Mauk that he'll be capable of making him a great QB, as well.

 

[GBdomer]

I am not hating on Mauk. But i just want to know why people are so high on him. Besides the ridiculous numbers he put's up.

 

[BGIF]

I am not hating on Mauk.

Your belabored posts betray you.

"Short", "Skinny" just when did Golson become 6-4, 230?

But i just want to know why people are so high on him. Besides the ridiculous numbers he put's up.

Probably because he's one of the few QBs that Kelly has offered while there are other highly touted QBs whose names were associated with ND that he hasn't.

 

[IrishLax]

Probably because he's one of the few QBs that Kelly has offered while there are other highly touted QBs whose names were associated with ND that he hasn't.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[Cali_domer]

Hearing he didn't commit this weekend.

Wants to discuss it with the family.

Come on Kiel, jump on board quickly.... Not saying Mauk is horrible but I think Kiel is a much better prospect IMHO....

 

[woolybug25]

Sounds like he might be Irish by the weekend though.

this is my nightmare...