The Not so Super Bowl.

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The Super Bowl game it self was a decent, fun to watch game.

But we have watched a watered down version of football this whole season, and have since the Carolina and Jacksonville expansions in the early 90s.. There are too many teams/players, playing too many games, in too many cities.

How many fumbled snaps, false start/off side penalties, do we have to watch. I say that out of the current players who fill a roster, 5-10%, dont even have the talent to play and are just needed because of the amount of teams. The talent is spread to thin.

Since there isnt any rookie salary scale(like NBA), and so many teams drafting, a team has to over spend on a great college player (draft), and then they are forced to start/play them, and then we get the pleasure of watching them learn on Sundays, instead of at practice.

What about the half full stadiums, If a team isnt making money, and the NFL has to help them pay their bills, uh, this a America, you fail and your teams folds. And plus if you dont have the fans to fill a stadium 8 or 9 times a year, just quit.

I hate the so called "parody", what the hell is a team doing in the playoffs, with a losing record? The game they are trying to play in, is the Super Bowl? The league is better when there are great teams, honestly, name one great team, we have a league with every team having the same talent, coaching is to much of a factor.
 

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This is a really stupid and completely ignorant post. I know I'm being a ****, but I've got to call a spade a spade.
 

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^This.

Were those thoughts going through your head as you watched the Super Bowl? If so, I feel bad for ya bro.
 

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You could fit all the people in the world that share the viewpoint expressed in the initial post into a phone booth.
 

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I clicked on this thread expecting to see a long rant on how atrocious the halftime show was.
 

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better be a big phone booth... I TOTALLY agree with the last paragrah if nothing else
 

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I clicked on this thread expecting to see a long rant on how atrocious the halftime show was.

I don't have a long rant in me, but it was terrible. They should limit halftime performers to include only those who possess some talent. I'm not a fan of the group, but even if you happen to like those songs, they don't translate when performed live because there is no real music being played and the people can't sing. Kind of a tough recipe for a live performance.
 

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I edited the post to give it a little more pizazz.

The Super Bowl game it self was a decent in bed.
But we have watched a watered down version of football this whole season, and have since the Carolina and Jacksonville expansions in the early 90s.. There are too many teams/players, playing too many games, in bed.
How many fumbled snaps, false start/off side penalties, in bed do we have to watch. I say that out of the current players who fill a roster, 5-10%, dont even have the talent to play in bed and are just needed because of the amount of teams. The talent is spread to thin in bed.

Since there isnt any rookie salary scale(like NBA), and so many teams drafting, a team has to over spend on a great college player (draft), and then they are forced to start/play them, and then we get the pleasure of watching them in bed, instead of at practice.

What about the half full stadiums, If a team isnt making money, and the NFL has to help them pay their bills, uh, this a America, you fail and your teams folds. And plus if you dont have the fans to fill a stadium 8 or 9 times a year, just quit.

I hate the so called "parody", what the hell is a team doing in the playoffs, with a losing record in bed? The game they are trying to play in, is the Super Bowl? The league is better when there are great teams, honestly, name one great team, we have a league with every team having the same talent in bed, coaching is to much of a factor.
 

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I guess everybody is too young to remember real professinal football. My bad, enjoy.
 

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Are you fat ACamp?:cheeburga


lol. ;)

6'1" 175... do the math... ;)


and yes, the NFL is watered down compared to 20 years ago... I think that is where the TC was going...

and I still agree
 

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I guess everybody is too young to remember real professinal football. My bad, enjoy.

Troll or just really out of touch?

The whole notion that there "isn't enough talent" in the NFL is beyond ridiculous. As is the idea that there are no "great teams." It really shows a fundamental misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about the NFL. I'm hesitant to even bother spending my time breaking it down for you because people who make hilariously inaccurate generalizations are typically either trolling or won't change their opinion. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now though and hope you have an open mind.

1. "How many fumbled snaps, false start/off side penalties, do we have to watch."

Last night there were ZERO first downs from penalties. There were 3 false starts and 0 offsides in the game... so false starts + offsides were better than average. There were ZERO fumbled snaps even with a new center for Pittsburgh.

With those stats, what the hell are you basing you assessment on? Do you know how many false starts or offsides there were in SB X or XX or XXV? I can't find any great breakdowns but to give you a hint Buffalo had FIVE 5-yard penalties in XXV by themselves so you make the inference on what that means. The bottom line is you are making a really ignorant claim based on no evidence from this SB nor any historical data.

2. "I say that out of the current players who fill a roster, 5-10%, dont even have the talent to play and are just needed because of the amount of teams. The talent is spread to thin."

Saying there isn't enough talent in the NFL is like saying there isn't enough sunshine in Aruba. It is simply a bogus statement if you have any understanding of what you're talking about. Every year there are dozens of players cut who could play in the league because there are simply not enough roster spots. See perennial Pro Bowler James Harrison who was cut four times before getting a roster spot that he could hold onto. Everyone in the NFL is an elite athlete or otherwise extremely gifted player. The stars of yesteryear like Terry Bradshaw wouldn't even sniff an NFL roster these days.

If talent was spread thin, how are undrafted FAs able to be solid contributors? How are guys fighting tooth and nail for their roster spots each year? How is the average career of a player only 3.4 years? There is only one position in the NFL where you can make a case that there "isn't enough talent" and that is QB because of the unique blend of tangibles and intangibles you need to play that position. But when you look back historically this is the single best era of all-around QB play in the history of the NFL so even that argument falls apart. Never have you had so many QBs as skilled and capable as Rivers, Manning, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Favre, McNabb, Brees, Ryan, etc. etc. As someone who has watched way too many classics on NFL Films... there is simply no comparison between the talent of the past decade and the talent of 20+ years ago.

3. "Since there isnt any rookie salary scale(like NBA), and so many teams drafting, a team has to over spend on a great college player (draft), and then they are forced to start/play them, and then we get the pleasure of watching them learn on Sundays, instead of at practice."

This is by far your most legitimate point... but it has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for three years under Favre and played lights out on Sunday. Roethlisberger came into the league and played great from his first snap onward. So yeah... good effort but this point has zero relevance to the SB.

4. "What about the half full stadiums, If a team isnt making money, and the NFL has to help them pay their bills, uh, this a America, you fail and your teams folds. And plus if you dont have the fans to fill a stadium 8 or 9 times a year, just quit."

Did you see a half full stadium at the SB? I saw a ridiculous shortage of seats. And stadiums have never sold out across the country. Ever. Check your facts. The NFL is at an all-time level of popularity in all markets. And literally every major sport (baseball, NBA, hockey, etc.) has some sort of revenue sharing... the NFL actually is the best at not being dependent on it. So when the system works... why the hell would you ever tell a team to "quit." You just show a complete lack of understanding of the economics of the NFL.

It's also important to point out that just because a team is filling the stands doesn't mean a team is making money... so your point just flat out fails to be logical from the onset. Did you know teams that make a Super Bowl run typically lose money on the run? I'm betting you didn't because you clearly don't know anything about how the NFL works.

5. I hate the so called "parody", what the hell is a team doing in the playoffs, with a losing record? The game they are trying to play in, is the Super Bowl? The league is better when there are great teams, honestly, name one great team, we have a league with every team having the same talent, coaching is to much of a factor.

It's parity, first of all. Coaching too much of a factor? What? That's like saying "RB is too much of a factor" or "QB is too much of a factor." Like wtf are you even getting at? That coaches should have no impact on the game? *shakes head sadly* There is a reason the trophy is called the LOMBARDI trophy. Coaches are supposed to have a profound impact in football. The game is built for schematics and personnel use to play a huge factor.

Saying the league is better with great teams is also very debatable. In past years people have complained when teams are so good they bench their starters in the final 2 weeks because they have nothing to play for. You want to see great? Look at the Patriots of a couple years ago that won more games in a row than the undefeated Dolphins from back in the day. And then they gave us an incredibly exciting Super Bowl. Why? Because of parity. Parity allowed the Giants to beat an 18-0 team. Rams vs. Titans was also an incredible Super Bowl and the Rams were a great team. A great Indy team got bounced early in the playoffs one year. Parity is what makes football exciting... no one would watch if the league had two or three teams that couldn't be touched and 30 teams that were there to get beat up. The "any give Sunday" mantra is the NFL. If you can't accept that, go watch the NBA where the regular season doesn't matter and you regularly have sub .500 teams make the playoffs. Or the MLB where you have ~.500 division winners all the time. Acting like any sport does it better than football or that something needs to be fixed in football is beyond asinine.

Alright. That's all. Have a nice day.

PS. The Patriots were darn close to "great" this year. The Patriots were totally dominant winning 13 out of 14 down the stretch and they beat up on some very good teams.
 

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LAX, there is alot of talent in the NFL, my point is it is spread too thin, thus we get a league of bad football, topped of by the mockery they called a championship.

Sorry, I dont have spell check.

Did it matter who coached those great players on the Cowboys, during their championship run? Barry Switzer....

I watch profesional football for great play, the NFL right ow is comparable to MLS soccer, I want premier league!

The NFL is in bad shape, I think the players are/have been locked out.
 

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6'1" 175... do the math... ;)


and yes, the NFL is watered down compared to 20 years ago... I think that is where the TC was going...

and I still agree

The NFL in 1991 had:

An 8-8 team make the playoffs (not much worse than 7-9 Seattle who finished 8-10 with a playoff win versus 8-9 NYJ who lost their playoff game). And a 9-7 playoff team. This year had only one playoff team with below 10 wins.

14% of teams (4/28) finish with 3 wins or less including 1-15 Indy. This year had (1/32) teams finish with 3 wins or less.

The super bowl champ did not win a game by less than 13+ points.

And football is watered down today? Maybe I'm not understanding what watered down means. Today I see most every team being competitive because there is such a saturation of talent across a large number of teams. It seems to me like 20 years ago you had one or two good teams and then varying degrees of rubbish.
 

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Troll or just really out of touch?

The whole notion that there "isn't enough talent" in the NFL is beyond ridiculous. As is the idea that there are no "great teams." It really shows a fundamental misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about the NFL. I'm hesitant to even bother spending my time breaking it down for you because people who make hilariously inaccurate generalizations are typically either trolling or won't change their opinion. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now though and hope you have an open mind.

1. "How many fumbled snaps, false start/off side penalties, do we have to watch."

Last night there were ZERO first downs from penalties. There were 3 false starts and 0 offsides in the game... so false starts + offsides were better than average. There were ZERO fumbled snaps even with a new center for Pittsburgh.

With those stats, what the hell are you basing you assessment on? Do you know how many false starts or offsides there were in SB X or XX or XXV? I can't find any great breakdowns but to give you a hint Buffalo had FIVE 5-yard penalties in XXV by themselves so you make the inference on what that means. The bottom line is you are making a really ignorant claim based on no evidence from this SB nor any historical data.

2. "I say that out of the current players who fill a roster, 5-10%, dont even have the talent to play and are just needed because of the amount of teams. The talent is spread to thin."

Saying there isn't enough talent in the NFL is like saying there isn't enough sunshine in Aruba. It is simply a bogus statement if you have any understanding of what you're talking about. Every year there are dozens of players cut who could play in the league because there are simply not enough roster spots. See perennial Pro Bowler James Harrison who was cut four times before getting a roster spot that he could hold onto. Everyone in the NFL is an elite athlete or otherwise extremely gifted player. The stars of yesteryear like Terry Bradshaw wouldn't even sniff an NFL roster these days.

If talent was spread thin, how are undrafted FAs able to be solid contributors? How are guys fighting tooth and nail for their roster spots each year? How is the average career of a player only 3.4 years? There is only one position in the NFL where you can make a case that there "isn't enough talent" and that is QB because of the unique blend of tangibles and intangibles you need to play that position. But when you look back historically this is the single best era of all-around QB play in the history of the NFL so even that argument falls apart. Never have you had so many QBs as skilled and capable as Rivers, Manning, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Favre, McNabb, Brees, Ryan, etc. etc. As someone who has watched way too many classics on NFL Films... there is simply no comparison between the talent of the past decade and the talent of 20+ years ago.

3. "Since there isnt any rookie salary scale(like NBA), and so many teams drafting, a team has to over spend on a great college player (draft), and then they are forced to start/play them, and then we get the pleasure of watching them learn on Sundays, instead of at practice."

This is by far your most legitimate point... but it has NOTHING to do with the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for three years under Favre and played lights out on Sunday. Roethlisberger came into the league and played great from his first snap onward. So yeah... good effort but this point has zero relevance to the SB.

4. "What about the half full stadiums, If a team isnt making money, and the NFL has to help them pay their bills, uh, this a America, you fail and your teams folds. And plus if you dont have the fans to fill a stadium 8 or 9 times a year, just quit."

Did you see a half full stadium at the SB? I saw a ridiculous shortage of seats. And stadiums have never sold out across the country. Ever. Check your facts. The NFL is at an all-time level of popularity in all markets. And literally every major sport (baseball, NBA, hockey, etc.) has some sort of revenue sharing... the NFL actually is the best at not being dependent on it. So when the system works... why the hell would you ever tell a team to "quit." You just show a complete lack of understanding of the economics of the NFL.

It's also important to point out that just because a team is filling the stands doesn't mean a team is making money... so your point just flat out fails to be logical from the onset. Did you know teams that make a Super Bowl run typically lose money on the run? I'm betting you didn't because you clearly don't know anything about how the NFL works.

5. I hate the so called "parody", what the hell is a team doing in the playoffs, with a losing record? The game they are trying to play in, is the Super Bowl? The league is better when there are great teams, honestly, name one great team, we have a league with every team having the same talent, coaching is to much of a factor.

It's parity, first of all. Coaching too much of a factor? What? That's like saying "RB is too much of a factor" or "QB is too much of a factor." Like wtf are you even getting at? That coaches should have no impact on the game? *shakes head sadly* There is a reason the trophy is called the LOMBARDI trophy. Coaches are supposed to have a profound impact in football. The game is built for schematics and personnel use to play a huge factor.

Saying the league is better with great teams is also very debatable. In past years people have complained when teams are so good they bench their starters in the final 2 weeks because they have nothing to play for. You want to see great? Look at the Patriots of a couple years ago that won more games in a row than the undefeated Dolphins from back in the day. And then they gave us an incredibly exciting Super Bowl. Why? Because of parity. Parity allowed the Giants to beat an 18-0 team. Rams vs. Titans was also an incredible Super Bowl and the Rams were a great team. A great Indy team got bounced early in the playoffs one year. Parity is what makes football exciting... no one would watch if the league had two or three teams that couldn't be touched and 30 teams that were there to get beat up. The "any give Sunday" mantra is the NFL. If you can't accept that, go watch the NBA where the regular season doesn't matter and you regularly have sub .500 teams make the playoffs. Or the MLB where you have ~.500 division winners all the time. Acting like any sport does it better than football or that something needs to be fixed in football is beyond asinine.

Alright. That's all. Have a nice day.

PS. The Patriots were darn close to "great" this year. The Patriots were totally dominant winning 13 out of 14 down the stretch and they beat up on some very good teams.

TL;DR. Here's my review of the Super Bowl: Butchered national anthem, good game, terrible halftime show, and probably the worst SB commercial year ever. However the game is the only part that matters, so it was enjoyable.
 

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I watch football to see players make plays, I could care less who is the coach, the talent on the field should decide the outcomes of games.

Lombardi wouldnt like this huge *** league, with average players playing.
 

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The Browns beat the Patriots.

Read that sentence again.

I don't think he has anything to stand on when it comes to arguing about the talent level in the NFL. The league is at its zenith right now in terms of talent, money, popularity, revenue generation, TV deals, etc.

Could we say he really wants to turn this into a playoff discussion? I bet ACamp wanted the season to end back in early December and the Patriots to be crowned champions. I can see how some would think it's stupid that Seattle got into the playoffs, or that a GB team that barely snuck in and had a ton of injuries still won the title...but how do the playoffs not impress you?

How can anyone watch the NFL playoffs and be that upset with the system? We can turn this into an argument about how GB wasn't the "best" team this year, but they fought through adversity and had balls of steel down the stretch. Ya know...the heart of a champion. It was another great playoff and another great Super Bowl.
 

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This thread just gave me a headache



College Football is better anyways...





GO IRISH!!!
 

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LAX, there is alot of talent in the NFL, my point is it is spread too thin, thus we get a league of bad football, topped of by the mockery they called a championship.

Sorry, I dont have spell check.

Did it matter who coached those great players on the Cowboys, during their championship run? Barry Switzer....

I watch profesional football for great play, the NFL right ow is comparable to MLS soccer, I want premier league!

The NFL is in bad shape, I think the players are/have been locked out.

The size of the NFL was increased roughly 14%. So your argument then is that there hasn't been a 14% increase in elite talent to match that? Very debatable and I disagree.. but I'm all ears if you want to give some examples of how today has more dilution of talent versus 1990. Just give me one example illustrating how talent is more diluted today using players or team performances or something.

Let me give you a counter example of how expansion does not necessarily mean a dilution of talent. Circa 1990 lacrosse was basically ruled by Syracuse and Johns Hopkins and the occasional Ivy Leauge team or maybe a Maryland or Virginia. Hopkisn and 'Cuse were just dominant teams. You could call them "great." Fast forward to 2010.

In 2010 an 8-6 Notre Dame team makes a run to the national championship. Does that mean there isn't enough talent in D1 lacrosse now? Or that there aren't any great teams? Heck no. Our 8-6 team would've KILLED the national champions from 1990. It was simply a case of a lot of talent on ALL teams causing parity.
 

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TL;DR. Here's my review of the Super Bowl: Butchered national anthem, good game, terrible halftime show, and probably the worst SB commercial year ever. However the game is the only part that matters, so it was enjoyable.

Then why would you quote it? Man... I am way too angsty today... only 40 more minutes until I can head home and pop open a beer.

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