Only Four QBS?

[FightingIrishLover7]

Kelly said in his conference today that only 4 QBs will be able to get reps this spring.

So...

Who do you guys think the four worthy candidates are?

My prediction of the four QBs

1) Dayne Crist - Too much time put into learning the system to give up on. He still has potential for greatness. (Also my projected starter).

2) Tommy Rees - Winner. Not highly rated, but he is tough, accurate, and calm. Ultimate game manager.

3) Andrew Hendrix - Tough, physical, and mobile. Andrew recieved much praise in the off season. Definitely a potential starter.

4) Everett Golson - Athletic, play maker, touch. He is a youngling, but his style is too dynamic not to get out on the field.


My predictions aren't bold. But this means Massa and Montana drew the short straw.

What will become of them?

This is gonna be a fun spring!

 

[CanadianIrish]

The thing is that we likely don't get the best 4, because it will be clear among them who is going to get playing time and who isn't. Someone who is coming in 6th knows they won't play anywhere, someone who is 3rd or 4th will think that they will.

If Hendrix doesn't beat out Rees in the depth chart we may lose him. If Rees gets beaten out we may lose him. But the odds of it just being the two we wouldn't mind losing are really slim.

 

[jason_h537]

i am pretty sure this is discussed in another thread but, the reason is that having a 6 man competition for a starting spot is unrealistic. Guys need more reps.

Also there is no way a team will keep 6 QB's under scholarship, someone is bound to transfer

 

[johnnykillz]

Massa and Montana are going where? I don't see it. I dunno. This stresses me out, though it's a good problem to have I guess.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I say Massa transfers. Just don't think he has a defined role on the team.

 

[IrishLax]

From all the word on the street, Rees and Massa like Notre Dame a lot and probably wouldn't transfer even if they were #3 or #4 on the depth chart. I also doubt Golson or Hendrix would make any moves this year. And Montana is a no brainer... he's not going anywhere.

The crazy thing is that we are targeting a number of QBs next year.... and might have 7 on scholarship in '12.

 

[IrishInFl]

Kelly said in his conference today that only 4 QBs will be able to get reps this spring.

So...

Who do you guys think the four worthy candidates are?

My prediction of the four QBs

1) Dayne Crist - Too much time put into learning the system to give up on. He still has potential for greatness. (Also my projected starter).

2) Tommy Rees - Winner. Not highly rated, but he is tough, accurate, and calm. Ultimate game manager.

3) Andrew Hendrix - Tough, physical, and mobile. Andrew recieved much praise in the off season. Definitely a potential starter.

4) Everett Golson - Athletic, play maker, touch. He is a youngling, but his style is too dynamic not to get out on the field.


My predictions aren't bold. But this means Massa and Montana drew the short straw.

What will become of them?

This is gonna be a fun spring!

I didn't know Dayne was on schedule to return by spring ball. That's cool.

 

[phork]

Golson might get reps, but a red shirt for sure.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't see how Massa survives. If, as suggested above, he does not transfer and ND keeps form and doesn't renege on his schollie, I don't see how they can bring in a QB next year unless that QB is an 11 on a 10 pt scale. To me, Crist is the guy for now, and Hendrix or Golson are the prime contenders to make a move. Both will be here for the next 4 years, at least, probably. Rees gives you some security if Crist doesn't fully recover or gets hurt again and neither Hendrix or Golson are ready. But I don't see Rees as the long term answer. Love that he was able to win those final 4 games, but I think we have 3 QB's with higher ceilings.

 

[jason_h537]

I didn't know Dayne was on schedule to return by spring ball. That's cool.

He won't be but i believe Kelly said he could workout some. Dayne also said he would rather sit on the bench than ever leave Notre Dame

 

[BGIF]

From all the word on the street, Rees and Massa like Notre Dame a lot and probably wouldn't transfer even if they were #3 or #4 on the depth chart. I also doubt Golson or Hendrix would make any moves this year. And Montana is a no brainer... he's not going anywhere.

The crazy thing is that we are targeting a number of QBs next year.... and might have 7 on scholarship in '12.

Some kids will transfer even to Div II or III school to play the game. Others recognize if I can't get to #4 here I better get a good degree. The Dorsey Levens are the exception. The Barry Gallups are more the rule, at least at ND.

David Wolke transferred to Western KY had a good Jr season there but I think was a backup as a Sr. Didn't Darrin Bragg stick it out at ND and get a degree?

Injuries gave Matt Lovecchio (from my HS) a chance to start as a freshman and he did well for a freshman. He got passed over as a soph and his dad yanked him. Ended up with a 2 yr career at Indiana hit about 55% of his passes for about 3500 yds and 15 or so TDs in 2 yrs there. Was not drafted by the NFL.

Godsey, Clark, Palmer?, and Battle all changed positions and I believe graduated from ND. There were 4 QBs in Godsey's recruiting class.

Demetrius Jones QB moves didn't pay off. He ended up a LB at Cincy. Frazer did OK at CT. Kent Graham, won his first start at ND then Holtz put in some kid named Rice. Graham went to OSU whre he became a starter. Had a long NFL career mostly as a journeyman if I recall correctly. Olsen didn't move up the deep chart fast enough to suit daddy and he got yanked just as classe begun. Went to UVA?? or Duke, ACC and became a backup.

Possibliy the best move aside from Graham was Zak Kustok. He was #2 QB going into the '97 Blue & Gold game. I was there. He was bad. Fell to #4 behind Arnaz Battle and Eric Chappell. Next season Jarious gets hurt. Chappell and Battle stumble. Kustok transferred to a small college then went to Northwestern. He sued the NCAA over the year sitout and won. He was able to play in NW's 5th game. Went to set a buinch of QB records at NW. Kustok wasn't drafted, signed with a couple of teams but I think dropped each time. At least he got an NW degree.


Aside from Kent Graham, I can't think of an ND QB who transferred and had an NFL career.

 

[GreatGolson]

guys its ok we just have to deal with the fact that BK cant coach 6 qbs at the same time. i mean he's no Bob Diaco

 

[CanadianIrish]

This is essentially what a bunch of us have been saying about QB recruiting. We have six, all of whom have remaining eligibility after this year. We're actively recruiting more - are we turning into Alabama and taking away kids' scholarships or what's going to happen?

 

[Veer option]

guys its ok we just have to deal with the fact that BK cant coach 6 qbs at the same time. i mean he's no Bob Diaco

Nice!

Massa, Hendricks, Reese and Golson competing for the starting job come spring. That is a pretty good selection of different qbs.

 

[jakerbluegold]

Diaco is already a deity, soon he will be a demigod.

I could see him as a minotaur, using his hooves to intimidate high-ranking recruits from de-commiting with fire shooting out of his nostrils.

 

[IrishLax]

This is essentially what a bunch of us have been saying about QB recruiting. We have six, all of whom have remaining eligibility after this year. We're actively recruiting more - are we turning into Alabama and taking away kids' scholarships or what's going to happen?

The bottom line is Montana needs to not have a scholarship. The problem is I don't see how it can get taken away. We just don't do that kind of thing. But wouldn't it be awesome if he somehow gave it back?

And Massa was a 2* or 3* player depending on the service you follow... 6'4" but runs a slow 40 and is a lean 205. Don't know what position he would play besides WR and he would never crack the depth chart there... unless he has a 40" vertical and great hands and then we could use him in the redzone.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The bottom line is Montana needs to not have a scholarship. The problem is I don't see how it can get taken away. We just don't do that kind of thing. But wouldn't it be awesome if he somehow gave it back?

And Massa was a 2* or 3* player depending on the service you follow... 6'4" but runs a slow 40 and is a lean 205. Don't know what position he would play besides WR and he would never crack the depth chart there... unless he has a 40" vertical and great hands and then we could use him in the redzone.

I thought i saw somewhere that bk said he was for sure keeping his scholly

 

[Ironman8]

I thought i saw somewhere that bk said he was for sure keeping his scholly

Think his exact words were something like taking Nate off scholarship "is not something that his on his radar". A couple guys on ISD confirmed their belief that Nate won't be losing his scholarship. It basically boils down to what makes Kelly great, and why players love him. He will be loyal to a player and not pull his scholarship if he is in good standing academically and is doing what he is asked on the field. If that means Montana will be a "red hat" and nothing else in 2011, so be it.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Personally, I think Montana just enjoys being along for the ride.

Massa is a similar type to Rees, a guy that can just manage the game, but you can't rely on him to win it for ya.

Be careful not to think if things don't go Golson's way early that he would leave. I know it's very early to think that way, but ya never know.

Prediction come fall:
1. Crist
2. Hendrix
3. Rees

Massa and Montana scout team, Golson Redshirt

 

[crzychris]

I could see Montana not being on scholarship, he's financially set to stay at ND as it is. Although I would not like to see scholarships taken away, their financial aid system will keep anyone in school regardless of their ability to pay. Crist will probably start with Hendrix in the wings.

 

[ThePiombino]

I definitely think that Crist will be the man come September, assuming all goes according to plan regarding his recovery. After that, I believe Rees's play last year has earned his a spot on the 4-deep here. Nothing Kelly has said has ever suggested othewise. That leaves 2 spots for the remaining 4 guys.

In a perfect world, Montana surrenders his scholarship realizing A) the oodles of money dad has and B) it would greatly benefit the team, and finishes out his career as a walk-on red hat who contributed more by giving up his schollie than he ever could on the field. Not trying to be mean, just the facts.

Hendrix probably shows the most potential AT THIS POINT and I believe he not only earns the 3rd spot, but WILL see playing time this year as I don't see Crist staying healthy all year, not do I see Rees being able to continue to ride the wave of luck and good fortune that he ended 2010 on.

This leaves Golson and Massa. I never really understood Massa. I think he was more of a mercy schollie by Kelly. At the time there was a good chance that he would have been this year's #2, but with Hendrix's development and Rees's surprise season, Crist's experience and now Golson being the only TRUE dual-threat QB on the team, I believe Massa becomes the odd man out here. I hope that they find some hidden talent in him being a read zone receiver or something like that, but in all honesty I see Massa transferring out.

This would leave the final spot for Golson. As the #4 he would be able to maintain his red-shirt and still be involved enough to learn the playbook, get reps and hopefully be ready to compete for the job next spring.

Predictions for depth chart:
SEPTEMBER:
Crist
Rees
Hendrix
Golson

DECEMBER:
Crist
Hendrix
Rees
Golson

Just my uneducated $.02

 

[Sweetness34]

I think the odd men out are Montana and Massa. Crist, Rees, Hendrix and Golson are the mainstays for the future. I think Hendrix will pass Rees at some point and if he can't pass him then he will transfer. The only reason why Rees was ahead of Hendrix was because he was an EE player. Golson fits BK's offense perfectly. If he doesn't play at all as a freshman that's not a bad thing.

 

[RyCo1983]

I wouldn't be surpirsed if Hendrix has already passed Rees on system knowledge.
I see it
1. Crist
2. Hendrix
3. Rees
4. Golson

Golson won't see a minute of PT this year
I see Hendrix getting a shot if Crist falters.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It would be very interesting (and it's really too bad) that we can't get Dayne in there at 100% for spring ball. I think he would really put a lil distant between himself and the rest of the bunch if he was healthy. Eitherway, you have to love the competition at the QB position for the spring and summer, a complete 360 from last year at this point.

 

[JadeBrecks]

1 Reese, Hendrix
3 Crist
I dont see Crist making back in to starting esspecially if his injury is still bothering him. Overall I think Reese has more to offer than Crist did. The only thing he lacked was experience and he now has a decent bit under his belt. Hendrix also has a lot to offer and I think he will be our quarter back very soon. He is lacking experience but he will have to gain it sometime. So unless Crist makes some serious leaps and bounds I dont see a reason to use him. He has underclassmen that I believe are better and one of them is now got experience.

 

[Irish Canuck]

Seriously guys,
Some of you are just wacky with the senarios you've conjured up.
The four qb's will be Crist, Rees, Hendrix, Massa. They will all get reps in the spring.
Montana got a year to year schollie.. he won't be offered it again this year. He'll stay and be a part of the program... get his degree and be done.
Golston will redshirt... way too much experience ahead of him as well as system knowledge for him to be considered this year.

I don't see any position changes. I don't see any transfers.

 

[irishandy]

1) Dayne Crist- he will have to prove himself on the field and although he is injury prone he still has something left in the gas tank to show ND nation why he came here.

2) Tommy Rees (who could also be 3)- he went 4-0 as a starter, beat USC for the first time in 8 years, and won our 2nd straight bowl game. If he is not performing to what the staff wants to see, he could fall lower in the depth chart.

3) Andrew Hendrix (could be my #2)- I am going off by what the staff has said about him. Can't wait to see him and he could push Dayne for the starting position. If our #1 goes down, Hendrix could be our next option.

4) Everett Golson- I am glad we got him, he fits our offense, but I want to see what he can on the field. I would like to see a redshirt.

Unfortunately for Nate Montana he will get mop up duty in the last 20 sec. of our last home game next year. Luke Massa could transfer or switch positions.

 

[kmoose]

Kelly said in his conference today that only 4 QBs will be able to get reps this spring.

So...

Who do you guys think the four worthy candidates are?

My prediction of the four QBs

1) Dayne Crist - Too much time put into learning the system to give up on. He still has potential for greatness. (Also my projected starter).

2) Tommy Rees - Winner. Not highly rated, but he is tough, accurate, and calm. Ultimate game manager.

3) Andrew Hendrix - Tough, physical, and mobile. Andrew recieved much praise in the off season. Definitely a potential starter.

4) Everett Golson - Athletic, play maker, touch. He is a youngling, but his style is too dynamic not to get out on the field.


My predictions aren't bold. But this means Massa and Montana drew the short straw.

What will become of them?

This is gonna be a fun spring!

Rees has been in the Kelly system just as long as Crist. I'm not sure why the coaches' "investment" in Crist would be any higher than their "investment" in Rees?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Seriously guys,
Some of you are just wacky with the senarios you've conjured up.
The four qb's will be Crist, Rees, Hendrix, Massa. They will all get reps in the spring.
Montana got a year to year schollie.. he won't be offered it again this year. He'll stay and be a part of the program... get his degree and be done.
Golston will redshirt... way too much experience ahead of him as well as system knowledge for him to be considered this year.

I don't see any position changes. I don't see any transfers.

I mostly agree, except with regard to Massa. Nothing against him, but Golson will be in the same position as Hendrix last season. Since BK said only 4 will get reps, I think Golson will be the 4th QB, get spring and practice reps but just hold a clipboard on Saturdays. If he's going to redshirt, why waste the year and not get him into the system? Reps will be wasted on Massa. I don't see how he ever gets on the field. He's got 3 guys ahead of him this year and Golson will be ahead of him starting next year and have a year more of eligibility.

And I'm not as convinced as you are that Montana will not receive a scholarship going forward. If this were Arkansas I would agree with you. But we aren't Arkansas, or any other SEC team. I think they will renew him at the expense of bringing back a 5th year.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Rees has been in the Kelly system just as long as Crist. I'm not sure why the coaches' "investment" in Crist would be any higher than their "investment" in Rees?

Because Dayne is better than Rees from a talent stand point. I've said before if Coach Kelly had simplified the system for Dayne as much as he did for Rees things may have been different early on...easy to say now.

Also, to think Massa will be ahead of Golson based off experience is a little off base. Massa came in last fall and spent the year on the scout team. At the most he will have a slight advantage over Golson in regards to terminology, but that may be it. Massa's and Golson's experience in the system is very close.