Ohio State looks into possible football violations

[Irish Insanity]

I was actually thinking the exact opposite. Other than getting tatoos for autographs these kids have every right to sell their rings, clothes or what ever they else they own. I also would like to see how this would play out in a federal court(which it would never get to). Also, you say if they get drafted they will go without penalty. You're wrong! This will cost they kids money far exceeding the money they received for rightfully selling their things. It will be the first question these kids hve to answer when meeting with NFL teams. By the way I love your "Holier than Thou" attitude, pure class...

I didn't mean from the legal perspective. I meant from the moral perspective. If you are willing to sell your ring from something that should very important to you then you don't deserve the right to play on a NCAA team. And I never said they would go without penalty. I actually illuded to the fact that if they entered early they would most likely lose money due to the fact they would be drafted lower.

And hell I found one for cheaper
1974 OHIO BIG TEN ROSE BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP RING - eBay (item 280605723152 end time Jan-17-11 06:43:06 PST)

 

[Ben E.]

some of these guys sold their big 10 championsihp rings for cash...wowwwww

he also sold his "gold pants" pendent given for beating michigan for cash...which as an ohioan is the only Posu tradition that i respect. unreal!

 

[eNDzone]

Lay off these poor students. They were just a few guys down on there financial luck in need of the essentials - like tattoos. BS

Tressel says they need to make things crystal clear for the students and that the buck stops with him. Then why doesn't the NCAA kick him out of spring and fall practice and the first 5 games.

 

[GreatGolson]

Are we clean? If Notre Dame is clean then we know what we are up against. This rule bending and cheating is bull$%#@. If Notre Dame is as clean as we think it is then I am more of a supporter today than at any other time in my 40 years of following the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame. In the past Notre Dame had its issues (Leahey years) but since the time of the modern game Notre Dame has played it clean to my knowledge. What are you to do- and now we know that academic responsibility is not the only reason young men choose not to play football at Notre Dame. If there is a thread of decency in the NCAA they should bury these hypocritical schools. Are we clean-again I ask this and if we are to %$#@ with these blackeye unethical other schools. Clean it up NCAA or you have no b@##$.

In my completely honest opinion, no program is 100% absolutely "clean" I know all (or most) coaches strive for compliance but its hard to control the actions of 80+ KIDS, many from poor backgrounds who have been put in a position where they can get money for themselves and their families. If you had a mother and younger siblings to provide for, with no father to provide income, wouldnt you take money to keep a roof over your families' head? I sure as hell would. Now i know this isnt always the case (as seen in the OSU scandal) and that kids use their fame improperly, but in every major program in the country (YES THAT MEANS US TOO) there will be some kids who want to send money to their lower class family. Bottom line, ND and every program not under sanctions is clean until proven dirty

 

[IrishLax]

In my completely honest opinion, no program is 100% absolutely "clean" I know all (or most) coaches strive for compliance but its hard to control the actions of 80+ KIDS, many from poor backgrounds who have been put in a position where they can get money for themselves and their families. If you had a mother and younger siblings to provide for, with no father to provide income, wouldnt you take money to keep a roof over your families' head? I sure as hell would. Now i know this isnt always the case (as seen in the OSU scandal) and that kids use their fame improperly, but in every major program in the country (YES THAT MEANS US TOO) there will be some kids who want to send money to their lower class family. Bottom line, ND and every program not under sanctions is clean until proven dirty

So true. Did anyone see the 30 in 30 on Miami? Where they talked about how all of the criminals and thieves they had on their team and rule breaking was basically to provide for players' families? Sometimes it was a mom, sometimes it was their child, but yeah it was a big "what would you do in my shoes" excuse.

However... my Dad brought up a good point. Not everyone has to go to college. Not everyone has to play football on a scholarship and follow the rules. If you can't follow the rules, go get a job at the super market to support your family. If there were valid excuses for breaking the rules or breaking the law... well, it stands to reason that those excuses would be put into the law. E.g. you can shoot someone in self defense, but you can't shoot someone because someone will pay you $1 million to do it and your family is in debt.

Regardless of the reasoning or rationale... rules are rules and as long as the NCAA governs collegiate athletics if you choose to participate you have to abide by them or face the consequences.

 

[GreatGolson]

^ great points raised, but as in 30 for 30, the kids were told in HS, "if you have talent, go get the money to help your family" In many places it is the same today, ill go with the "your shoes" again but only because its the best way to get the point across, if you have the talent to play and YOU KNOW the only way your family will survive is by breaking a rule that others around you are breaking, most would break it every time.

 

[phgreek]

So true. Did anyone see the 30 in 30 on Miami? Where they talked about how all of the criminals and thieves they had on their team and rule breaking was basically to provide for players' families? Sometimes it was a mom, sometimes it was their child, but yeah it was a big "what would you do in my shoes" excuse.

However... my Dad brought up a good point. Not everyone has to go to college. Not everyone has to play football on a scholarship and follow the rules. If you can't follow the rules, go get a job at the super market to support your family. If there were valid excuses for breaking the rules or breaking the law... well, it stands to reason that those excuses would be put into the law. E.g. you can shoot someone in self defense, but you can't shoot someone because someone will pay you $1 million to do it and your family is in debt.

Regardless of the reasoning or rationale... rules are rules and as long as the NCAA governs collegiate athletics if you choose to participate you have to abide by them or face the consequences.

...your dad is pretty wise...good point.

 

[kmoose]

Are you crazy OSU would never suspend them for a marque BCS bowl game, on national TV, against the SEC and in a hot bed recruiting area.

The suspensions were handed down by the NCAA, not by the University. While the hard core honorable thing to do might be for the school to expand those suspensions to include the bowl game, can you really blame them for not doing so?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHa. This is wonderful news!

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I was actually thinking the exact opposite. Other than getting tatoos for autographs these kids have every right to sell their rings, clothes or what ever they else they own. I also would like to see how this would play out in a federal court(which it would never get to)

If you're referring to the law's favortism toward the free alienability of property, I would agree. But the NCAA here is is just sanctioning them if they want to play for member schools. They can keep them money if they leave school or go pro.

 

[DomerBoy]

NCAA is full of crap not suspending them from the bowl game. Money hungry f*cks.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

No excuses. The ban shouldn't be 5 games. It should be life time ban. With all the incidents lately surrounding student athletes there are absolutely no excuses. Selling conference championship rings is a disrespect to your school, the NCAA, and the team you won it with. If they want to make money, ban them from college football for life which would force them to enter the draft. If you get drafted low or not at all then you should have thought about that before doing something this stupid. That's why I am happy it takes more than just athletic skills to attend ND and be a student athlete.

ummmm...... life time ??? A bit much.

 

[devolg]

Posey's mom blames NCAA for players' money plight | BuckeyeXtra

Classy. Complain about a free ride at one of the country's top public universities.

Best advice I've heard so far.......

However... my Dad brought up a good point. Not everyone has to go to college. Not everyone has to play football on a scholarship and follow the rules. If you can't follow the rules, go get a job at the super market to support your family.

 

[TerryTate]

How the **** are they playing in the bowl game?

 

[DomerBoy]

Because the NCAA does not want to screw their bowl sponsors and lose revenue. Everyone knows its all about money with them and yet they are the ones telling these kids not to take any. They are the ones setting the example.

Hypocrisy at its finest!

 

[eNDzone]

Posey's mom blames NCAA for players' money plight | BuckeyeXtra

Classy. Complain about a free ride at one of the country's top public universities.

Best advice I've heard so far.......

This crying by Posey's mom is crap . If getting a ride to OU wasn't enough , maybe he should have looked around. Don't ask the NCAA to pay for everything your kid wants. It's the university's responsabilty to take care of the essentials.

What if some wealthy allumni decided to offer your child 100,000 dollars for his conference championship ring ? Would that be alright ?

You knew the rules before you signed on the dotted line,so don't blame it on the NCAA . Blame it on your university selection . They are the ones that obviously did not make it so you could understand the rules. It's worked out pretty well for OU doing it that way for years.

 

[DomerBoy]

This crying by Posey's mom is crap . If getting a ride to OU wasn't enough , maybe he should have looked around. Don't ask the NCAA to pay for everything your kid wants. It's the university's responsabilty to take care of the essentials.

What if some wealthy allumni decided to offer your child 100,000 dollars for his conference championship ring ? Would that be alright ?

You knew the rules before you signed on the dotted line,so don't blame it on the NCAA . Blame it on your university selection . They are the ones that obviously did not make it so you could understand the rules. It's worked out pretty well for OU doing it that way for years.

So it is okay for the NCAA to bend their own rules? It makes no sense to enforce rules that you yourself (NCAA) does not even follow.

 

[irishtrain]

Thoughts-how about a tv/radio talk show directed at college football with a Notre Dame team. Not just regional but national like these other shows. Let them make sport of Notre Dame on other sites but Notre Dame needs to bring out its influence and put a national show out there. Promoting the basic essence of what college really is. Also fighting the notion that Notre Dame's time has past because of the perception that football is now running the show. The university runs the show. I am on record as saying Notre Dame should allow more football first players in but they must abide to university standards. Discuss these thoughts, dissect them, fight the junk out there that is the other peoples perception. It could make $$$ and bring Notre Dame into the living room of everyone. Not a coaches show but someone like Tony Roberts or Hornung or Criqui or one of the alums who can talk about just what is Notre Dame. Report and discuss the national sports scene with a Notre Dame slant. The SEC and Tony Barnhardt and of course espn (small caps) does this. Fight the propaganda take calls, to me its the next step for the university. NBC does not allow this-buy your own because these other entities are doing this to promote their shams. This is where Notre Dame is losing-make it cool to do it right, make it cool to take a position of the higher ground, make it cool to adhere to the correct way of doing things. The nation wants Notre Dame to succeed because they know its done right in South Bend. GO NATIONAL. Buckle up your chin straps and take the other guys calls, call him out, remind him on his semi pro program that disposes of these young men like empty beer cans. Notre Dame's pockets are deep enough to take this on and it will make $$$ from sponsors. Instead of heavy equipment and potato chip companies this shows program sponors would be investment services/addidas/high profile national companies where Notre Dame carries clout. Do this get it done. Dont just sit there and let the Paul Finebaum/Tony Barnhardt/Cowherd/Pollack's of the world fire away with no response. When you're a little kid your Dad tells you to turn away from conflict until it gives you no other choice but to smack the conflict in the mouth. I think that time is here.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

This is the only thing I'm not looking forward to today on Christmas. I'm going to have to listen to all my uncles and cousins complain about how unfair this is for pOSU, but I'm sure it will be a good laugh.