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It's just stupid to say Hendrix lost the qb competition...we all know he was never in it. Never had a chance to catch up.

Crist was the dude from day 1 no questions asked...Rees only got the nod because he was there months in advance of Hendrix to learn the offense.I hope crist gets healthy or spring camp..because if he doesnt there is nobody to push Hendrix at all.

Do you know more about the quarterback situation than BK? I only ask this question because it was BK himself that said it had nothing to do with the fact that Rees was on campus for the spring and Hendrix wasn't. Rees flat beat him out mentally. He played in a spread in highschool and had the upper hand in that aspect. Judging by what the coaches have said, Hendrix seems to be superior as far as physical talent but thats it at this point. Rees had the upper mentally and that is more important in BK's complicated system. It's far easier to dumb down the offense for a player who doesnt have as strong an arm or a running ability then it is for someone who doesnt understand the spread.

And please explain to me how you know Hendrix is the guy next year if Crist is not healthy? I'm not saying it wont be Hendrix but can you talk like you are so sure? Have you seen Hendrix play in a game on the collegiate level that I haven't.

How do you compare Hendrix and Golson? You have seen neither of them play in college. You act like Hendrix is head and shoulders above everyone else and my question to you is how do you know? Your going off coaches raving about his physical ability? They have done the same thing about Golson along with every ESPN reporter that saw him at the Shrine Bowl. So please explain....
 

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Hendrix had an uphill battle to climb from ths start, coming in during the fall and transitioning to a new offense. History shows us that he had a tiny chance to climb the depth chart in that situation. Kelly made some comments that there would be an open competition but very quickly in fall camp he said Hendrix would be placed on scout team.

Hendrix wasn't ready to play not because he's not skilled or talented, but because he wasn't given enough time. I think it's pretty absurd myself to think that Hendrix "lost" the competition to Rees, implying that Rees was the superior quarterback. Rees was just more familiar with the system and more ready.

I can't speak for you, but I'm getting the sense that because Hendrix went to scout team initially and then didn't somehow unseat Rees after the Tulsa game that you're not impressed with Hendrix. I'm not sure but you seem hung up on the fact that Hendrix LOST and that it somehow reflects upon his talent.

You're wrong in getting that sense from me. I'm not that high on Rees. Great kid, won games for us, great poise, but not nearly as talented as Crist nor Hendrix. Once teams got film on him he struggled mightily. But he's a helluva a back-up and might just be a starter for us...he's got the mental make-up of a great QB.

But Hendrix is much more talented from a God-given skills standpoint. But that's not what being a QB is solely about. Does he have the mental make-up??? That remains to be seen. And that's my whole point - why are people assuming he'll be the starter next year when he's proven exactly ZERO. You obviously didn't pay close attention to my reponse b/c I specifically said that if he should be given every opportunity to start and if he wins the job then I'll be his #1 fan. But a couple of posters saying he should start or that he will start (as if it's fact) is absurd. That's it.

You're backpedaling on your other point about him not being given a chance. Excuses are like you-know-whats...and it means nothing. He was given a chance to compete with Rees and Montana for the #2 spot, and he simply wasn't ready. Period. Rees beat him out, weak arm and all. I don't know what else you want me to say...that's the bottom line. I think Hendrix will eventually pass Rees, but this year he wasn't better...for whatever reason you want to throw out there. And so yes, this fall, Rees was the superior QB, and it's absurd for you to think that Hendrix was better.

Newsflash: Having more talent doesn't make you a better QB. It takes a helluva more than that. See: Jeff George. See: JaMarcus Russell. If you want to take Todd McShay's stance on QBs, be my guest.

And I reiterate - I think Hendrix can be a special QB for us, but we should wait to see how he does this spring before annointing him the starter. And if he does start, there will be some major growing pains - much less than Crist and Rees, who have both played in front of some hostile crowds in pressure filled environments. Any QB will struggle, just saying that history shows us that inexperienced QBs struggle far more mightily than QBs with experience. That is all I was saying. And while you bring up some good points aside from what I wrote, nothing you have written has really changed my mind on that subject.
 

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My dog isn't in this fight but for clarity, Rees went thru spring ball, Hendrix enrolled in the fall and had no shot at starting, almost no shot at even making it into a game.

That said, best man wins.
 

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that was because hendrix did not know the offense and was behind REes HEndrix has more natural talent than Rees and the staff is high on Hendrix
 

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You're wrong in getting that sense from me. I'm not that high on Rees. Great kid, won games for us, great poise, but not nearly as talented as Crist nor Hendrix. Once teams got film on him he struggled mightily. But he's a helluva a back-up and might just be a starter for us...he's got the mental make-up of a great QB.

But Hendrix is much more talented from a God-given skills standpoint. But that's not what being a QB is solely about. Does he have the mental make-up??? That remains to be seen. And that's my whole point - why are people assuming he'll be the starter next year when he's proven exactly ZERO. You obviously didn't pay close attention to my reponse b/c I specifically said that if he should be given every opportunity to start and if he wins the job then I'll be his #1 fan. But a couple of posters saying he should start or that he will start (as if it's fact) is absurd. That's it.

You're backpedaling on your other point about him not being given a chance. Excuses are like you-know-whats...and it means nothing. He was given a chance to compete with Rees and Montana for the #2 spot, and he simply wasn't ready. Period. Rees beat him out, weak arm and all. I don't know what else you want me to say...that's the bottom line. I think Hendrix will eventually pass Rees, but this year he wasn't better...for whatever reason you want to throw out there. And so yes, this fall, Rees was the superior QB, and it's absurd for you to think that Hendrix was better.

Newsflash: Having more talent doesn't make you a better QB. It takes a helluva more than that. See: Jeff George. See: JaMarcus Russell. If you want to take Todd McShay's stance on QBs, be my guest.

And I reiterate - I think Hendrix can be a special QB for us, but we should wait to see how he does this spring before annointing him the starter. And if he does start, there will be some major growing pains - much less than Crist and Rees, who have both played in front of some hostile crowds in pressure filled environments. Any QB will struggle, just saying that history shows us that inexperienced QBs struggle far more mightily than QBs with experience. That is all I was saying. And while you bring up some good points aside from what I wrote, nothing you have written has really changed my mind on that subject.

I think we agree more than we're letting on.

I'm not annoiting Hendrix the starter, although I'd be mildly surprised if he wasn't at least the backup next year.

Like I said, I don't think it's any sweat off Hendrix' back that he got "beat out" this fall in camp. So did Louis Nix, Christian Lombard, and Alex Welch and all of those players could be very good next season.

I'd be a little worried if Hendrix was starting next year because he's inexperienced, but I was pretty worried with Crist's lack of progress and Rees' limitations this year too. I know the QB position is important with experience and there could be growing pains (your main point), I think that could be balanced out by Hendrix's skill set and the fact that he's being coached by Kelly and is surrounded by a lot of talent (my point I guess).

I'd also argue that Hendrix doesn't have a whole lot to live up to in regards to how the QB play went this year. Maybe Crist takes a big leap forward after rehab and Rees with more experience, but at this point I think that's just as likely as Hendrix stepping forward too.

Maybe Hendrix doesn't grasp the offense and struggles from a mental standpoint, but I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt given his skill set and rave reviews from Kelly & Company. Now, if those praises weren't there from the coaches, I'd be more apt to say that he's probably not going to be a factor next year and definitely not starting. But it's not like that...those praises are too difficult to ignore in my opinion.

Sure Hendrix hasn't proven anything but, so what? Why keep harping on that when you can say that about half the players on the roster? Take a player like Cierre Wood, I was going through the same types of thoughts with him last year and I kept hearing, "what has he proven, he hasn't even played in college yet, he couldn't beat out so and so as a freshman, etc."

One year later he's a redshirt freshman and the starting running back, and showing he's pretty special. Sometimes these young players are ballers!!
 

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You're wrong in getting that sense from me. I'm not that high on Rees. Great kid, won games for us, great poise, but not nearly as talented as Crist nor Hendrix. Once teams got film on him he struggled mightily.

He did? His worst game, by far, was obviously the Michigan game (his first). Now, he only had 2 attempts in that game, so that could be construed as an anamoly. But from then on, his QB rating for Navy was 180.52 (on only 7 attempts, so again, not a great comparison). The games he actually started were:

Tulsa: QB rating of 126.4
Utah: QB rating of 168.68
Army: QB rating of 161.32
USC: QB rating of 103.49

It could be argued that the USC game was more a result of being the best defense that he played against, as opposed to teams figuring him out from film study. And you could even make a case that he didn't "struggle mightily" against USC. He did complete 62.5% of his passes, with 2 TDs. But the 3 INTs killed his rating. None of this says that Rees is "the guy", going into next year. But I don't think it's an indictment of his play, either.
 

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What I know from watching both Rees and Crist is that Rees' release seems to be a lot quicker than Crist's. To me, he makes the reads and get's the ball out of his hand with good zip, and the accuracy will come. The kid did a damn good job for just coming out of high school.

I love Crist, and think he truly epitomizes what a Notre Dame football player is, a team first, tough, bright young man. It just seems as if he holds on to the ball too long.

Kelly is a fantastic evaluator of talent, and I'm sure he'll not only pick the best player, but put this team in the best position to win next year.

All these guys will surely work there backsides off, and we'll see it on the field next year.

Definitely exciting to see a reall QB controversy! And this team is finally going in the right direction.
 

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He did? His worst game, by far, was obviously the Michigan game (his first). Now, he only had 2 attempts in that game, so that could be construed as an anamoly. But from then on, his QB rating for Navy was 180.52 (on only 7 attempts, so again, not a great comparison). The games he actually started were:

Tulsa: QB rating of 126.4
Utah: QB rating of 168.68
Army: QB rating of 161.32
USC: QB rating of 103.49

It could be argued that the USC game was more a result of being the best defense that he played against, as opposed to teams figuring him out from film study. And you could even make a case that he didn't "struggle mightily" against USC. He did complete 62.5% of his passes, with 2 TDs. But the 3 INTs killed his rating. None of this says that Rees is "the guy", going into next year. But I don't think it's an indictment of his play, either.

I watched the USC game 3 times so far, and yes, he struggled MIGHTILY. His 3 picks were simply awful, in which he stared stared stared his primary down and basically handed the ball to SC. The fumble was on him as well. And if you think SC's defense was good, you didn't watch them play this year. They were AWFUL, especially against the pass. Just ask their fan base (I can link you to about 200 threads begging for the firing of Monte Kiffin)...or look at their pass defense rankings going into the SC game.

What happened in the SC game was that they saw where he was vulnerable in film and changed things in their defense to confuse him, which Tommy Rees himself admitted afterward. He said they threw some zone coverage looks that confused him (thus 2 picks to middle LBs) and forced him into some bad throws. They also crowded our receivers b/c they saw he couldn't/wouldn't throw the ball down the field with any consistency or velocity, and even then it was only to the TE.

As for the Army, I'll have to watch it again, but I remember him not being asked to do much and ND stalling on a few drives against a bad (IMO) defense, and him missing a lot of reads/throws. But he did put 2 throws on the money for scores and that helped his rating. I just remember thinking after the game how SC was going to have a field day crowding the LOS against us b/c of Rees' apparent lack of arm strength. But again, I only have seen that game once (too busy rewatching the SC game!).

And I agree with you...I'm not saying that Rees can't be the man, nor am I diminishing what a complete ballsy stud he is for stepping in at age 18 and winning in SB, Yankee Stadium and the Coliseum in consecutive weeks. But IMHO, he is the least talented QB of the 4 being mentioned (but his poise and knowledge of the offense make up for some of his deficiencies).
 

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Didn't read all the comments (kinda swamped at work) so I hope I am not saying the same thing as anyone else. I heard a BK interview and he said he has players that NO MATTER what happens they will not see the field. He is not going to lose a redshirt on someone especially after a 1-3 start. I think he was talking about Hendrix and I could only assume Louis Nix as well. Just my 2 cents. Wish I had the link.
 

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If you are insinuating a possible transfer, I don't think he is marketable. Really nice guy and wish him the best, but he has 2 bad wheels and only a year or two left. He should get a degree from ND and go about his biz. He would probably get killed in the NFL. I do think most of it has been horrible luck, but it is what it is.

crist already said (sorry too lazy to find the link) that he's staying regardless of football (if he's playing or not).
 

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It was boneheaded

It was boneheaded

even a true frosh has to know he cannot underthrow that pass. Overthrow? That would have been an incompletion at worst. He did the one thing he absolutely could not do. If he had any doubts, throw it away and go for the FG.
are you serious? a boneheaded throw? he underthrew the ball...yes, but it was far from boneheaded. if he put more air under it, floyd beats out the db for sure.

it's a mistake, i'll agree with, but to say boneheaded....that's a bit over the top, imo.
 

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It was a much more conservative offense with Rees

It was a much more conservative offense with Rees

and understandably so. Rees could not handle the same play package Crist was being asked to handle.
rees still threw for quite a few yards, not a lot but at a 206.5 per game clip. i wouldn't say bk dumbed it down too much where he strictly ran the ball. rees still had to make good throws to accumulate that yardage.

and again, i'm not saying he's our guy of the future.
 

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Stupid??? Actually it describes the situation perfectly.

Stupid??? Actually it describes the situation perfectly.

Rees beat Hendrix and Montana out for the backup spot. No other way to explain it. You can make lots of excuses for why it turned out that way, but the bottom line is Rees is/was the better QB. If Hendrix was clearly better, he would have taken over when Crist went down.

Now does that mean Hendrix cannot surpass Rees in the future? Of course he can. In fact, I hope he does as I don't think Rees is anything special. I believe BK can make a QB like Rees effective, but I would rather have an elite talent at the QB spot, something I don't believe Rees is capable of being. Is Hendrix an elite talent? Too soon to tell but he seems to be more physically gifted than Rees, so the potential upside is greater.
It's just stupid to say Hendrix lost the qb competition...we all know he was never in it. Never had a chance to catch up.

Crist was the dude from day 1 no questions asked...Rees only got the nod because he was there months in advance of Hendrix to learn the offense.

I hope crist gets healthy or spring camp..because if he doesnt there is nobody to push Hendrix at all.
 

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even a true frosh has to know he cannot underthrow that pass. Overthrow? That would have been an incompletion at worst. He did the one thing he absolutely could not do. If he had any doubts, throw it away and go for the FG.

really? if he had doubts? obviously he didn't or else he wouldn't have thrown it. at least we can agree, he underthrew it. but still, calling it a boneheaded play? c'mon man.....that's not needed.
 

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and understandably so. Rees could not handle the same play package Crist was being asked to handle.

a package a junior should be expected to handle better over a true frosh, so......your point is? just becuz of that, he's not our future?
 

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We see the play very differently

We see the play very differently

I thought taking the shot at the end zone was reasonable. However the attempt assumes that your QB makes a smart play.

You see the pick as a physical mistake, a throw Rees was unable to pull off physically. I see it as a case of a QB's decision-making ability, you throw it where only your guy can make the play otherwise you throw it away. He failed to do either, mental mistake, and a very basic one at that. He tried to make a play that was not there to be made, that was what was boneheaded.
really? if he had doubts? obviously he didn't or else he wouldn't have thrown it. at least we can agree, he underthrew it. but still, calling it a boneheaded play? c'mon man.....that's not needed.
 

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Apples and oranges

Apples and oranges

Crist may have had a couple of years of college ball already, but he had limited playing time in a very different offense. Rees had almost as much time to learn BK's offense as Crist did. In fact Rees played in a similar offense in high school so an argument can be made that Rees had an advantage over Crist.

As for my take on Rees's future, it will depend on physical ability as much as command of the offense. I suspect Rees will know the offense as well if not better than anyone else, but I am not overly impressed with his physical skills. That is why I am skeptical of his future.
a package a junior should be expected to handle better over a true frosh, so......your point is? just becuz of that, he's not our future?
 

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Relax, Crist is the starter!

Relax, Crist is the starter!

Very happy to hear that Crist is recovering nicely. Just hope he makes a full recovery and is able to come back strong next season. I think he will be much improved after learning the system for a year and his desire to compete should fare well for him.

Completely agee. Crist is the starter, period end of discussion. He will be the starter opening up the '11 season. Glad we will have an experienced backup now in Rees, RS talent from this year and a Rice-esque frosh now in the fold... The last thing we need is a QB controversy ala '07 that takes front & center throughout the spring and summer.
 

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Rees is vastly inferior to Crist. After watching Rees play against a horrible USC defense, I am firmly believe that Crist will be the starter barring injury.
 
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