'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[JKhrome1ND]

1. No. Crist has blown out both of his knees. He can transfer anywhere, but the chances of him playing at anywhere other than a smaller school are slim.
2. Montana could not win the starting job at a community college. He couldn't start at any FBS program.
3. Massa will probably transfer, which is a shame because he was the one QB recruit who committed after Kelly's hiring.
4. I agree with this.

1. I said Crist can transfer to any school he wants to, i never said he'll start for any school he wants to !! (BIG DIFFERENCE SON) !! Crist is a Big Time player ..... i think he can bounce back but he doesn't fit the ND spread offense that well (he did well cause well he had Floyd-Rudolph) catching the balls..... IMO He should transfer to a school that runs more of a pro style offense of a balance run-pass, kinda like TCU-Stanford-Arkansas type of offense, he could put up huge numbers. If you get what i mean, where Crist can be more of a pure pocket passer and isn't in a offense where has to be able to run alot or often with his knee injuires.

2. I know if Montana ever transfered to another big program, he probably won't start unless a injurie happens to the starter. but im sure there are plenty of schools out there that would give Nate a chance to be the starter or challenge for teh starting position for his senior year (D-I ~ D- II) whatever. cause he'll drop down the depth chart at ND big time next year !! yeah it would will be cool for him to stay loyal no matter where he is on the roster, but i would like to see this kid get a chance to be a starter, since it won't happen at ND. I just want the best for the kid. he's got the height 6'4 and the weight 215/220

3. I hope Massa stay's but yeah i think he'll be the first to go ..... like i said maybe he'll switch positions at ND but i doubt it. hope he brings his A game this spring and summer if he stays.

4. Hendrix-Rees-Golson ~ this could be dangerous fun spring to watch at ND !!

 

[SLCIRISH]

Lets not get to quick to start transferring players, maybe BK redshirts Golson, Montana gets his scholly taken, and walks on instead, and we just have ourselves a good old fashion quarterback competition.

 

[irishff1014]

You also have to worry about the injury factor. You cna't have all your good guys transfer then if you starter goes down then you are stuck with Nate and thats not good.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I just don't get where you are getting your information. I mean Massa (Hendrix, too) has not had a chance to compete for the position. Rees was in the right spot at the right time. He had familiarity with the spread in high school and enrolled early. He was much lower on the physical scale than either Massa or Hendrix.

I would like to see some vocalization of at least a hope or prayer on this site that Crist fully recovers. Screw football, that he can just lead a healthy life. Damaging a patellar tendon is a devastating injury, I know.

Good luck and best wishes Everett!

 

[jmurphy75]

First off the most valuable lesson that we can learn from this year is that we MUST have Quality depth at QB. In the real world we would all like to see Dayne back, we almost owe it to him for giving his heart and soul (and 2 knees) to this program. Montana has no business being on scholarship and I think that will be addressed in the off season. SO that leaves us with a sophomore shootout for playing time, Rees, Hendrix, Massa, and Golson as a true freshman. I'm not sure that we see any transfers especially with Kelly's next man in theory and what happened this year. I see Kelly making sure that at least 3 QB's can come in and function productively with our offense. So in the end I think Montana falls to the back of the depth chart and if Dayne can play he stays on as a quality back up.

 

[GoIrish41]

QB is wide open next year. I think the job will be won in the Spring, or at least narrowed down to the top two. My money is on Hendrix. Don't think Kelley can take another season of losing his cool on the sidelines at Dane making misreads and poor decisions, but provided his mobility remains in tact, I would think that Crist stays on as the primary backup. Although I love the Rees story, I think we all have to grudgingly admit that he is not and cannot be the guy at ND. I know he has won some games but if Kelley's offense requires a QB who can run the ball, I think it's clear Tommy is not that guy (too bad, I really like him). Golston will have a year to bulk up and learn the offense. Unless we win a BCS bowl behind whomever Kelly picks this year to play QB, Golston will enter this conversation anew next year. just my 2 cents.

oh, and no way in hell Kelly pulls the Montana scholarship next year.

 

[NDinL.A.]

QB is wide open next year. I think the job will be won in the Spring, or at least narrowed down to the top two. My money is on Hendrix. Don't think Kelley can take another season of losing his cool on the sidelines at Dane making misreads and poor decisions, but provided his mobility remains in tact, I would think that Crist stays on as the primary backup. Although I love the Rees story, I think we all have to grudgingly admit that he is not and cannot be the guy at ND. I know he has won some games but if Kelley's offense requires a QB who can run the ball, I think it's clear Tommy is not that guy (too bad, I really like him). Golston will have a year to bulk up and learn the offense. Unless we win a BCS bowl behind whomever Kelly picks this year to play QB, Golston will enter this conversation anew next year. just my 2 cents.

oh, and no way in hell Kelly pulls the Montana scholarship next year.

All fair points.

In regards to Hendrix starting, count me as one who doesn't want to start all over next year with yet another new (freshman) QB. First off, nobody knows how good he is; all we hear is that he has a tremendous arm (as does Crist), and that the speed of the college game and the complexity of the offense was overwhelming to him as a true freshman. With a defense that seems to be ready to be a top 25 defense, I'd much rather have a QB with at least some game experience vs. South FL next year.

As for Crist, I totally understand people's frustrations with im this year, and the injury-prone tag is well-deserved. However, he had much better #'s this year than Rees, and he has the ability to make every throw out there. But our expectations (and Kelly's) were so high that it looks like he failed. Personally, I would have loved to have seen him play with a defense like we saw in November, and a running game that we saw in November. I would have loved to have seen him throw 20-30 times a game like Crist had to vs 40-50 times a game like Dayne had to. And with that, provided he is healthy, I see Crist starting next year. But I see all points on this one.

As for Montana, Kelly wouldn't be pulling anything. Schollies are on a year-by-year basis, and that especially holds true with walk-ons given a scholly summer camp breaks. These guys know that what they were given is a reward for their hard work and talent, but if in the next year if a need for a scholly is warranted, their scholly could go to the next 4 star athlete. Happens more than you think. That's not to say that BK will do that to Montana, but if it's between giving a scholly to Ishaq or Montana (should the numbers dictate it), well, Papa Joe will be paying for his son's education at ND.

 

[IrishLax]

Here is my take:

1. If Crist recovers quickly enough he will likely be the starter. By this I mean every week he sits out injured is another one where he is not getting reps in the offense. If he is not healthy before the fall, then things will get cloudy.

2. If he does not recover quickly enough, it is anyone's guess. Rees may get better and add some arm strength, Hendrix might grab the reigns of the offense, Massa might come out of nowhere and Golson has a dimension that none of them have. It is impossible to project at this point.

3. With that being said, Darron Thomas of Oregon is a slightly taller version of Golson (at least by all scouting service grades and such) who was maybe a little worse at passing coming out of HS. He was an early enrollee and after a year as an understudy stepped in seamlessly to the Oregon offense. My question is, if he shows flashes of brilliance early does Kelly use two QBs? Does he redshirt him if Dayne is the starter because Dayne has two years left and he wants him to develop? It's very hard to project what the "best" thing to do is.

4. If Dayne just hadn't gotten hurt again... sigh. If Dayne finished the season we'd be talking about having him here for another two years, redshirting Golson and it would be a battle between Golson and Hendrix for the starting job in 2013... each with 2 or 3 years of eligibility respectively. Watching highlights from the beginning of the season, there is no question that Dayne can do a heck of a lot more with the football than Rees when it comes to attacking a defense. Dayne's biggest issue was throwing on the run and some poor decisions... but he was also asked to throw twice as much a game which inevitably leads to more mistakes.

I'm personally praying for a full recovery, two productive years and a future in the NFL. And I think Golson is a star for three years after that.

 

[ND NYC]

to me Crist problem is his touch and accuracy on the short and medium throws for this offense...i think (hope) he can and will make the reads over time (no guarantee here) , but when it comes to Kellys offense its about rhythm and reads and touch on the passes...and Crist im afraid has the touch of a bison.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Good stuff. My thoughts..

1. Golson - True wildcard. He could do anything from redshirt to start at some point in the year. As you guys have said, and I agree, he brings a unique dimension to the position no one else on this team has. Kelly may not want to sit on this but at the same time want to reign it in (ala Rees). My prediction is we did not get him to flip to sit out a year after early enrolling and watch his competition get further ahead of him. Look for him to be on the field this year at some point in certain formations.

2. Rees - He truly benefited from also being an EE to get a leg up on his QB classmates. In reading between the lines, I feel Kelly did not mind giving up his redshirt because he is probably not the long term solution. I am sure his handle of the offense made it an easy decision to be the guy in November and his attitude/moxie helped as well. Will he be able to stay ahead of the pack or will the others pass him once they have been on campus a year? We will not know until summer practice, but as crazy as it sounds as of right now it is Rees job to lose.

3. Massa - The guy no one knows anything about. If a poll was taken from ND nation on who will be last on our QB depth, this guy would listed on 80% of those ballots. I cannot write off any kid that quick this early. Kelly got him to flip near NSD last year for a reason. Personally I do not know what those reasons are yet but this kid will have every opportunity this spring/summer to compete to play on Saturdays.

4. Hendrix - Has all the tools to become a serious contender to start next year. I am also in the camp of not wanting to "start all over" next year as well. Our defense deserves better then bad field position all game long and turnovers. Not saying either of these will happen with Hendrix at the helm, but if he wins the job he will have earned it. Regardless this kid will definitely see action next fall.

5. Montana - I will be absolutely shocked if he has a scholarship next year because that would mean the 2011 recruiting class missed on guys and possible 5th players turned down the opportunity. Let me be clear, for the 2011-2012 academic year, Nate Montana is not guaranteed an athletic scholarship just because he has one currently. Kelly will offer another one only if there is an extra next year too. As far as playing time, he could not beat out a freshmen Rees this year and will valuable next fall as a reserve if the team experiences more injuries. As an upper classmen, he will be called on to be a leader of this young group, glad he is at ND.

6. Crist - Injuries in high school and college have delayed his progress. He posses every intangible that could be asked of in a young man. Like Hendrix, is one of the most physically gifted QBs on the team, but length of recovery time is paramount to allow him to win his job back. Unless he experiences set backs in either knee, I predict he will be back for spring practice in a brace to get in the reps. That will springboard him to the summer where I feel he shows why Kelly expected so much of him. Look for him to run out of the tunnel first on September 3rd vs USF.

 

[Riddickulous]

to me Crist problem is his touch and accuracy on the short and medium throws for this offense...i think (hope) he can and will make the reads over time (no guarantee here) , but when it comes to Kellys offense its about rhythm and reads and touch on the passes...and Crist im afraid has the touch of a bison.

Kelly said before that it would take Dayne a long time to learn his offense.

IMO, Tommy Rees is a filler QB. One who is adequate enough to win you games but is not capable of winning you championships. He's going to start until we find "the guy", which could be 2-3 years down the road or could be this offseason. We'll see.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Montana already has a scholly. It's called the "My-Dad-was-and-is-a-fu%king-NFL-icon-who-has-more-money-than-any-of-us-will-ever-see-so-he-can-pay-his-own-way" scholarship.

 

[Epitome]

Come on man! Montana earned his scholly. Secondly incase you forget by the time he came in against Michigan we were working against momentum and he did a serviceable job being the third string QB.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

If I had to make the decision I would NOT offer a scholarship to Montana.

 

[GreatGolson]

IMHO i think Kelly should make it his main prerogative to have Everett ready to start by September

 

[phillyirish]

Dayne Crist is going to start next year. He performed above decent for a first time qb. Compare his numbers to Brantley and Gilbert (other big time program first time qbs) and you'll see just how well he did. All and all he is the most talented qb on the roster. Reese did awesome and he should deserve the backup spot next year, but what ever happens down the road whether Hendrix, Golson, or some future blue-chip commit are to pass him we can't predict. We all should get off of Crist's and Reese's case and thank them for what they did in spite of all the adversity and controversy they faced.

 

[ryno 24]

I agree Golson should be ready by September it should be a great competition... he could really run that offense though I see our offense shifting a lot to becoming a much more run oriented team if he is quarterback

 

[DillonHall]

Dayne Crist is going to start next year. He performed above decent for a first time qb. Compare his numbers to Brantley and Gilbert (other big time program first time qbs) and you'll see just how well he did. All and all he is the most talented qb on the roster. Reese did awesome and he should deserve the backup spot next year, but what ever happens down the road whether Hendrix, Golson, or some future blue-chip commit are to pass him we can't predict. We all should get off of Crist's and Reese's case and thank them for what they did in spite of all the adversity and controversy they faced.

You could start by spelling Tommy's name correctly

 

[IrishMoore1]

I'm not sold on Crist. He can't throw down field at all despite his good arm strength. His accuracy is just so bad and he has no touch. Yeah people say that he'll eventually improve those things, but I'm not so sure.

Dayne has always had accuracy issues since he's been at ND, and he's hardly improved since then. As a redshirt freshman he struggled with down field throws bc he would overthrow the receiver. Now he under throws it!

I say start Rees and try to work Hendrix in sometime during the season. If Dayne can beat them out, then good. He will have proven himself and proven me wrong. But I just don't see it right now.

Golson will likely redshirt unless he is off the charts good. He probably needs to bulk up and add strength, size, and some speed before he'll be ready to play.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not sold on Crist. He can't throw down field at all despite his good arm strength. His accuracy is just so bad and he has no touch. Yeah people say that he'll eventually improve those things, but I'm not so sure.

Dayne has always had accuracy issues since he's been at ND, and he's hardly improved since then. As a redshirt freshman he struggled with down field throws bc he would overthrow the receiver. Now he under throws it!

I say start Rees and try to work Hendrix in sometime during the season. If Dayne can beat them out, then good. He will have proven himself and proven me wrong. But I just don't see it right now.

Golson will likely redshirt unless he is off the charts good. He probably needs to bulk up and add strength, size, and some speed before he'll be ready to play.

No offense intended here, but you are making a ton of assumptions and giving a lot of opinion but making it sound like they are facts. And a lot of what you said is pretty far off base, especially about Crist's accuracy and ability to throw downfield.

Crist both out performed Rees on the field and has higher upside. Yes, he made a couple comically bad throws (especially moving to his left) but overall he played well and got better every game besides Navy. With Rees our vertical passing game is basically non-existent. Rees has great touch and a lot of poise... but the jury is absolutely still out on someone who throws that many picks and has yet to throw a ball more than 25 yards in the air. Could he add some arm strength and progress? Absolutely. Is he starter quality for a BCS team right now? No.

To be honest, I would be shocked if Rees is the starter next year. For that to happen, Hendrix would have have to suck throughout camp, Golson would have to show he's not ready yet, Massa would have to... well, we haven't heard anything on Massa so that is a wildcard, and Dayne would have to be taking longer than expected to heal. Yes, it could happen, but it is more unlikely than not.

 

[sportallyr]

I'm curious (and I apologize if this has already been answered previously), but is there any chance that he would decide to just play basketball? How good of a basketball recruit is he? The reason I ask is because, our depth at QB is scary right now and our basketball team is going to lose a bunch after this year. If he got buried on the depth chart, is he good enough to play serious minutes for Brey's squad?

On a side note, I found this little snippit over on Scout from Everett's playoff game last weekend:

"Top performers for the weekend of November 26.

Everett Golson
Quarterback, 5-11, 170 lbs.
Myrtle Beach

Golson (senior) had four passing touchdowns going 15-of-24 with a total of 278 yards. The recent Notre Dame commitment, who switched from North Carolina, was finished for the night after the first series after intermission."

 

[IrishLax]

Very unlikely sportallyr. He is a 2 or 3 star basketball recruit and a 4 star football recruit. He certainly has potential to be a contributor at basketball, but he isn't going to walk in and be a starter.

 

[IrishLax]

Although it would be interesting to see if we could use a basketball schollie on him instead of a football one....... hmm....

 

[ryno 24]

nope cant use a basketball schollie on him I forget how it works but it doesnt work that way

 

[IrishLax]

nope cant use a basketball schollie on him I forget how it works but it doesnt work that way

haha ok just wondering

 

[military_irish]

Although it would be interesting to see if we could use a basketball schollie on him instead of a football one....... hmm....

I asked a question about that awhile ago, here is the thread.

Irish Envy Forum: Scholarship Question

 

[IHateMarkMay]

You could start by spelling Tommy's name correctly

Wait...??? He didn't invent peanut butter cups? lol

We do know that Golson is from Myrtle Beach in South, not North like the title says, Carolina right?
Beuller?
Beuller?
Beuller?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wait...??? He didn't invent peanut butter cups? lol

We do know that Golson is from Myrtle Beach in South, not North like the title says, Carolina right?

I believe the 'OIL CITY' is wrong too. I believe that in PA and where Koyack is from.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Very unlikely sportallyr. He is a 2 or 3 star basketball recruit and a 4 star football recruit. He certainly has potential to be a contributor at basketball, but he isn't going to walk in and be a starter.

"The 6-0, 170-pound Myrtle Beach High signal-caller has also expressed an interest in playing basketball at the collegiate level, and he was told by Irish baskeball head coach Mike Brey that he was good enough of a player to be a starting point guard."

A quote from a Jason Sapp article on Blue and Gold. I know alot is promised to recruits and it is unlikely.

 

[NDPhilly]

"The 6-0, 170-pound Myrtle Beach High signal-caller has also expressed an interest in playing basketball at the collegiate level, and he was told by Irish baskeball head coach Mike Brey that he was good enough of a player to be a starting point guard."

A quote from a Jason Sapp article on Blue and Gold. I know alot is promised to recruits and it is unlikely.

No way he beats out Atkins next year