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Thats not good....seems like there are still way to many questions to be answered....BEFORE a person writing such an article.
 

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According to "a source" (extremely credible...) the victim was able to identify the player in some sort of a lineup.

The thing is, with the victim's suicide all of the evidence will now be secondary or tertiary since she isn't around to give a firsthand account of the events in question. This whole situation is shrouded in mystery and this type of journalism is more of a witch hunt than a credible investigation.
 

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No particular player mentioned since he hasn't been charged yet.

Apparently the Tribune knows his identity though, so it wouldn't surprise me if it accidentally were released somehow in the next few days.


Amazing that they have kept this under wraps until we start playing a little better and get some good news(bowl eligible).
 

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But, can they even charge him at this point? If they haven't charged him yet and now the only person to provide a firsthand account of the incident is deceased, will they have any hard evidence needed to bring a charge forth?

This is why the article should have not been written at this point. It's a witch hunt which serves more as a defamation of the university than an article trying to factually report the incident.
 

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This article reeks of irresponsible journalism, but nonetheless is not the kind of publicity we need right now, especially in the wake of last month's fiasco.

St. Mary's freshman claimed sex attack by Notre Dame football player - chicagotribune.com

Well clearly that young lady had some trama...too early to tell, or speculate who, how, or why. Terribly tragic it ended for her this way...I would have hoped she could have had the fortitude to see it through and find justice. However, things are not always what they seem, and people do and say things for reasons we will never know. Too soon to know if her emotional hurts were caused by the alleged incident...or those hurts caused her to manufacture an incident out of something else entirely...it happens.

I am hoping the author of this piece jumped to conclusions about how this was handled though. I totally agree with the approach of checking internally first, following the truth where it leads you...but ya gotta come to a conclusion and make a reccomendation/report based on what you find...that part is bugging me.
 

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It seems like the article is insinuating that Notre Dame had something to do with the girls death.

They say that they didn't comment on it (she doesn't even attend Notre Dame) and they say "two weeks after reporting the incident, she apparently committed suicide."
 

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Well this puts a damper on our elation.

It's a shame the young lady killed herself. I never understood why somebody could do that.
 
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Wow, if this was a story about USC or Alabama all these comments would be talking about how bad those programs are. But because it possible involves Notre Dame it is "irresponsible journalism".
A poor girl is dead, yet more concern is about protecting the image of Notre Dame and whether or not because she is dead if there is still a case.
I can understand the feelings of the parents wanting to know if there is a connection between and alleged rape and her death. And I would be curious about the silence from the school. It seems apparent that the girl had some issues, but please have some compassion.
 

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It's not rape, read the story. It was said that no penetration occurred and whatever was happening stopped when there was a knock at the door.

I agree that this should not have been covered up at all and a report needs to be released. But if no one gets charged, then the player's name should never get released.
 

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I don't see a lack of compassion. It is unfortunate this young lady took her own life and I've seen other posts where people offer condolences. But, the fact is, her death (from what I read) is enveloped in this perceived scandal. It warrants discussion.

The crux of the situation is that a journalist at the Chicago Tribune posted a defaming article of the University without any concrete information or credible sources.
 

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Journalism in this article is horrible. I may have been able to write better. Way to much speculation. However, I hope that what is speculated is false. This would be a horrible thing for ND and already is for this poor girls family.
 

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Wow, if this was a story about USC or Alabama all these comments would be talking about how bad those programs are. But because it possible involves Notre Dame it is "irresponsible journalism".
A poor girl is dead, yet more concern is about protecting the image of Notre Dame and whether or not because she is dead if there is still a case.
I can understand the feelings of the parents wanting to know if there is a connection between and alleged rape and her death. And I would be curious about the silence from the school. It seems apparent that the girl had some issues, but please have some compassion.

I would be speaking up even if it was a story about USC or Alabama. IMHO this story is more about selling newspaper or getting page views than anything else.
 
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Horrible. I feel terrible for the girl and I hope that no player would have done something like this. Still, I would doubt there will ever be a charge because of the tragic suicide.
 

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Wow, if this was a story about USC or Alabama all these comments would be talking about how bad those programs are. But because it possible involves Notre Dame it is "irresponsible journalism".
A poor girl is dead, yet more concern is about protecting the image of Notre Dame and whether or not because she is dead if there is still a case.
I can understand the feelings of the parents wanting to know if there is a connection between and alleged rape and her death. And I would be curious about the silence from the school. It seems apparent that the girl had some issues, but please have some compassion.

I think the comments about the irresponsible journalism stem from the article consisting of 90% speculation, 9% opinion, and 1% fact. If the article was written after more facts were collected there would be a clearer understanding for the public (us).
 

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Wow, if this was a story about USC or Alabama all these comments would be talking about how bad those programs are. But because it possible involves Notre Dame it is "irresponsible journalism".
A poor girl is dead, yet more concern is about protecting the image of Notre Dame and whether or not because she is dead if there is still a case.
I can understand the feelings of the parents wanting to know if there is a connection between and alleged rape and her death. And I would be curious about the silence from the school. It seems apparent that the girl had some issues, but please have some compassion.

I responded as any lawyer would, the article is utter nonsense. Unless things work differently in the US, she would have made some form of sworn statement that would be admissible even if she couldn't testify, and there is was a rape kit done. Just because a woman says there was a sexual assault does not mean there way one, and convicting anyone in the media with what little information is in that article is woefully irresponsible and a clear hit piece.

I'd say the same thing about any Alabama or Florida thug too. There is a presumption of innocence, and the article is nothing but a hit piece on a school and an individual where there is likely insufficient evidence to lay charges.
 

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Not sure this story really adds up here. It's horrible that the girl killed herself. It's awful the counselors that she talked about her suicidal thoughts couldn't do more. But I don't understand how her family came to South Bend 3 days after the alleged attack to "support her" and went to a football game?? What kind of family doesn't go crazy if their daughter is sexually assaulted and make sure all available authorities are on the case?? They go watch a football game when their daughter was allegedly attacked by a football player? This story is not making a lot of sense.
 
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Maybe a lot of you should actually read the full article instead of skimming it and passing it as nonsense. While she did not go to Notre Dame, she went to the Notre Dame police, who failed to do anything about it. They took a statement, she picked the player out of the roster, and when she went to the hospital they got DNA. There is evidence there, the problem is the Notre Dame police did not release the information to the proper authorities. They did not have the tools sufficient to pursue this case and therefore did not.
 

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Notre Dame police could have turned the case over to the county's special victims unit, which is trained to handle sex-crime investigations. However, officials did not do so, and a campus police log shows the matter was assigned within the department.

They'd better have a phenomenal reason for deciding to handle this internally, or else this could be a devastating story.
 

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Maybe a lot of you should actually read the full article instead of skimming it and passing it as nonsense. While she did not go to Notre Dame, she went to the Notre Dame police, who failed to do anything about it. They took a statement, she picked the player out of the roster, and when she went to the hospital they got DNA. There is evidence there, the problem is the Notre Dame police did not release the information to the proper authorities. They did not have the tools sufficient to pursue this case and therefore did not.

I may be blind here, but I believe the article states; 'Seeberg received treatment at a local hospital, consented to a DNA evidence kit and was offered counseling.' Nowhere does it state they got DNA, just that an evidence kit was consented to. It also states: 'A source said that her allegations did not describe penetration, but a sexual attack that ended when there was a knock on the door.' Which leaves the door open for one to assume that with no penetration there may have not been any DNA. In no way am I saying this incident did or did't happen. But if your post starts with 'Maybe a lot of you should actually read the full article,' maybe you should.
 

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Maybe a lot of you should actually read the full article instead of skimming it and passing it as nonsense. While she did not go to Notre Dame, she went to the Notre Dame police, who failed to do anything about it. They took a statement, she picked the player out of the roster, and when she went to the hospital they got DNA. There is evidence there, the problem is the Notre Dame police did not release the information to the proper authorities. They did not have the tools sufficient to pursue this case and therefore did not.

Where'd it say "They did not have the tools sufficient to pursue this case and therefore did not." That to me presumes they didn't investigate, but I didn't find that in the article, nor do I believe this wasn't investigated.

somebody who knows DNA kits would have to explain to me what that entails when there is no penetration...not saying there isn't a crime w/o it...just saying it isn't obvious to me what that test can do other than put the people together...

I too am wondering where the reccommendation/report went that most certainly would be required to close this out...even internally.

But come on...you can't assume in this day and age any investigative body would burry ANYTHING...

Guess we'll find out soon enough.
 

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Maybe a lot of you should actually read the full article instead of skimming it and passing it as nonsense. While she did not go to Notre Dame, she went to the Notre Dame police, who failed to do anything about it. They took a statement, she picked the player out of the roster, and when she went to the hospital they got DNA. There is evidence there, the problem is the Notre Dame police did not release the information to the proper authorities. They did not have the tools sufficient to pursue this case and therefore did not.


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I'm so confused. There is basically no information in this story except that:

1. There was a depressed girl.
2. The depressed girl claimed sexual assault.
3. The depressed girl killed herself.

Are we supposed to infer that she killed herself because of the alleged sexual assault? That wasn't a rape? And couldn't she have OD'd accidentally? If she did take her life, how do we know it wasn't something else that caused her to? Like a failed test?

I just don't get it.... the article wants you to infer so much... but doesn't give any substance.

Lastly, this is not the first time something like this has happened. If my memory serves me correctly the last time it turned out the girl fabricated the whole story about gang rape by 4 ND players but they were already convicted in the court of public opinion. Not sure if my memory is right on that.

Lastly, did we learn nothing from the Duke lacrosse scandal? Once again irresponsible journalism and reporting to sell their product with shock news before there are any facts available. Unbelievable.
 

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Difficult to comment on this without seeming insensitive but there is very little of substance in this article other than innuendo. This means to me, whether it turns out to have substance or not, that it is way premature. The far-and-away major piece of information related was that the unfortunate young person was a depressive central nervous system person before ever coming to St. Mary's and required prescription medicine for [apparently] episodic attacks of depression and anxiety. That status, which was apparently known by authorities, should suggest to all of us, including newspaper saleswriters, to shut up until some real pertinent facts are revealed. Until such information is clearly determined, it IS inappropriate writing, whether true in the end or not. This has a lot of similarity in "feel" to people calling for Kelly's head, post the Declan Sullivan tragedy, as if it was obvious that the coach was the guilty party.
 

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I'm so confused. There is basically no information in this story except that:

1. There was a depressed girl.
2. The depressed girl claimed sexual assault.
3. The depressed girl killed herself.

Are we supposed to infer that she killed herself because of the alleged sexual assault? That wasn't a rape? And couldn't she have OD'd accidentally? If she did take her life, how do we know it wasn't something else that caused her to? Like a failed test?

I just don't get it.... the article wants you to infer so much... but doesn't give any substance.

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but you have no trouble inferring she killed herself by OD'ing or due to a failed test.

id bet my left arm if this were a football player at (name your SEC school here), that the benefit of the doubt would be going to the girl, not the football player.
 
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