I'm kind of surprised...

[kmoose]

I'm kind of surprised that people were defending Kerry Neal's actions, in the "stomp" thread that was closed. If you watch the video, Neal holds the player down, just before stepping on him. That shows intent. And it's also pi$$-poor sportsmanship. I might just be an old, idealistic guy, but I can't support any pi$$-poor sportsmanship. It flies in the very face of what makes ND different (or is supposed to). That thread degenerated into a bunch of whining and name calling. I'm not trying to revive that, I just can't believe that people are trying to justify intentionally poor sportsmanship.

 

[irishff1014]

That was last game no one fing cares. it is a mute point.

 

[kmoose]

That was last game no one fing cares. it is a mute point.

It's moot, not mute. And people got awfully heated, in the previous thread, for not caring.

 

[irishff1014]

no they tired of dealing with one person

 

[irishfan]

Its hard to say how much intent there really was. At the time of the actual stomping, he didnt have his head down. The play was also still going on, and he was trying to everything he could to pull Dobbs back. There was no other way to get to Dobbs. People get stepped on and much worse at the bottom of scrums like that. If Neal thought he had a legitimate chance to stop Dobbs from reaching the end zone, and the only way to do it was by stepping on the Navy guy, then whatever. If you think a Navy guy wouldnt think twice about doing the same thing to stop Crist on a QB sneak than you're crazy. They show 0 regard for people's knees, why would stepping on someone be any different?

 

[JeremyND07]

(1) game suspension is in order from Kelly in my opinion! I hope this is not a sign of things to come at ND...pretending like nothing happened!

 

[irishfan]

Oh, and I'll take that over the cheap shot Navy pulled on Blanton last year any day of the week.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I like our players to play with class and have good sportsmanship but these kids are also human and in the heat of the moment through obvious frustration neal stepped on the guy. I'm not going to lose sleep over it and I think too much attention is being given to this topic. Should Neal have done that? No. Are there more important matters with the way we played that game or how we didn't play the game? YES. this is like beating a dead horse. I'm sure the coaching staff addressed this particular situation with him already.

 

[Zibby32]

i have serious doubts the coaching staff addressed it...what is there to address, no penalty...Are we still playing football?

 

[kmoose]

If you think a Navy guy wouldnt think twice about doing the same thing to stop Crist on a QB sneak than you're crazy. They show 0 regard for people's knees, why would stepping on someone be any different?

I'm sure you probably don't care, but I'm a Navy veteran. I served alongside quite a few Academy grads. If you think that they intentionally attempt to injure people's knees, then you are sadly mistaken.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Thats not being tough, or intense. That's being weak. Hurt him when he looking right at you. Its like punching someone who is not looking, you're nothing but a scared weak little girl. Bench him.

 

[Zibby32]

Good for you! NAVY family myself....(KMOOSE)

So you played on the team? Good you will provide some insight on this topic...

because the reputation of several of the service academys isnt exactly clean!

 

[IrishMoore1]

via Twitter: Brian Kelly on whether there's anything about Kerry Neal "stomp" video to deal with: "We don't believe so"

 

[kmoose]

Good for you! NAVY family myself....(KMOOSE)

So you played on the team? Good you will provide some insight on this topic...

because the reputation of several of the service academys isnt exactly clean!

No, I never said I played, or even went to the Academy. But I knew quite a few "ring knockers", in the fleet. They weren't the smartest guys in the world, oddly enough (the academies are generally known for being very good academic institutions). But they all, in my experience, had a very good sense of "fair play".

 

[Zibby32]

really KMOOSE?

I am not questioning your loyalty to the NAVY, but....

"What I think is crazy is a lack of imagination for what they do. I don't ever get up here and talk about the illegal cut blocks. They hit (Brian Smith) illegally last year and put him out. They hit (Robert Blanton) on one of the most malicious plays I've ever seen since I've been playing. And I called him about it. And I told him I thought it was very poor. He probably thought I called because we lost; I was going to say something to him before the game but I didn't. Very malicious. And in this game, which we're supposed to be playing for our kids, you don't let your players do something like that.

Comments form Corwin Brown, last years game.

"If you think that they intentionally attempt to injure people's knees, then you are sadly mistaken."

AM I?

 

[kmoose]

really KMOOSE?

I am not questioning your loyalty to the NAVY, but....

"What I think is crazy is a lack of imagination for what they do. I don't ever get up here and talk about the illegal cut blocks. They hit (Brian Smith) illegally last year and put him out. They hit (Robert Blanton) on one of the most malicious plays I've ever seen since I've been playing. And I called him about it. And I told him I thought it was very poor. He probably thought I called because we lost; I was going to say something to him before the game but I didn't. Very malicious. And in this game, which we're supposed to be playing for our kids, you don't let your players do something like that.

Comments form Corwin Brown, last years game.

"If you think that they intentionally attempt to injure people's knees, then you are sadly mistaken."

AM I?

I'll be honest. I don't remember the exact play with Blanton, or Smith. And I'm certainly not saying that no one from the Academy football team has ever taken a cheap shot at an opponent. But, to justify Kerry Neal's play, by characterizing the entire Navy team as showing 0 concern for other people's knees, is just wrong.

 

[irishfan]

I'll be honest. I don't remember the exact play with Blanton, or Smith. And I'm certainly not saying that no one from the Academy football team has ever taken a cheap shot at an opponent. But, to justify Kerry Neal's play, by characterizing the entire Navy team as showing 0 concern for other people's knees, is just wrong.

Here is the play.

YouTube - navy blanton

Shouldn't have said the entire team has no concern for people's knees, but fact is there are always multiple knee injuries when playing Navy.

And again, this play on Blanton goes way beyond what Neal did.

 

[Zibby32]

make sure IRISH TIMES gets a peak at that little tid bit!

exactly what I was speaking too before, questionable cut blocking is far more dangerous than what Kerry Neal did!

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

That Blanton play was just ridiculous.

 

[IrishinSyria]

My take: the play looks bad, and kind of awkward, but if players are going to be diving, they become a part of the field. If anything, Kerry was kind of overly gentle in the way he put his foot down, like he was making a half hearted effort to get into the pile but didn't really want to draw a penalty or hurt the guy.

But the name calling here is ridiculous. It should be pretty easy to see where each side is coming from on this one.

 

[kmoose]

make sure IRISH TIMES gets a peak at that little tid bit!

exactly what I was speaking too before, questionable cut blocking is far more dangerous than what Kerry Neal did!

The thing is: I don't think you can classify that as a "cut block". That was just an absolute cheap shot.

Still, it in no way justifies what Neal did. If I were the Head Coach at ND, I would publicly announce that Neal was suspended for one or two games, for that play. I don't think he should be hammered, but I do think he needs to be disciplined to the point of sitting out a game or two. Given the circumstances, I think that would be fair.

 

[Zibby32]

That is a cut block from behind...I dont know how you can argue it?

 

[irishff1014]

The thing is: I don't think you can classify that as a "cut block". That was just an absolute cheap shot.

Still, it in no way justifies what Neal did. If I were the Head Coach at ND, I would publicly announce that Neal was suspended for one or two games, for that play. I don't think he should be hammered, but I do think he needs to be disciplined to the point of sitting out a game or two. Given the circumstances, I think that would be fair.

Thats why you not the head coach.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

While I can definitely see it being a penalty (or maybe a fine in the NFL) "stomping" goes a bit too far.

It appears as if he's climbing to get to the pile, with an intentional disregard for the fact that there is a player below him.

 

[TDHeysus]

IMO......I saw the Navy guy take a low block angle that appeared to hit Neal around the hip/thigh area(both players were in a prown position; goalline). I didnt see anything wrong with it. It was close to going lower on the leg towards the knee, but it didnt go that far. but i can understand Neal's frustration, especially given Navy's past 'blocks' versus Blanton

I think there was some intent with Neal, if you look he stomps his foot first and misses the navy player and hits the field, then he steps on the navy player and goes for the ball. I think he was going for the ball, and convieniently using the navy player to do so, thats football.

Both actions by both players were borderline, but I dont think there anything wrong with any of it, thats football. Maybe Kerry Neal 'gets a talking to' by BK. But by no means should that be a suspension or any disciplinary action.

BK should tell Kerry Neal to "...be a little more subtle in your approach.../wink"

 

[GoIrish41]

Moose isn't talking about plays from last year. He isn't even talking about most plays from this year. He's talking about what Neal did on a single play. It was a low rent move by Neal and there should be no place for it in ND football.

 

[RDU Irish]

Looked to me like he was jumping on the pile. I see no transgression. How American of everyone to always assume the worst. I have no idea what Neal had going on in his head but I if you don't want to get stepped on, don't lay down next to the dog pile on your back.

It's not soccer.

 

[IrishinSyria]

if you don't want to get stepped on, don't lay down next to the dog pile on your back.

This.

 

[IrishLax]

Looked to me like he was jumping on the pile. I see no transgression. How American of everyone to always assume the worst. I have no idea what Neal had going on in his head but I if you don't want to get stepped on, don't lay down next to the dog pile on your back.

It's not soccer.

Exactly. I've seen way worse happen in lacrosse for God's sake. Not to mention hockey and rugby.

This wasn't a Marcus Vick incident at all and people need to get that through their head. He stepped on someone as he went into the pile and kept playing... I don't see the big deal.

 

[kmoose]

That is a cut block from behind...I dont know how you can argue it?

What I'm saying is that I don't classify it as a block, at all. I simply classify it as a cheap shot. The cut block discussion, to me, is about legitimate blocks that are a part of the play, as it is drawn up on the chalkboard. I don't think that the "cut block/cheap shot" on Blanton is indicative of the 99% of the other blocks that are thrown by Navy, during the course of the game.