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You had me until that. Really? Thats the only reason Charlie lost?

IT was the only reason he didn't beat Navy in 2007. TI wasn't the only reason he lost all the other games. Instead of trying to kick a 45 yard FG to win it he went fo rit of 4th down and didn't make it. For me this was the worst defensive effort I have ever witnessed from an ND defense and that includes every game from 2007. This team has some pro prospects while Navy has none. At least we might have had some pro prospects.

Hopefully you can now agree with the whole thread. CW could also hang more than 17 points on that Navy D.
 

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No I dont agree and Im almost sure that a lot of other ppl wont agree either. This is a ridiculous post!

And just a quick question since you want to bring up Charlie Weis' unstoppable offense against the Midshipmen. How many did they put up last year? And that was with an offense that had been in the same system for years. Not to mention we were without Floyd, Rudolph, and Theo for this game.
 
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Very true. But Brian Kelly simply isn't going to do that. His style of offense isn't suited to having a defense like that.

I know, and I have no expectations of him doing so. My previous post was made sort of as a compliment to this post in another thread:

Personally the mere thought of us running the spread offense for the next few years makes me want to puke. I miss the pro-style offense.

Why we scrapped one perfectly good offensive system for the latest trend is beyond me. Our problems under Weis were mainly the D and the running game. So we brought in a head coach with a high powered passing offense thinking somehow things would be different because "he is a winner."

Guess what? Its still the same team. We still play soft, still rely on the pass, and still have no defense. I said last year we need a coach who can bring a physical running game and defense to complement our passing game.

I'm willing to give Kelly time to find the right guys. But I shudder thinking about what the state of our program will be if he doesn't work out.
 

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No I dont agree and Im almost sure that a lot of other ppl wont agree either. This is a ridiculous post!

The whole post or just the last desparate rant about the FG kicking in 2007?

Sorry I am in state of utter disarray after today's performance so I am not sure what to do.
 

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The crazy stats of this game:

-Navy only outgained us by 50.
-Armando Allen got 6.6 yards per carry.

Tell me... why didn't we just run it down our throats like they were doing to us? Why did we have to go pass happy?

Because we got down early and quick, and BK thought we needed to catch up quick.

I said all week if we trail at half we are in big trouble
 

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The whole post or just the last desparate rant about the FG kicking in 2007?

Sorry I am in state of utter disarray after today's performance so I am not sure what to do.

Just the fact that you think our FG kicking was the only reason Chuck lost. That is very far from the truth.
 

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Thanks Riddickulous for some real observations. I agree with everything you said, especially your first two points. Unfortunately, we could probably have said this after most of our previous 7 games.
 

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All I have to say is that 357 yards rushing is unacceptable. Regardless of how bad your team is.
 

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1. This game was absolutely lost in the trenches, which should just show everyone that despite the fact that this team has made strides, it's still not a very good team. Navy, in the second half, was actually getting about a 1.5 to 2 yard push, on our defensive line. Incredible!!

Agree...we did alot of catching on Defense...looked pathetic. The first half I saw a couple nice plays where we attacked the blocker...stuffed the run...One read and pop...too mutch thinking...too much staring in the backfield...WAAAY too much. I'm disappointed...I know Diaco is 50X smarter than me, but whats wrong with taking the first series and saying...hey they might score...but Dobbs is seeing stars...right here...right now...we are going to punish him...if you want to slow the option you have to kill the QB early and often. Did he even get hit hard today?

2. Dayne Crist played very poorly. He threw into coverage all day long, and probably should have had 4 or 5 INTs, instead of 2.

Agree...I was confused by what he was doing. This could easily have been a 5 interception day...this was just horrible decision making at the QB spot. He was bound to have a bad day...He's still very dangerous with his feet and his arm...needs to make better decisions...throws were bad today as well as reads...just an all around poop day. The thing that saddens me is we still do not have guys that can raise their game in the face of adversity...this one should have been Dayne's to step up...I see it in other teams...haven't seen it out of an ND team in YEARS.

3. The offense was anemic, to say the least. I don't care that Floyd and Riddick were out. We should have lined up, fired off the ball, and run it down Navy's throats. I know that Kelly's offense is the spread, but I'm baffled by his absolute insistence on constantly throwing the ball, even when the matchup dictates that we line up and run, run, run..

Agree the run looked like the better option today...not sure whats up other than I blinked and it was 28-10...so running was kinda less of an option...

3. CBS had two clowns in the booth, today. If I heard them talk about about David Rufner, one more time, I was going to put a brick through my TV. These guys have an entire week to learn the names of the players. They are supposed to be professional commentators. It's just getting ridiculous. I'd rather hear a guy who knows the players' names, than listen to some guy who is in the booth just because he played the game professionally.

RUFNER, GOODWYN...when did these guys walk on? I like Bolerjack, but bad day for him too...Cross...eh, I could live w/o him.


4. If I were coaching this team, they would run the equivalent of the distance between The Meadowlands and ND's campus, this week. In essence, they would be running home from the game.

STADIUM STAIRS Baby...all day, every day...

A completely lackluster performance, on both sides of the ball. It was reminiscent of the worst efforts I have ever seen, in College Football.

And now I have to go to work, and put in my eight hours. I decided to wait until afternoon to go in, for this?!?!?!?

Sorry you missed work for a rather uninspired *** drubbing by a service academy...it wasn't an heroic finish, it was a methodical, disciplined beat down...If I were Kelly I'd order the team to sit down to pee the rest of the week to commemorate their play...
 

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No I dont agree and Im almost sure that a lot of other ppl wont agree either. This is a ridiculous post!

And just a quick question since you want to bring up Charlie Weis' unstoppable offense against the Midshipmen. How many did they put up last year? And that was with an offense that had been in the same system for years. Not to mention we were without Floyd, Rudolph, and Theo for this game.

I think we had up to 5 turnover's last year a 2-3 inside the 10. That is the biggest reason we lost last year. My comment about FG kicking applies only to our loss in 2007 because we couldn't kick a 45 yarder to win the game.
 

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I think we had up to 5 turnover's last year a 2-3 inside the 10. That is the biggest reason we lost last year. My comment about FG kicking applies only to our loss in 2007 because we couldn't kick a 45 yarder to win the game.

Today we turned the ball over on downs at the 1 on our opening drive. Crist threw 2interceptions and had an all around bad game without his main threats.

I understand that thelate FG would have won that game but we should never have been in that position. We lost that game for a lot of reasons.
 

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please stop trying to rationalize the steaming pile of dog crap this team put on the field today.

as i said in another thread... weak, unmotivated, undisciplined.
 

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I think one of the most concerning things was the lack of pride and passion. After the play late in the first half where hayseed gave up on the play and they scored, the team was done. The whole 2nd half was mailed in. They got dominated by an inferior team and no one seemed to care.

BINGO
 

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Agree with these, no one expected us to win every game, and I guarantee you no one in the locker room is feeling good, but that doesn't mean the sky is falling, we don't have the players yet to run the spread offense. And the defensive kids we are recruiting have to know that they are going to make a difference day 1. I say we don't get any decommitments from this, but if we do, we didn't want them anyways, I believe BK will get these guys to 7 wins and a bowl game win. We shall see, but my point is, the sky isn't falling.

Guess what dude. The sky fell. Rock bottom.
 

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Maybe ND should just start running the flexbone or veer or what the **** ever you wanna call it offense. Maybe they will win more than 5 or 6 games a year then.

Or heck, lets just go out and hire ken nibeieodkjfkdla;fkdakfd tufu or whatever his name is. If ya cant beat him hire him.
 

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Not impressed at all with Diaco.

Each and every week we see one of two scenarios:

1. We come out with a poor scheme defensively in the first half, get mudholed, make adjustments and see dramatic improvement in the second half (Michigan, Boston College, WMU)
2. We look decent or good in the first half and then fall apart in the second half (Michigan State, Stanford, Pittsburgh)

Today was just a mess.
 

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Anyone want to kill the CBS guys for constantly screwing up the ND players names? Introducing your place kicker! David Ruffner! They never fixed that, and there was a couple more as well.
 

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Guess what dude. The sky fell. Rock bottom.

Agreed. When you haven't beaten SC in years and lose 3 out of 4 to Navy... it's pretty low.

By the way, everyone needs to go read the book Resurrection about Notre Dame football. It is what gives me hope.
 

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I do believe that in the Next week Lynch will be decommiting. Thats what sucks the most. And Guess what If we Don't play better we will lose to utah,usc,air force
 

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I do believe that in the Next week Lynch will be decommiting. Thats what sucks the most. And Guess what If we Don't play better we will lose to utah,usc,air force

1. we dont play air force
2. that is a ridiculous claim
 

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Lynch said about a week ago that he is going to nd but kids can change there minds. But he will be there by january. Im sure Momma Lynch wants him to go to nd.
 

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Maybe it's the wine kicking in . . . so I'm trying to go positive (damn it's hard).
I think our recievers were above expectation today.
Kamara was solid, I expect him to get get more time. TJ was real good, minus the one bad drop. Eifert looks like the next big stud. Tomo did well. Goodman and Ragone were average.
I didn't like CBS's 'Drops' segement where they showed these guys either twisting backwards or fighting defenders in the air on bad passes, and made it seem like the receivers fault (again with TJ's drop being the exception.) Kudos to these guys, I don't think the injuries cost us the game - granted maybe a few plays would have been different with Floyd.
The other positive was seeing Crist get out and run. He's been too timid all year. We need more of that.
Rees, looked like he can come in if needed. He didn't have the same scared look as in the UM game.
Ruffer (again)
Can't think of anything else. I thought Shembo could have made a difference today, but didn't see him.
 

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Maybe it's the wine kicking in . . . so I'm trying to go positive (damn it's hard).
I think our recievers were above expectation today.
Kamara was solid, I expect him to get get more time. TJ was real good, minus the one bad drop. Eifert looks like the next big stud. Tomo did well. Goodman and Ragone were average.
I didn't like CBS's 'Drops' segement where they showed these guys either twisting backwards or fighting defenders in the air on bad passes, and made it seem like the receivers fault (again with TJ's drop being the exception.) Kudos to these guys, I don't think the injuries cost us the game - granted maybe a few plays would have been different with Floyd.
The other positive was seeing Crist get out and run. He's been too timid all year. We need more of that.
Rees, looked like he can come in if needed. He didn't have the same scared look as in the UM game.
Ruffer (again)
Can't think of anything else. I thought Shembo could have made a difference today, but didn't see him.

You know what...I was just thinking the same about Kamara...he had a solid day...and when he trucked the Navy Backer I was yelling "thats what I'm talking about"...

Good post...reps Wine man!
 

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Lets be real

Lets be real

These are sad times for Notre Dame football. I can only hope the players needed to change it will still come to play for Notre Dame. That game today was torture to watch. I saw people leaving the stadium in the 3rd quarter-reflect on the impact of that statement. Leaving the stadium early because Navy was kicking your @#$.
 

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My observations are:

1. Our defense is pretty terrible all the way around. I mean, the triple option is fairly tricky to defend since you don't see it often enough these days and Navy runs it to perfection. But...at one point they had 38 runs and 2 passes. I wonder what they're going to do? Oh, that's right, run it.

2. We are going to have to get a better group of QB's. I love the spread option attack, but since it requires a mobile QB, we're going to not only have to get a good QB (and a tough one at that), we are going to need a couple in case of injury. Crist, Rees, Hendrix and Montana just don't seem to either be a good fit or decent enough to take us where we want to be. That isn't to say none of them are any good...that's still open for debate. But, they definitely suck in this offense.

3. We have got to get back to "minding the store". Navy used to be an automatic win, and now it's a complete toss up. It's never good when Navy beats us for the third time out of four years and not only is it not shocking, it's not even front page news. We have completely become irrelevant when a team we used to have a four decade win streak over starts beating us and it's not even really news.

4. I'm actually concerned we might lose to Army in Yankees Stadium.

5. I'm concerned we might lose to Tulsa (who isn't a bad team), New Mexico State (which would just flat suck), and endure yet another beating from a USC team that if we were ever going to beat it would be this season.

Final thought: I believe Kelly is the right man and I like the offensive and defensive schemes overall. But, yet again, the question arises and we seem to have no answer: We need talent, and moreover, we need to do a better job developing that talent and we don't seem able to do that anymore. Can we?
 

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My observations are:

1. Our defense is pretty terrible all the way around. I mean, the triple option is fairly tricky to defend since you don't see it often enough these days and Navy runs it to perfection. But...at one point they had 38 runs and 2 passes. I wonder what they're going to do? Oh, that's right, run it.

2. We are going to have to get a better group of QB's. I love the spread option attack, but since it requires a mobile QB, we're going to not only have to get a good QB (and a tough one at that), we are going to need a couple in case of injury. Crist, Rees, Hendrix and Montana just don't seem to either be a good fit or decent enough to take us where we want to be. That isn't to say none of them are any good...that's still open for debate. But, they definitely suck in this offense.

3. We have got to get back to "minding the store". Navy used to be an automatic win, and now it's a complete toss up. It's never good when Navy beats us for the third time out of four years and not only is it not shocking, it's not even front page news. We have completely become irrelevant when a team we used to have a four decade win streak over starts beating us and it's not even really news.

4. I'm actually concerned we might lose to Army in Yankees Stadium.

5. I'm concerned we might lose to Tulsa (who isn't a bad team), New Mexico State (which would just flat suck), and endure yet another beating from a USC team that if we were ever going to beat it would be this season.

Final thought: I believe Kelly is the right man and I like the offensive and defensive schemes overall. But, yet again, the question arises and we seem to have no answer: We need talent, and moreover, we need to do a better job developing that talent and we don't seem able to do that anymore. Can we?

OK...some disagreements:

1. Obviously they're going to run it...the problem is figuring out who has the ball.

4. Valid concern after watching the defense fail miserably against the triple option, but Army is not nearly as effective at running their offense as Navy.

5. What does New Mexico State have to do with anything? And why did you expect USC to be an easier game now when they still have a fair amount of talent while we work in new schemes with a new QB...if anything, a win over SC would be much more likely in a couple years from now.
 

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As the immortal Jules Winnfield said, "Well then allow me to retort."

1. Of course the trick to defending the option is figuring out who is going to run it. But, there's only three people who can possibly get it. Plus, it's a run and you know this going in. Sure, they can pass it, but it's not what they prefer to do. A good defense and defensive scheme forces the opposing offense to do what they aren't comfortable with. In this case, it's throwing the football a lot. What you want to hang your hat on, win or lose, is that if you lost you made them win it the hard way. Saturday, Navy got to do whatever they wanted within their comfort zone. If we had put the defensive backs up tight on their receivers, with an eye on run defense, and nine guys in the box we could have had a much better chance to stop the run. We could have even said "You know what? Screw their passing attack. Everyone key on the rushing game and let the chips fall where they may. If they beat us through the air then they truly are the better team and we cannot do anything about that." But, to let them do what they want on offense, within their comfort zone, is a fundamental breakdown in defense and shows a complete lack of preparation and refusal to make adjustments. Trust me, if Navy beat us by passing all over the place while we committed to completely stopping their run...give 'em credit. But their win was just a walk in the park as they executed their offense like our defense was the practice squad.

4. That wasn't the point...Army isn't the team Navy is or has been all the way around. The point is that this team is truly that bad that we may lose to Army. That's not being negative, I'm just saying...what do we do well? We don't really pass that effectively (and when we do, it's not consistent). We run the ball fairly well at times, but we're a pass first offense (that now is missing some key weapons). Our QB is a bit erratic in that sometimes he looks great, sometimes he looks terrible. Either way, we have no one behind him capable of doing much on field yet. Our defense has a few great play makers but as a whole is just not that great. These factors seem to point to a potential to lose to Army, and that's an even lower measuring stick game than Navy as Navy is actually a pretty good team.

5. A New Mexico State team should not beat Notre Dame in reality. I think most people would consider them an inferior team, with inferior talent and losing to them would be far, far more of an upset at this point than Navy. USC, while still decent, is no where near the Pete Carroll USC teams. If we had things more going our way, this game would at least be competitive and would quite possibly be a win for Notre Dame finally. But, with the way USC has been playing, coupled with how poorly we have been as well as our confusion on a real identity as a team, all signs point to another USC beating. That's unfortunate as this year more than most it would seem we are more even in terms of talent and coaching acumen.
 
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