Why doesn't BK ever defer the kickoff?

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Although I like the aggressive style that BK implements, something about me always likes to have the ball at the beginning of the second half.

Does anyone know why he always accepts the kickoff when we win the toss?
 

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He likes to get the ball and score immediately. I'm a defer kind of guy myself, but it's what he does.
 

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He likes to get the ball and score immediately. I'm a defer kind of guy myself, but it's what he does.

I love that he trusts the offense to jump on top first but given our track record, I think he should defer to the second half. Imo, I think that having the ball first in the second half would help us more than accepting the ball on the kick off.
 

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I don't have the stats but does anyone know how many times we've scored on our opening drive when we've won the toss?
 

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I've never understood the "defer" option. If I win the toss, I take the ball.

Somebody sssttopp meee.
 

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Deferring would put the D on the field one more time than it has to be, potentially. The last thing this D unit needs is more time on the field. With this sort of offense, taking the ball first makes sense.
 

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William Carlos Williams:

so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.

Dshans:

so little depends
upon

a deferred
kickoff

glazed in sun
lit glare

beside the game
plan angst.

In simpler terms, if there is a distinct advantage (think "prevailing winds") to being in the position of having the wind at your back in the 2nd and 4th quarters, opt for that. Otherwise it's just a mind game. Whatever floats Kelly's (and thus the team's) boat.
 

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dshans, you are a classy dude---I wonder how many other football boards regularly quote great literature. But some are probably thinking that such behavior is why our team is too soft--- shame on us. And, as usual, I'm with Neutered. The old-style coaches took the ball except when the weather dictated a field-position game and they took the "direction". Kelly has confidence that his offense is good enough that even if they don't score they will give the opponent poor field position. If the defense then rises, we will have an even better chance of scoring on second series. If you take the ball, you always have a chance to have it one more time than the opponent. If you refuse the ball, you never do. [we are talking about the first half here]. Thus Kelly's philosophy is to try to give the team a first half advantage, going into the locker room with all the psychology that implies. Of course, if you're a defensive minded coach, you reason the exact opposite way about first half field position. In the end, it is dshans, as usual, who is correct. We have to play the game, regardless.
 

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and with the bullsht clock rules now he probably likes the chance for the extra possession.
 

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He wants to get on top right away

He wants to get on top right away

I like it, it shows faith in the offense.

Although I like the aggressive style that BK implements, something about me always likes to have the ball at the beginning of the second half.

Does anyone know why he always accepts the kickoff when we win the toss?
 

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We win the opening toss.

No matter where the wind blows

Give us the ball coach.

We will shake down the thunder.

Couldn't agree more. We don't defer because we have the confidence that no matter what, we're going to stuff it down someone's throat. Now, that may or may not be true, but the idea is there and that idea needs to be supported with confidence. The only people who really like deferring to the second half are defensive minded coaches with a very stout, top five defense. We have neither.
 

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kelly doesnt defer because we may have the worst pass defense in college football. getting ahead in a game is hugh. very simple. pitt gifted us this game with a terrible qb and stupid game plan. our pass defense is still god awful,and we dont have any corner recruits coming in. hardy is a big time recruit,but he is a safety.
deferring with our pass defense is stupid.the mich game was a perfect example. we took the opening kickoff and went right down the field. the atmosphere was buzzing and confidence was hugh. Unfortunately, crist got hurt on the last play of that series and things went in the toilet after that.
 

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kelly doesnt defer because we may have the worst pass defense in college football. getting ahead in a game is hugh. very simple. pitt gifted us this game with a terrible qb and stupid game plan. our pass defense is still god awful,and we dont have any corner recruits coming in. hardy is a big time recruit,but he is a safety.
deferring with our pass defense is stupid.the mich game was a perfect example. we took the opening kickoff and went right down the field. the atmosphere was buzzing and confidence was hugh. Unfortunately, crist got hurt on the last play of that series and things went in the toilet after that.

Even if you're right, and we have the worst pass defense in CFB (and you're wrong) your logic makes no sense...scoring early doesn't take away the passing game. On the other hand, getting ahead big early on in both the BC and Pitt games took away their RUNNING games, which probably worked to our advantage (but, again, if our pass defense is that terrible it doesn't).

Anyways, I agree with dshans: it's all mind games and it matters very little. How does taking the ball at the start of one half give you a potential extra possession versus taking the ball in the second half??? CW and Kelly are both offensive minded coaches, they probably have a lot of faith in their game plan, and they like to score to set the tone for the game.
 

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I heard BK answer a different question, but his answer might give some insight into his 'defer' choices. he said time of possesion doesnt really mean that much to him, he would rather put points on the board, then worry about TOP. I got the feeling that BK thinks his offense should be scoring 35+ every game.

maybe he doesnt defer because he is more concerning with 'putting points on the board'
 

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Kelly believes his offense can and should score everytime it has the ball

Kelly believes his offense can and should score everytime it has the ball

so of course he would want the ball everytime he can get it.

I heard BK answer a different question, but his answer might give some insight into his 'defer' choices. he said time of possesion doesnt really mean that much to him, he would rather put points on the board, then worry about TOP. I got the feeling that BK thinks his offense should be scoring 35+ every game.

maybe he doesnt defer because he is more concerning with 'putting points on the board'
 

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kelly doesnt defer because we may have the worst pass defense in college football. getting ahead in a game is hugh. very simple. pitt gifted us this game with a terrible qb and stupid game plan. our pass defense is still god awful,and we dont have any corner recruits coming in. hardy is a big time recruit,but he is a safety.
deferring with our pass defense is stupid.the mich game was a perfect example. we took the opening kickoff and went right down the field. the atmosphere was buzzing and confidence was hugh. Unfortunately, crist got hurt on the last play of that series and things went in the toilet after that.

A. Our pass defense is not the worst in the nation. Stop being so dramatic. Have you seen Michigan's pass defense (120th dead last) and USC's (116th)? Plus, ND has played 6 quality opponents while UM and USC have played a couple terrible teams a piece, just like the rest of the college football world.

Once we play Navy, Western Michigan and Army the Irish passing defense stats will shoot throught the roof. We'll probably move into the 50-60 range nationally...which is to say we're pretty much average back there.

B. We're showing we're a lot better at stopping the run this year, so most teams are going to throw the ball on us a lot more. Seems a lot better than last year when teams could run and pass the ball at will.

C. The problem right now is the play and lack of playmaking ability from the safety position and Elilar Hardy is a great recruit to change that (and possibly another one coming soon.) I don't think our corners are the problem right now, but it's nice to see you already write off Atkinson, Brown, Farley and some of the younger guys like Lo Wood.
 
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That's just part of Kelly's philosophy, score early and score often, which makes the opposing offense have to dump their game plan and make them one dimensional. This philosophy is the main reason that the defense has been good against the run and why Cincinnati was one of the top scoring defenses, a lot of opportunities for pick six's while an opponent tries to keep up.
 

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kelly doesnt defer because we may have the worst pass defense in college football. getting ahead in a game is hugh. very simple. pitt gifted us this game with a terrible qb and stupid game plan. our pass defense is still god awful,and we dont have any corner recruits coming in. hardy is a big time recruit,but he is a safety.
deferring with our pass defense is stupid.the mich game was a perfect example. we took the opening kickoff and went right down the field. the atmosphere was buzzing and confidence was hugh. Unfortunately, crist got hurt on the last play of that series and things went in the toilet after that.

I've got to ask....

Who is this Hugh guy, and what does he have to do with Notre Dame football?
 

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discussing/complaining about whether a coach should kick or receive is about foolish as wondering if he should wear boxers or briefs on gameday...

I apologize for insulting your intelligence with such a stupid thread. My logic in asking the question was based on game plan and strategy. I have noticed a pattern of us not scoring on our opening drives so I thought it might serve us better to defer until the second half and have made some adjustments.

I was not complaining about it at all I was just curious as to what every one else thought.
Sorry for being foolish.

Boxers.
 

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I apologize for insulting your intelligence with such a stupid thread. My logic in asking the question was based on game plan and strategy. I have noticed a pattern of us not scoring on our opening drives so I thought it might serve us better to defer until the second half and have made some adjustments.

I was not complaining about it at all I was just curious as to what every one else thought.
Sorry for being foolish.

Boxers.

I had a coach that picked based on his superstitions.

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He takes the ball because he wants to teams to play from behind against his up-tempo offense. It's one way to approach it. With a defensive coach like Diaco, whose adjustments at halftime have been incredible thus far, it's the right path.

Score first and score often, we'll adjust defensively if you can keep up.

Now, is this offense clicking on that level yet? Hell no. But Kelly has already stated he will not adjust the philosophy.

It hasn't, and it cannot be proved anyway, cost Notre Dame a game yet. So chill.
 

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He takes the ball because he wants to teams to play from behind against his up-tempo offense. It's one way to approach it. With a defensive coach like Diaco, whose adjustments at halftime have been incredible thus far, it's the right path.

Score first and score often, we'll adjust defensively if you can keep up.

Now, is this offense clicking on that level yet? Hell no. But Kelly has already stated he will not adjust the philosophy.

It hasn't, and it cannot be proved anyway, cost Notre Dame a game yet. So chill.

You chill....:violent:
 

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I've got to ask.... Who is this Hugh guy, and what does he have to do with Notre Dame football?

The best I can figure is that he's a college roommate of my son. Hugh is from South Bend. I'm in Minneapolis and they attended college in St. Paul. That's all I have to offer by way of explanation.

Hugh, in fact, was in town this weekend to retrieve some of the stuff he hasn't shipped home just yet. He and m'boyo spent last night roaming about a section of Minneapolis on what's known as The Zombie Pub Crawl. I think they had a good time ... they got back at 3:30 this afternoon.

Hugh's a good guy. He's got tickets for the Utah game and I plan to hit town with my son to take in the campus and the game. I can finally add first hand geography to the stories I've told him about ND over the years.

Oh, and Hugh thinks that the movie "Rudy" is schlock, as do I. I appreciate the film for it's setting and seeing Ted Hesburgh in a cameo role as someone other than himself.
 
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