What Our Offense will see the rest of the year.

[BestBIrish47]

Stanford made an Defensive adjustment early in this game. The went from playing man and bringing pressure to rusing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage. This is very similar to what North Carolina did to Jimmy a couple years ago and it became the scheme teams used against us going forward.


Without a Rushing threat, whether it is QB or RB, and with 3 dlinemen pressuring Crist, and Crist's inability to throw the touch ball so far, this will be the Scheme I am sure we will see.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Boston College did the same thing last season, no?

Notre Dame needs to come out and punch them right in the jaw with a ground game in the red zone. The Eagles will not score many points against Notre Dame's defense, but the offense must covert field goals to touchdowns this week.

 

[BestBIrish47]

Boston College did the same thing last season, no?

Notre Dame needs to come out and punch them right in the jaw with a ground game in the red zone. The Eagles will not score many points against Notre Dame's defense, but the offense must covert field goals to touchdowns this week.

You are correct sir, this is going to force Dayne to be calm in the pocket... step up... and run if needs to.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Stanford made an Defensive adjustment early in this game. The went from playing man and bringing pressure to rusing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage. This is very similar to what North Carolina did to Jimmy a couple years ago and it became the scheme teams used against us going forward.


Without a Rushing threat, whether it is QB or RB, and with 3 dlinemen pressuring Crist, and Crist's inability to throw the touch ball so far, this will be the Scheme I am sure we will see.

Yes you are correct about that North Carolina game. Zone defenses are tough reads for young QB's, especially if the 3 or 4 down linemen consistently get pressure on the QB.

 

[BestBIrish47]

The flip side is the BC is apparently going to start a new QB this week.

Spaziani plans to make change at QB for BC

So hopefully we can flip the script and confuse the new BC starter.

 

[mrmiller8]

Zone defenses are much harder to read for a young quarterback especially when they go from overloading and rushing 5 sometimes 6 to dropping eight even when they show blitz. Stanford did a great job in gameplanning and the scheme that they are running at Stanford is making me really high harbaugh as a collegiate coach. Look for big things from Stanford against oregon this week...should be a great game. new school vs old school....

 

[lookingdeadred]

I find it humorous

I find it humorous

how some here keep referring to Stanford as old school. Some of the things they do are old school, I formation power run game for example, but this is a very sophisticated offense and defense. Stanford is very new school (on both sides of the ball) with some old school elements.

Zone defenses are much harder to read for a young quarterback especially when they go from overloading and rushing 5 sometimes 6 to dropping eight even when they show blitz. Stanford did a great job in gameplanning and the scheme that they are running at Stanford is making me really high harbaugh as a collegiate coach. Look for big things from Stanford against oregon this week...should be a great game. new school vs old school....

 

[mrmiller8]

how some here keep referring to Stanford as old school. Some of the things they do are old school, I formation power run game for example, but this is a very sophisticated offense and defense. Stanford is very new school (on both sides of the ball) with some old school elements.

Very true, I wouldn't say they are completely old school. But they are rough and tough bunch of guys. They have a guy that plays both ways at FB and LB. They do line up in I a lot....which you really don't see it as much anymore with a lot of the spread teams. Im not saying they are lining in single wing and dont know what the forward pass is. They play true power football and are good at it! So much is emphasized on scheme today and stanford just hits you in mouth on offense and runs it down your throat and then throws over you with what the three Tight Ends that they play with....find me a team in the country that lines up with two tight ends over 50% of the time.....Then I may not refer to them as oldschool....Bottom line they hit the irish in the mouth a lot harder than they could handle.

 

[mgriff]

I think they are the blend of old school and new school created to take down the dominance of the spread in CFB.

 

[Merlin]

You could count on one hand the times Crist has run the option and kept it himself, until Crist can prove he can move the chains with his legs, everyone will use Stanford's blue print, drop 8, drop 8 etc, etc.

 

[Irish Man3]

BK will not let Crist run the ball. Why? Rewatch the Michigan game.

 

[IrishinSyria]

BK will not let Crist run the ball. Why? Rewatch the Michigan game.

That takes out the 3rd dimension of BK's offense and renders it very predictable and very stoppable. I know Crist is valuable to this team and maybe even a little bit tender, but if he can't run teams are going to be able to tee up on him in the backfield. The option read is a slow-developing hand off if there's no option for the QB to keep.

 

[Irish Man3]

I understand that. The proper question in my mind is why we would run the option read if there is only one option. Until BK releases Crist that play is pointless and very ineffective.

 

[BestBIrish47]

With out the Secondary Option available... it is simply just a Zone play. Defenses are going to crash down everytime they see playside flow by our Oline.... we have to have a secondary option...even if it is flipping the ball into the slot via Theo... this is hurting our running game big time. Even our Play action off of it isn't going to be as tough to defend.... I would love to see Goodman running it with some deep throws.

 

[mgriff]

Pike wasn't really a threat to run and Cinci did pretty darn well last year. While a mobile quarterback's presence in this offense increases its threat exponentially, it's not required. I would love to see a mobile quarterback to run the read option, but we can have a great offense without one. I just think Crist doesn't have the experience as a college quarterback or in the offense, so we aren't as formidable.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think we'll see the same thing we saw against Boston College last year.

They dropped 8 and rushed 3. We then picked them apart with five yard out routes and five yard hitch routes. They couldn't do a thing to stop them. I think we'll see a thousand outs and hitches in the coming weeks.

 

[Rack Em]

They dropped 8 and rushed 3. We then picked them apart with five yard out routes and five yard hitch routes. They couldn't do a thing to stop them. I think we'll see a thousand outs and hitches in the coming weeks.

What about giving Hughes some touches if BC comes out and drops 8 in coverage? He doesn't exactly fit in to Kelly's scheme (as noted in countless threads here) but he's the bruiser that could help us establish a run game early. Again, that's not Kelly's style, but establishing Hughes early would likely force BC to put at least 7 in the box and get away from zone coverage.

 

[jason_h537]

Watching the game i remember seeing TJ open alot, Crist is not making all his reads, hopefully it was a learning experience

 

[Merlin]

Pike wasn't really a threat to run and Cinci did pretty darn well last year. While a mobile quarterback's presence in this offense increases its threat exponentially, it's not required. I would love to see a mobile quarterback to run the read option, but we can have a great offense without one. I just think Crist doesn't have the experience as a college quarterback or in the offense, so we aren't as formidable.

Your right regarding Pike's rushing ability, but until Crist has the years that Pike had in the system, we/he need's every edge available?

That aside, how does the read option help our RB's if everytime we run it, they get the ball!?!

 

[mgriff]

Your right regarding Pike's rushing ability, but until Crist has the years that Pike had in the system, we/he need's every edge available?

That aside, how does the read option help our RB's if everytime we run it, they get the ball!?!

I'm not really too sure where you're going with this. I said the reason our offense isn't as formidable is because Crist doesn't have a lot of experience in it, which is leading to our problems that we see now. We can't have Crist run the option right now because of the dramatic drop-off in ability at the position. Our offense without the threat of a QB run on the Read Option is better than any alternative if said QB who can't run the ball is off the field.

There is no point in running the Read Option if Crist isn't going to keep it, so that's probably why we saw the "Leprechaun" this week. Now they need to run, and convert, the pass play that is inevitably in the "Leprechaun" package, so teams will respect the pass, although marginally.

 

[donnie hoss]

The way to beat a 3 man front and zone play is to run quick hitters between the guards. Double the nose, should be able to get 5 or 6 yards often. This will cause the LBS to cheat up, opening the middle of the field. Most DCs will only allow this to happen for a short time before making changes to stop the run. Of course this only works if the Oline can handle the nose, and the runner hits the hole with purpose. I know this sounds simple, it really is that simple. I say let Crist run the option at least a few times during the 1st few series. This will help also. I think the risk of injury is an evil we must live with.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think the risk of injury is an evil we must live with.

Unfortunately, I think this is right. If we don't establish a running game, teams will be able to hit Crist in the backfield. At least when he runs the ball he can slide or lower his shoulder. And unless we start lining up under center (or in a pistol!) Crist running the ball is essential to having a running game.

 

[donnie hoss]

I agree IrishinSyria. We should call a few "safe" running plays for Christ. What is really important is the chance that he may run at any time. Just the chance that he will run takes away many of the backside defenders from the area that we want to run the football. I think we have reached the point of play to win the games, or play to keep Christ healthy for next season. I would hate to make that call. BK will make the right call. I think he has had enough of losing. His hand is sort of forced at this point.

 

[donnie hoss]

Also maybe try Goodman in the Leprecaun and allow him to throw the football now and again. Dont know til you try.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I disagree. Stanford did drop 8 from time to time, but if you watch, a lot of it was zone blitzing schemes that killed us.

 

[donnie hoss]

No zone blitz, they didnt zone blitz out of the 3 man front. They ran a straight blitz with the LB.(cant remember his name, the one that was offsides). They rushed 3 and brought the backer from the split end side all game. They did run the ZB, but most of the time from a 4 man front. Im only talking about the 3 man front. If the D ZB's or straight blitz the LB, they had better guess right or the safety will lead the team in tkls. We lived this for the last few seasons. Just think about it. Maybe its time for us to turn the tables and do unto others. Lord, I dont know. Maybe Im reaching for straws, but somethings got to give. I think we will be ok in the long run, but Im having trouble sleeping with all of this playing in my head. I have faith but it sure is more fun winning.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

Some incredibly good points here. I think the way to beat any defense is simple blocking. Until the Irish can win the battle up front, it doesn't matter what we, or they do. Crist had no time when Stanford brought 3. A young QB can pick apart that drop 8 cover 3 with time. It all starts up front.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.