How would you grade Kelly's coaching debut?

[IrishJayhawk]

But you need to define you room for improvement relative to how you would have and have done better. I have met far too many college profs with that same attitude, and they are a farce. They begrudgingly gave me an A because they had no other choice other than get sued or lose their job.

I would not have done better. Not even a little.

My grade inflation comment was just kind of a joke. Don't use that as fodder to complain about college professors. I find most of them to be good people.

Overall, I think that we were better than we have been for a long time in a number of phases of the game. Special teams were outstanding (except for Turk)...that was new. We did enough to win.

We still didn't dominate the game. The safety was a missed assignment or two...is that on coaches or players? I don't know. It's probably tough to know. We had a few fumbles. Is that coaching? Also tough to know. What about Marve's scrambling...is that a breakdown of assignment? We didn't seem to finish drives very well. Ruffer is a positive, but why did we have to settle for 3 FGs?

I can't comment on scheme or anything like that. I always thought we would win the game. Didn't ever seem to be in doubt. That's a plus.

My overall point is this...we'll see. If Purdue turns out to be a very good team, it's an A. Based on my feel (with little breakdown of game film), I give a solid B. That's all.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Where did he lose a half a point?

The SAFETY ???
3 Fumbles
etc, etc, etc

Did you go to Stanford and get participation credit for enrolling?

As many have pointed out, overall there was significant improvement from recent years. But considerably more still to get to an "A".

Kelly didn't lose the ball or miss the blocks but HIS guys did.

The safety. OK. There is finally something legit. But on a test with 200 questions, to miss 2 is hardly worth an A-. That makes it a mid A. But BGIF, please call me a Montana or Georgetown wannabe, rather than a Stanford thing. It hurts my feelings and puts a frown on my face.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I would not have done better. Not even a little.

...

My overall point is this...we'll see. If Purdue turns out to be a very good team, it's an A. Based on my feel (with little breakdown of game film), I give a solid B. That's all.

And that is my point. The question was asked, how did BK do TODAY. Not how will he pan out.

You should have no choice but to give him an A.

 

[tankjeep]

No grade inflation. Requiring a body of work for a single test where someone aced it and lowering his score is exactly what I am talking about with arrogance of teachers.

One test. One grade. There will be other tests where you can grade individually. And give an A- or an F. Then you average all and get the final grade. This time, Kelly receives an A.

Anyone scoring less than an A needs to justify beyond, "yeah but, let's see what he does later..."

preach it brotha. he gets an "A" in my book. just to get the boys over the late game hump is justification enough. i felt like we were about to pack it in & our play stepped up to close the deal. well done.

 

[Junkhead]

I will give Kelly a B on the Purdue game. D was better, O was decent for having a new QB starter, and two new Tackles. It would be an A from me it not for the awkward 3rd quarter after the fumble when I scanned the sidelines for CW. After so many years of up and downs, we have to learn to trust our coach, it will take at least a few more games. I have no doubt he will exceed expectations in the long run, but for game 1, grade B.

 

[BGIF]

The safety. OK. There is finally something legit. But on a test with 200 questions, to miss 2 is hardly worth an A-. That makes it a mid A. But BGIF, if you want to insult me, please call me a Montana or Georgetown wannabe, rather than a Stanford thing. It hurts my feelings and puts a frown on my face.

Showin' up is a California mark of excellence, I was just relatin' with Stanford's locale (and yours) and their Pass/Fail mindset.

I can list a lot more than two and so can you. It was a good performance COMPARED to what we've seen on the field in recent years. But it wasn't "A" ball.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Showin' up is a California mark of excellence, I was just relatin' with Stanford's locale (and yours) and their Pass/Fail mindset.

I can list a lot more than two and so can you. It was a good performance COMPARED to what we've seen on the field in recent years. But it wasn't "A" ball.

Dammit.

 

[tankjeep]

Dammit.

don't worry....

you can be my huckleberry.....teehee. i kid.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I will give Kelly a B on the Purdue game. D was better, O was decent for having a new QB starter, and two new Tackles. It would be an A from me it not for the awkward 3rd quarter after the fumble when I scanned the sidelines for CW. After so many years of up and downs, we have to learn to trust our coach, it will take at least a few more games. I have no doubt he will exceed expectations in the long run, but for game 1, grade B.

And there you go too. Adding to my point.
(I'm just goofin around folks. Nothing personal at all. Just havin some fun with some great posters from around the country and gathering thoughts...)

 

[tankjeep]

And there you go too. Adding to my point. It is beyond you and any previous effort on your part, and you are grading someone on what might happen based on your own fears and lack of trust. You can't grade a guy based on your own neurosis.

(I'm just goofin around folks. Nothing personal at all. Just havin some fun with some great posters from around the country and gathering thoughts...)

preach it......er, bro....nevermind. i already said. that........

tough crowd.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Err I just did... I *AM* a kool-aid guy and I still say a B. When you get 100% on a test that means you did everything you were supposed to do and earned it. If you don't do 100% that means you have earned less. This team will need a few games to get the crispness in it while functioning under fire. Winning Saturday will move me a lot more towards the B+ to A side.

Sigh. OK teacher. Let me ask you a simple question. Forget what will happen tomorrow. How did he do on the test today? Drop the sordid past, and the unreasonable predictions for the future .

How did he perform on the one test that was given to him?

 

[tankjeep]

Sigh. OK teacher. Let me ask you a simple question. Forget what will happen tomorrow. How did he do on the test today? Drop the ego, the sordid past, and the unreasonable predictions for the future which even you admit you have not attained.

How did he perform on the one test that was given to him?

how do you grade on the presence with what you expect to see in the future?

btw TECH is taking it to boise.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

how do you grade on the presence with what you expect to see in the future?

btw TECH is taking it to boise.

Thank you. And that is what so many base their grade on.

But Boise is getting the ball back. Let's go Boise!

 

[tankjeep]

Thank you. And that is what so many base their grade on.

But Boise is getting the ball back. Let's go Boise!

what an effin game!!!!!

 

[tankjeep]

i've got two buds that went to tech and are at the game. boy are they pissed right now.

 

[IrishinSyria]

It wasn't a bad play call, there were two ND offensive linemen that both missed their assignments.From the one yard line there arent that many plays that can be called, so no the call wasnt the problem.

Nobody seemed to have a problem with blaming the coach for missed blocks and fumbles at the one yard line last year.


Which is what scares me. Purdue was blah, they never really looked like a threat. Even when they were playing well they weren't putting pressure on us in the secondary. Against a better team we can't afford to put the ball on the ground 3 times in one game or give up a safety because we ran a play we almost never run out of on the goal line (Crist could not have lined up under center more than 4 times all game) or waste opportunities to score. Granted, most of this isn't on Kelly, but if we're maintaining ND standards, everything is on Kelly.


B+ from me.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Nobody seemed to have a problem with blaming the coach for missed blocks and fumbles at the one yard line last year.


Which is what scares me. Purdue was blah, they never really looked like a threat. Even when they were playing well they weren't putting pressure on us in the secondary. Against a better team we can't afford to put the ball on the ground 3 times in one game or give up a safety because we ran a play we almost never run out of on the goal line (Crist could not have lined up under center more than 4 times all game) or waste opportunities to score. Granted, most of this isn't on Kelly, but if we're maintaining ND standards, everything is on Kelly.

B+ from me.

ND standards are 16-21 in the last 3 years. Kelly is 1-0 in his first test. Undefeated. Grade him on today. Tomorrow we can give another grade.

 

[IrishinSyria]

ND standards are 16-21 in the last 3 years. Kelly is 1-0 in his first test. Undefeated. Grade him on today. Tomorrow we can give another grade.

I did. B+. Solid performance against a mediocre team, with mistakes. Not all his mistakes, but if you're the head editor of the New York Times (best of the best) all mistakes in your paper are on you.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I did. B+. Solid performance against a mediocre team, with mistakes. Not all his mistakes, but if you're the head editor of the New York Times (best of the best) all mistakes in your paper are on you.

How do you know they played a mediocre team?

 

[jason_h537]

B-

Good win
Definitely see improvemnets in areas
still have lots of room to improve

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

B-

Good win
Definitely see improvemnets in areas
still have lots of room to improve

Still no justification for your grade. OK, and it is now beddy time.

 

[jason_h537]

i dont just hand out A+. A solid win with improvemnet but its not like it was night and day from last year. We won in September under Weis. When we start blowing guys out and putting teams away in November the grade will go up

 

[IrishinSyria]

Still no justification for your grade, nor what you have done relative to that grade to justify it. Oh well. I already spoke to mommy long distance to see if she is OK, and she is doing OK, and it is now beddy time.

Well, don't want to keep you up, but I'll give you my justification for B+.
First of all, the conditions.

1) In a Pass-Fail System, Kelly receives a Pass. Maybe even a High Pass if they exist.
2) In a letter system, any grade from a D- to an A+ is a "Pass". Therefore, Win or Lose is not enough to dictate grade.
3) Let us say that an A- or over represent excellence, with an A+ representing a level of perfection so complete that it is, for all practical purposes, unattainable.
4) Finally, let us say that, based on the criticism of CW and other coaches in recent years, the coach is responsible for all mistakes made on the field, no matter how much it seems like it should be the players responsibility.


So, with my grading criteria set, lets review the game:

Win. That's the most important criteria right there. 50/50

Turnovers. Forced 2 gave up 1. BUT we also fumbled two more times. This is acceptable, but if we're trying for perfection ND can not be putting the ball on the ground like that. C+ 6.5/10

Offense. For the most part, got the job done. That being said, points were left on the field. B+ 12/15

Defense. Very good, but not perfect. Seemed vulnerable to the short pass, especially when the QB was rolling out. Lots of confusion (probably on the part of Brian Smith, but tough to know without knowing the play call) on the TD. A- 13/15

Special Teams. Excellent. Good coverage, excellent field goals, very good returns. A 9/10


Overall, that comes out to a 90.5/100. Thats B+/A- territory. If this was Navy, I would lean towards A-. As it is, ND comes with higher expectations and it comes out B+.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

i dont just hand out A+. A solid win with improvemnet but its not like it was night and day from last year. We won in September under Weis. When we start blowing guys out and putting teams away in November the grade will go up

But who are you to say, if you have never reached your own criteria?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You guys are silly.

 

[JughedJones]

I feel he earned a solid B as well.

If it wasn't for the safety which was the fault of a HORRIBLE play call the game could have very well been decided a lot earlier than it was.

I just want to go against a decent opponent and feel like the game is won when it should be, no more letting these jerkoffs hang around.

That being said I feel he did a fantastic job otherwise, just needs to close it out earlier. Good game, good win.

 

[irish4ever]

A- as well this team should have won 27-3 some of the people need to realize this when they make there ND-UM picks, D looked amazing, O had some kinks that will be worked out

D was amazing except for the Boiler TD run. They were so far out of position that he could have WALKED in.

 

[mick2]

A+, if we win we get an A+, if we lose we get an F-.

Simple as that, and whats with all of you people saying i dont give out an A easily! and next week is the real test.

Give me a break! All of you guys were clamoring for Kelly, and now that you've got him you're all "oh well lets see...."

BS jump in with both feet if you're the fan you say you are, and cheer when we win, drink heavily if we lose and for Gods sake be a man damnit!!

 

[RDU Irish]

A-

Syria sums it up pretty well a few posts back IMO but I give a bump to A- for defensive improvement and good game management. Half a dozen 10+ yard runs are another reason for extra credit.

Kelly took the blame for the safety in post game, saying the missed assignments are all on the coaches.

Across the board I just felt like players were put in a position to succeed.

 

[bigedefense]

I have to say he gets an A. I too am a teacher, so I give out subjective grades from time to time. Most all teachers are guilty of doing that if they care about the student. If a student works hard and tries, I will look for things to give bonus points for. Now I know there are some that will say that is not fair and teachers should be objective, all black and white and no gray area, but life is lived in the gray area. I have found that giving a student a few bonus points here and there encourages them to acheive more than they thought they were capable of doing. Back to Coach Kelly. We did have a mind fart for a couple of series and gave up some points to make the game close when it should have been put away. I agree 100% that it shouldn't have happened, BUT, the difference in this team (and the reason I gave bonus points) was the coaching staff was prepared and the team tightened their belt and pulled out a victory. We would have lost that game last year IMO. We could not overcome a big momentum swing like we did Saturday. So, I give the grade of A. Like mick 2 said, "we won so we get an A"! Hell, I think it will do the players good. They know now that they can overcome a team that has the momentum. A side note...I thought that the backup QB looked pretty good and I was proud that he didn't play after that one series. His dad is my assistant Superintendent, so I saw him play before his dad put him in private school in Florida, so I might be a little biased.