Dayne Crist's scrambling ability

[GoingGreen]

Crist certainly seems to be a better scrambler then Clausen, as he showed against Purdue, and last year Kelly's offense seemed to have the quarterback running quite a bit.

Do you think his running ability will play a big part in Kelly's offense?

 

[kmoose]

Crist certainly seems to be a better scrambler then Clausen, as he showed against Purdue, and last year Kelly's offense seemed to have the quarterback running quite a bit.

Do you think his running ability will play a big part in Kelly's offense?

Nah, I think they will probably use Crist as more of a pocket passer.

Here's your sign........

 

[mgriff]

It is ideal to have a dual threat, but I think initially, at least, that he will keep the running to a minimum. As has been stated ad nauseum, Crist is too important to the offense to have him getting hurt. A few key running plays during the first couple weeks is all I expect. Now my analysis can easily be refuted as Kelly said himself he won't coach scared. I think that the drop off in talent is significant enough to make him use Crist as efficiently as possible, however, and only call or have Crist run on a few plays when the opportune time arises.

 

[Riddickulous]

It would be too risky to try and use Dayne as a dual-threat, mainly because of his knee, but also because if he goes down we're absolutely screwed.

 

[BGIF]

Crist certainly seems to be a better scrambler then Clausen, as he showed against Purdue, and last year Kelly's offense seemed to have the quarterback running quite a bit.

Crist definitely was the better scrambler right up to tearing up his knee - running the football! Did you miss that part of last season? Where he missed half the season? Seriously?

Right now the #1 QB has 38 minutes of career PT. The #2 QB couldn't crack the starting lineup at Pasadena Community College. And when he played, he completed 35% of his passes against Community College players not Div 1 DBs. The 2A, 2B, and 2C or however you want to number them haven't seen played a snap in a game, JUCO or otherwise.

Why would an intelligent coach with a herd of talented receivers and a running game he has publicly stated he's happy with, risk his one and only QB runnig the ball?

Do you think his running ability will play a big part in Kelly's offense?

Do you listen to Kelly's press conferences or read any of the articles written about them? Kelly's addressed it at a press conference and it's has been discussed here.

His offense at UC ate up QBs. The QBs take a lot of hits. In '08 Grutza broke his leg in a game. Pike than broke his non throwing arm. Collaros replaced him. Pike returned playing with a plate in his arm. Pike started '09 and got injured. Collaros replaced him. Anderson also played. His QBs last season, when they went undefeated, had experience in his system. Not one of ND's QBs in 2010 do, including Crist.

By next Spring Kelly will have all 5 QBs ready to run his UC offense. He doesn't have the luxury of that time. Kelly stated this summer he won't call plays being scared. And I'll add to that neither is he going to become suddenly stupid and risk his only QB.

 

[Rocket89]

Kelly also said in his press conference that they won't played scared with the offense and with Dayne.

The offense won't run as effectively if Crist isn't running the ball at least once in a while to keep teams' honest. That doesn't mean I think he'll be carrying the ball 10+ times a game, but I think we'll see two or three per game to start the season.

Most importantly, Crist will be able to scamper for big third down conversions a la Brady Quinn. This is going to help tremendously. If Crist is the quarterback last year against USC, he runs it in himself and the game is tied.

I think we have to get ready for the fact that Crist is going to run a little bit and get hit.

 

[BGIF]

Kelly also said in his press conference that they won't played scared with the offense and with Dayne. ...

See next to last sentence in prior post.

 

[Big23Head]

Correct me if I am wrong but Cincy did not really run Pike that much anyway. It really started when Collaros took over. I think Dayne will be mobile and pick up yardage but not necessarily asked to do so on a lot of called plays.

 

[Rocket89]

See next to last sentence in prior post.

Right, you confused me because you stated that, but then went on to say that Kelly basically will run the offense scared because he doesn't want Crist to get hurt.

 

[GoingGreen]

Crist definitely was the better scrambler right up to tearing up his knee - running the football! Did you miss that part of last season? Where he missed half the season? Seriously?

Right now the #1 QB has 38 minutes of career PT. The #2 QB couldn't crack the starting lineup at Pasadena Community College. And when he played, he completed 35% of his passes against Community College players not Div 1 DBs. The 2A, 2B, and 2C or however you want to number them haven't seen played a snap in a game, JUCO or otherwise.

Why would an intelligent coach with a herd of talented receivers and a running game he has publicly stated he's happy with, risk his one and only QB runnig the ball?


Do you listen to Kelly's press conferences or read any of the articles written about them? Kelly's addressed it at a press conference and it's has been discussed here.

His offense at UC ate up QBs. The QBs take a lot of hits. In '08 Grutza broke his leg in a game. Pike than broke his non throwing arm. Collaros replaced him. Pike returned playing with a plate in his arm. Pike started '09 and got injured. Collaros replaced him. Anderson also played. His QBs last season, when they went undefeated, had experience in his system. Not one of ND's QBs in 2010 do, including Crist.

By next Spring Kelly will have all 5 QBs ready to run his UC offense. He doesn't have the luxury of that time. Kelly stated this summer he won't call plays being scared. And I'll add to that neither is he going to become suddenly stupid and risk his only QB.

BGIF, I assumed Crist's knee was healed, and I know injuries like that can always come back. But, I also assumed Crist was a good running quarterback, and that he would have to run to be in Kelly's offense. A few weeks ago I picked up the Maple Street Press' "Here Come the Irish" in the Hammes Book Store. In the quarterback section it said this:

Crist not only will have to quickly adapt to the collegiate passing game, but the additional running responsibilites for a quarterback in the Kelly spread offense.

I also thought that Rees was competing for the 2nd string quarterback job becuase he ran the ball well, something which Montana doesn't. This furthered my idea that QB's have to run the ball in Kelly's offense. Because of all this, I though Crist would have scramble a bit this season.

 

[ARALOU]

It was his knee? Why was I thinking achilles tendon?

 

[GoingGreen]

He tore his ACL, which is a ligament of the knee.

 

[BGIF]

Right, you confused me because you stated that, but then went on to say that Kelly basically will run the offense scared because he doesn't want Crist to get hurt.

Here are the two sentences in context.

Kelly stated this summer he won't call plays being scared. And I'll add to that neither is he going to become suddenly stupid and risk his only QB

Being prudent doesn't make one scared. It's not about testosterone; it's about common sense.

Risk analysis is a technique to identify and assess factors that may jeopardize the success of a project or achieving a goal. This technique also helps to define preventive measures to reduce the probability of these factors from occurring and identify countermeasures to successfully deal with these constraints when they develop to avert possible negative effects on the competitiveness of the company.

Losing Floyd would be severe loss but there's a stable of WRs on the team.
Losing Rudolph would hurt but there's at least 2 TEs with the size, strength, and talent to start.
Losing Allen would hurt the running game but there's a stable of RBs and Riddick could play there is needed.
There's only 4 CBs on the team but you only play 2 at time.
There is NO QB ready to step in and run the offense effectively.

IF Crist goes down on Sept 4th, Dillingham enters the game.

2002 ring any bells? The BC game. Holiday gets his bell rung. ND committed multiple fumbles in the game. Dillingham added 2 ints. ND winds up in the Gator Bowl where Holiday gets injured early and Dillingham again was forced into a game.


An isolated occurence, try 1998, Jarious Jackson gets injured on the last play of the LSU game. ND goes to LA and Eric Chappell and Arnez Battle can't move the Irish in a 10- 0 loss. The Irish go to the Gator Bowl and a still not fully recovered Jackson can't run the option. GT knew it and on option plays keyed on the RB. Jarious was gutty but not effective. He run for a key 4th and one conversion and scored on a short run. He carried 12 times for 12 yds.


In '66 when Hanratty went down against MSU, in The Game of The Century, Coley O'Brien was neither a walkon nor a freshman.

As I noted in another post by the end of Spring Ball in 2011 Kelly will have trained backups familiar with his system and with the head, arm, and feet to do so. He does not have them NOW.

Crist is NOT going to play in a tutu or red jersey, nor out of a pocket 7 yds deep with the 2 TEs and the RB kept in to block (that would only be a result of lousy OLine play). Kelly has a multitude of other offensive weapons without risking the entire season rushing the QB.