Nate Montana and 7 other players cited for underage drinking

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There should be no suspensions unless the players were leaving floaters or nursing their beers. If you want to go to a prohibition school go to BYU. The police need to understand what side their bread is buttered. This program pays their check.
 

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I guess my question is, I have not heard about drinking in your own house or in a private location, party or not, against the law. I thought it was just the purchase.


No, I believe it is possession or consumption. Against the law sure, agenda driven garbage also sure.
 

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Well, this also from Wiki:

"The legal drinking age refers to the earliest age that an individual is legally allowed to buy alcoholic beverages, which may be different from the age at which they may be permitted to drink alcohol, especially in the privacy of their home."

Hell I don't know.

But I'm thinking about inviting this 19 year old vixen over for a few... never mind...
 

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This is one reason why I'm glad I went to Wabash. Wet campus. We also had an agreement with the local police. Keep it on campus, don't be too loud, and we won't bother you. IF you go bar crawling in the city and then make an ass out of yourself, you're fair game.
 

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This is one reason why I'm glad I went to Wabash. Wet campus. We also had an agreement with the local police. Keep it on campus, don't be too loud, and we won't bother you. IF you go bar crawling in the city and then make an ass out of yourself, you're fair game.

That's almost the exact same as ND. I'm missing the point.
 

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That's almost the exact same as ND. I'm missing the point.

Apparently the cops responded to a call about a fight. I am all too aware of the nature of many a pig. I don't see the need to arrest 44 people. Overkill. Bullying by the pigs. Maybe South Bend needs the cash.
 
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Sorry to inject some actual news into this bitch thread.

From the SBT

'Pandemonium'
South Bend police said they were dispatched to the neighborhood at 1:41 a.m. on the report of about a dozen people fighting, throwing punches near the corner of Washington and Eddy streets, one block north of Jefferson Boulevard.
Upon arrival, officers heard glass breaking from the back of the residence and immediately called for more units. South Bend police said pandemonium began to occur, with numerous men and women jumping out of windows and off the roof of the residence.

Excise Police officers arrived at 1:53 a.m., according to a news release, and 15 or more South Bend police officers left their patrol beats from across the city to assist and catch people who were fleeing, police said.

After about an hour, when the chaos was under control, police said they began gathering, arresting and transporting underage people to the county jail.

South Bend police said the residence is a frequent destination for police dispatches. Several arrests were previously made at the address for underage drinking, narcotics, resisting law enforcement, and attempt to disarm a police officer.

South Bend fire and medics also were called to the house for a woman who cut her arm while breaking a window, trying to get out of the house. She was taken to Memorial Hospital, the news release from Excise Police said. Several other people fled the scene and were not caught, police said.

Redman said bond was set at $150 for each person arrested.

All 44 people arrested had bonded out of the county jail by Saturday afternoon. They are due in court July 30, Redman said.

The article makes no mention of whether the fight was related to the party.

I'll raise the scenario that it wasn't. Two independent events that overlapped.


Picture somebody at the party or going to the party sees the police cars converge a block away, assumes it a raid about to happen, entered the party house and screamed, "RAID! THERE'S COPS EVERYWHERE!" . And like the old TV commerical, those at preceived risk (half to most at the party) scrambled in all directions. Police then reponded to the distrubance taking place from a 50 to 100 or so party goers making a panicked exit simultaneously from a limited number of exits (probably a front and back door). Glass breaks, the cops assuming the fight is spreading or more widespread than the corner their on prudently call for backup.

Apparently when there's alcohol and a group of underage people involved it's S.O.P. to call the Indiana Excise Police, hence their arrival a few minutes later. They have a website which explains their charge, one of which is underage drinking (blame it on the legislature and governor). They also have a list of press releases from busts made on parties around the state. Sorry conspiracy theorists, ND wasn't singled out.

And if you go to the SBT article you'll find that THEY identified members of the Hockey team, Cross Country, Fencing, Rowing (??), Swimming, and Track and Field, other ND sports teams besides Fotball and Basketball. SBT seems to have compared the arrest record with an ND Student Directory. There may have been enough athlete to have an All Sports banquets.

The party was off campus in downtown South Bend. That is the jurisdiction of the SBPD. If alcohol and underage people are involved it is also the jurisdiction of the IEP. And given the description SBT reports a warrant isn't required. The cops responded to a disturbance which apparently lead to another and they responded there as well.
 
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From BGIF: "Sorry to inject some acutal news into this bitch thread."

I don't know about this being a "bitch" thread, but just because the SBT quotes the cop report does not make anything factual whatsoever.

NOT FACTUAL WHATSOEVER.


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From BGIF: "Sorry to inject some acutal news into this bitch thread."

I don't know about this being a "bitch" thread, but just because the SBT quotes the cop report does not make anything factual whatsoever.

NOT FACTUAL WHATSOEVER.


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Feel free to quote were I wrote "factual", I noted "news". The reader can make his own determination.

The SBT article is actually about the incident as opposed to posts based on anacedtoal axe grinding whinning about a ticket for parking on the wrong side of the street, or another post about the campus cops which weren't involved, or ...

There is information available.
 

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Some of us pigs did not become pigs so we could arrest under age college drinking at parties. Some of us actually became pigs so we could deal with problems that largely effect our society. I know that sounds crazy but it's true.
 

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I knew the use of the word "pig" would draw a response. Are you aware of Indiana law and are you in fact an officer? What state? My question is, is it illegal for someone less than 21 years old to drink alcohol in a private location?

BGIF, a news report based on a police report is ... never mind...
 

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Feel free to quote were I wrote "factual", I noted "news". The reader can make his own determination.

The SBT article is actually about the incident as opposed to posts based on anacedtoal axe grinding whinning about a ticket for parking on the wrong side of the street, or another post about the campus cops which weren't involved, or ...

There is information available.

Dude... I know you're a community mod here and everything and I'm new... but over the past week this is at least the third or fourth time something you've posted has been pretty jerky. I don't understand where all the hate is coming from and I don't think anyone was "whining."
 

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I knew the use of the word "pig" would draw a response. Are you aware of Indiana law and are you in fact an officer? What state? My question is, is it illegal for someone less than 21 years old to drink alcohol in a private location?

BGIF, a news report based on a police report is ... never mind...

Yes, in Wisconsin you can drink in your home with parent's consent. I am 100% sure of this. Most states are not like that though.
 
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This kinda stuff is hurts recruiting.

This kinda stuff is hurts recruiting.

If your last names Montana and your in Southbend should you get special treatment ? Friggin right you should. Look earn your grades , Earn your spot on team, and respect the school and people in it. What kinda stupid campus police looked at his I.D. and arrested him ? Joe Montana's kid can't a free pass at Notre Dame for underage age drinking. You can break up a party without arresting people.If the kids take a swing , Hurt a female or another person arrest them. God , this really bothers me . Trying to bring this program back from the dead and they are arresting the greastest QB of all times kid in South bend.Gross man gross.
 
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If your last names Montana and your in Southbend should you get special treatment ? Friggin right you should. Look earn your grades , Earn your spot on team, and respect the school and people in it. What kinda stupid campus police looked at his I.D. and arrested him ? Joe Montana's kid can't a free pass at Notre Dame for underage age drinking. You can break up a party without arresting people.If the kids take a swing , Hurt a female or another person arrest them. God , this really bothers me . Trying to bring this program back from the dead and they are arresting the greastest QB of all times kid in South bend.Gross man gross.

Alabama got sanctioned some year ago for State Troopers fixing tickets for players. The NCAA calls it an "Extra Benefit". Auburn got nailed by the NCAA for the QB coach signing for the release of a QB arrested on a firearms charge ("but it's a second Amenment rit")

BTW, Alabama and Indiana are two of the 8 states where it illegal for minors to consume or possess alcohol - anywhere. Plus a number of Bama counties are Dry and most ban Sunday sales. (Ya have to buy your beer on Sunday at the bait store along with a bag of wigglers. Losing Saban would hurt Bama's recruiting not the alcohol laws.


And once again. The incident took place OFF CAMPUS.
 

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Alabama got sanctioned some year ago for State Troopers fixing tickets for players. The NCAA calls it an "Extra Benefit". Auburn got nailed by the NCAA for the QB coach signing for the release of a QB arrested on a firearms charge ("but it's a second Amenment rit")

BTW, Alabama and Indiana are two of the 8 states where it illegal for minors to consume or possess alcohol - anywhere. Plus a number of Bama counties are Dry and most ban Sunday sales. (Ya have to buy your beer on Sunday at the bait store along with a bag of wigglers. Losing Saban would hurt Bama's recruiting not the alcohol laws.


And once again. The incident took place OFF CAMPUS.

That's what I've been asking. Thanks for the info Boss.
 

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Now that the whole law of the state of indiana has been cleared up, and the fact that I have had some time to actually sit back and think about this, the players just flat out shouldnt have been where they were and drinking since they were "underage". I do not agree with the age limit, never have, but the law is the law.

These players have too much to lose to put themselves in situations like this. I dont likely see suspensions coming from this, as i believe for all of the players involved it is a 1st time offense. Also res life did recently have its leader (prez, dean, head, whatever) retire, and he evidently was known to be overally harsh. Hopefully they learn their lesson, with some good help from Longo as most expect, and that will be the end of it. Im sure the info will be out soon after the court hearing on what the punishment from res life will be.
 

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That's what I've been asking. Thanks for the info Boss.
I've read the Indiana Statues but I can't find the appropriate pieces to cite you. Like most statues they don't read easily.

Here's a site by a Californai nonprofit group that list the significant aspects of drinking laws across the nation. They seem to be neutral in presenting information that being part of one side or the other of an issue.

41 States That Allow Underage (under 21) Alcohol Consumption - Drinking Age - ProCon.org

Indiana: Underage consumption of alcohol is prohibited with no exceptions.

I think most every state has an Alcoholic Beverage Commission type group that licenses breweries, wineriers, bars, restarurants and has inspectors or agents to handle licensing compliance. Drinking law enforcement in many states are handled by local jurisdictions. Indiana has a separate police force the Excise Police which is actually changed with maintaining morals it says so in their mission statement and in the statute. They apparently started out as revenuers. The applicable Indiana statutes were rewritten in 2008 to incoporate new Federal Law (see below).

The Indiana State Excise Police (ISEP) website ISEP: Enforcement Efforts
lists their history, locations (throught the state), new releases of the "busts" like the Little 500 at IU, Ball St, Indiana St, etc. They apparently get around.

One of the programs they run is:

SUDS (Stop Underage Drinking & Sales)

SUDS is a federally funded program that pays officers overtime for working details where there is a high concentration of underage drinking. The primary goal of SUDS is to reduce the acquisition of alcoholic beverages by those individuals who are not legally entitled to possess them. By reducing access to alcoholic beverages through education and enforcement, the number of young individuals who will be injured or killed can be greatly reduced.

I didn't realize there was such a program. Turns out it's a Federal Law, Sober Truth On Preventing Underage Drinking, signed by Bush in 2006, sponsored by some 85 Congresspersons and Senators, was widely supported on both sides of the aisle, and had the support of numerous medical and health groups AND the alcohol industry, so I read.

While it's easy to jump on the local cops it seems when they encounter a situation with multiple underage drinkers, they contact ISEP who takes charge. I don't know if anyone outside of Indiana operates the same way but the Feds make 80 grants available annually at $50K/grant. I couldn't find a list of actual grants as to how much Indiana gets. Nor did I find out whether fines stay locally, go to the state agency, or are split.

The ISEP may be overzealous, ego trippers but they have the support of the Governor and the legislature. Underage drinkers on campuses across the state complain "persecution", "unfairl" but the Indiana legislature keeps funding them and neither they nor the Governor curtail their authority. There doesn't seem to be a rash of false arrest suits so it doesn't seem like the Indiana Judiciary is upset about the enforcement either. ISEP's been doing it this way for a couple of years from what I read.

Like it not, they're serious about underage drinking in Indiana. And they enforce it. The article, "Strike One" I linked previously notes that in du Lac, the ND student handbook, ND advises students that they can be arrested for underage drinking. Yeatman, Golic, Clausen and others were big news on campus. There may be some computer geek who missed it but the jocks all knew. There's a reason they ran like a Chinese firedrill when they learned cops were in the hood. They rolled the dice and knew the consequences they faced.

And for all the ancedotal stories about "hands off on campus" the ISEP may not raid dorms for parties not because they can't, ND doesn't have sanctuary, but because they don't know. The parties are kept in check, there's no neighbors being bothered to call a complaint in, no empties left in the neighbors yard, no loud music, fights, nor noises at 1 or 2 am in the dorms (parietals). No drunk drivers weaving down the road. But ISEP has a presence on campus at tailgate functions in recent years much to the dismay of ND tailgaters. Part of it is STOP, the federal law, part of it is the ISEP's "maintaining morals" and part of it IS ND as recently demonstrated by ND curtailing tailgating during games.
 

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If your last names Montana and your in Southbend should you get special treatment ? Friggin right you should. Look earn your grades , Earn your spot on team, and respect the school and people in it. What kinda stupid campus police looked at his I.D. and arrested him ? Joe Montana's kid can't a free pass at Notre Dame for underage age drinking. You can break up a party without arresting people.If the kids take a swing , Hurt a female or another person arrest them. God , this really bothers me . Trying to bring this program back from the dead and they are arresting the greastest QB of all times kid in South bend.Gross man gross.

I agree to a certain extent. Not because Nate was involved. But the whole arresting issue. That unfortuneatly, is liability issue in our liability happy country these days. Because of my birthday being in October, I was an 18 year old Senior in HS. In my state at that time 18 was legal to buy beer and neighboring Louisiana was legal to buy alcohol. So, on Senior skip day I was one of the ones chosen to get the booze. I and two others were busted in a state park just being teens. Foolish teens, but teens none the less. The county sheriff himself caught us. He told me that since I was 18, a legal adult, I could be charged with about 20 counts of contributing to the deliquincy of a minor. A charge that carried a minimum of 6 months and a $500 fine for each offense. 30 years ago this year, I was so scared. He told us if we poured out the booze and cleaned up the area, he would let us go. But if he caught us out that day again, we were in serious trouble. I truly appreciated the break, and I wish in a way it could be that way again. I lived in a small town, where cops were more interested in keeping kids straight than sending them to jail. But that was in a different time then, if any of these kids had gotten hurt after the cops had left there would be problems. It is now a lose-lose situation. Without knowing the exact circumstances that were occuring when the cops were there it is premature to say what should have been done or what should be done by law enforcement or ND. I hope, if all it was was a party with no injuries or property damage, that ND takes that into account and doesn't come down too hard on the kids.
 

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Neutered, Yes i am a police officer. I work for the city of Atlanta police dept, and in the state of Georgia on private property with parental consent you can drink under age.
 

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Neutered, Yes i am a police officer. I work for the city of Atlanta police dept, and in the state of Georgia on private property with parental consent you can drink under age.

Thank you boss. Sincere apology for the derogatory comment. Stay safe and thank you for your courageous choice of occupation.

I just wanted info dammit.
 

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College kids drink, they get harassed by Police, it is only news when they are Athletes.... People will make this into a bigger story than it really is...because it is Notre Dame.....
 

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No need to apolgize Neutered, its all good. I too am frustrated by the actions of the SBPD. College kids drink, it's not anything new. I just hope this does not effect the season, cant take another down year.
 

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We've all commented on this but I'm going to say my last little bit here then let it go, this was not good but NOTHING compared to the other $%#@ that goes on at other places. Its just a way for people to say see-even Notre Dame has these problems. This is mini stuff compared to other campus ^%$#@#$% but see how the media blows it out of proportion. Really - the media - is shamed and should be ashamed. If my kid was in on this deal I'd say something like 'pick your spots with some common sense' and I'm not even a drinker.
 

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Stop harrassing ND students!!!!!! Young college boys having a party and drinking?? Never of heard of this before!!!!!! LOL!!! Can't believe they spent the night in jail. What a joke.
 

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i believe that the officers who arrested the players are state police who's sole job it is to crack down on drinking.

with that said the kids were just being kids and all reports suggest it will be an internal issue with lots of running.

Havent seen anything on charges or fines
 
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