Nate Montana and 7 other players cited for underage drinking

[BGIF]

Notre Dame cops suck. Focus more on the murders and rapes that are always going on in that pretty rough city and less on college kids drinking.

It wasn't Notre Dame cops.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah there is a large difference between NDSP and South Bend/Indiana Excise police. NDSP are generally good people in my experience. Very reasonable to deal with.

SBPD basically sucks at doing their job and the ISEP are the douche bags whose ONLY job is to try to catch kids drinking under age.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Finally we get some MF'in street credit - GANSTA!!!!

 

[Kak7304]

Another problem I have with the SBPD is the fact that they do nothing when students' homes/apartments are broken into. I had friends who had laptops, tvs, ipods, etc. stolen a few years ago and the cops came by and basically said oh well, and left. I know of several instances of this occurring to several different people. I understand them punishing the students for the crime of underage drinking, but they should give them some help when they are the victims.

 

[NDame77]

Does anyone think that this could hurt recruiting? Think about it, its pretty much a fact that 90% of people drink at least occasionally while they are in college. Its a stress reliever and you have a great time meeting new people at parties.
My question is does this make SB seem like a stuck up, 1930's type of town? Who would want to go to college where a bunch of loser excise police are breathing down your neck waiting for you to have a few drinks so they can bust you?

 

[fortwayne_nd]

Another problem I have with the SBPD is the fact that they do nothing when students' homes/apartments are broken into. I had friends who had laptops, tvs, ipods, etc. stolen a few years ago and the cops came by and basically said oh well, and left. I know of several instances of this occurring to several different people. I understand them punishing the students for the crime of underage drinking, but they should give them some help when they are the victims.

Murders, rapes, theft...those are real crimes. Which requires REAL police and detective work. Busting underage drinking is pussy work.

 

[IrishLax]

Does anyone think that this could hurt recruiting? Think about it, its pretty much a fact that 90% of people drink at least occasionally while they are in college. Its a stress reliever and you have a great time meeting new people at parties.
My question is does this make SB seem like a stuck up, 1930's type of town? Who would want to go to college where a bunch of loser excise police are breathing down your neck waiting for you to have a few drinks so they can bust you?

No, there is no way this hurts recruiting. This is a totally isolated and rare event... and it seems like much more of a big deal than it really is. People get "arrested" all of the time at football games and parties across the country and stay in jail until they sober up. Heck, my friend who was like a 3.9 GPA electrical engineer got arrested at the Michigan game last year because he was too drunk and all he did was sit in a drunk tank for a few hours. ResLife said "don't do that again" and that was all... but if his name was Montana I'm sure it would've made the news... and that is really the whole point to be taken here.

The only reason this is even news is because of the name Montana. And as much as people like myself have been saying we hate SBPD and ISEP it's not because they are constantly going around and breaking up parties and breathing down your neck 24/7. It's because on the very rare occasion that they do they are total punks because they all wish they went to Notre Dame... but instead went to a random Indiana community college and became a cop.

You get that all over the place though. Even at "party schools." My friend at Texas A&M got a $500 noise violation fine... first offense. At Penn St. I know they are crazy about those types of fines too (and Happy Valley was rated the #1 party school last year).

I think any sensible recruit realizes this is the quintessential much ado about nothing.

 

[ndgwillia1]

Murders, rapes, theft...those are real crimes. Which requires REAL police and detective work. Busting underage drinking is pussy work. This is all funded under Obama's Putting People Back to Work Act. Nice to see how my tax dollars are put to use.

I agree with all of this except it being funded by "Obama's Putting People Back to Work Act." The Excise Police have been around a lot longer than that and they are State funded. Granted they are a giant pain in the ass and completely useless.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Im so effing tired of this UNDERage bullshit. Our country will give an 18 year old a gun and tell him to go die for his country, but they arent allowed to drink a fucking beer! Come on people use some common sense. Nobody was driving around drunk or vandalizing property. Its such bullshit.

Also, Polish the threads is confusing.... Make it something about an arrest, i thought we were gonna talk about him going back to junior college or something.

GOD THIS ERKS ME!!!! AHHHH!

 

[Riddickulous]

Im so effing tired of this UNDERage bullshit. Our country will give an 18 year old a gun and tell him to go die for his country, but they arent allowed to drink a fucking beer! Come on people use some common sense. Nobody was driving around drunk or vandalizing property. Its such bullshit.

Also, Polish the threads is confusing.... Make it something about an arrest, i thought we were gonna talk about him going back to junior college or something.

GOD THIS ERKS ME!!!! AHHHH!

It's a tad better than "8 players arrested". That would scare the crap out of everyone.

 

[Rocket89]

I'd like to know how they hauled in that many people to the jail.

Saturday Night Live could have a field day with this entire joke of a move by the Excise Police.

 

[jjsccer2]

I like how the story is pin-pointing Nate Montana, our walk-on quarterback.

 

[DCirishfan]

Ok, I'm not saying any of this is right. But if you're a ND student or more specifically a football player, wouldn't you know that the cops are especially hard on underage drinking in South Bend and do whatever you could to avoid that situation? Just not very smart in my opinion. And I wouldn't want to be any of these guys when Kelly gets a hold of them.

What a bunch of horse shit, the kids were at a party in college were there viles of crack of semi auto pistols there, did anyone die? For the love of god our country is starting to act like a bunch of pussy whipped nancy boys. This is a non issue move on.


PS the liberal media wont move on because they hate us

PPS sorry about the profanity I am just sick of the witch hunt to find dirt.

PMS- Makes me want to go far away

 

[DaLastFarleyite]

I am from the same era as Hippie Domer and in those days most people spent all 4 years on campus. The SB police and their IE cronies were not permitted on campus.

This wouldn't happen if, as in those days, the parties were/are permitted in the dorms.

 

[IrishLax]

What a bunch of horse shit, the kids were at a party in college were there viles of crack of semi auto pistols there, did anyone die? For the love of god our country is starting to act like a bunch of pussy whipped nancy boys. This is a non issue move on.


PS the liberal media wont move on because they hate us

PPS sorry about the profanity I am just sick of the witch hunt to find dirt.

PMS- Makes me want to go far away

^this. People get cited for underage drinking ALL THE TIME at EVERY college in the United States. There are only two schools where this would be news: Notre Dame and BYU. They'll kick you out of school for drinking in Provo and at Notre Dame the whole world is obsessed with finding any dirt they can because we have some of the most responsible student bodies in the world.

Kids will drink, kids will get tickets and occasionally kids might get taken to the drunk tank if they are really hammered. That is all that happened. No DUI, no assault, no drugs, no weapons. The end.

 

[irishtrain]

yea what happened to the days of sweeping that stuff under the rug!

I'm all for penalties for bad decisions but this stuff is silly, scare 'em with warnings but let these guys just go home. Hell in other times the police would shepard them home and slap them on the butts and let the coach run 'em till they dropped at practice. What else do you want a bunch of college guys to do while they are working out and going to summer school. If this blows up into a big deal I am finished with any respect for campus life. Not one of these guys is a problem and many are respected on campus as leaders. I cant wait to hear espn (notice small caps) make @##$% out of themselves by running this one into the ground. Make no mistake underage over drinking should not be done but lets understand college life hear people.

 

[dshans]

I am from the same era as Hippie Domer and in those days most people spent all 4 years on campus. The SB police and their IE cronies were not permitted on campus.

This wouldn't happen if, as in those days, the parties were/are permitted in the dorms.

I think the police were allowed on campus, but only with the permission of, or at the request of, the university. It was rare. I don't remember a single incident in my four years there.

I moved off campus for my junior and senior years. In my two years in Holy Cross I went to the Friday night keggers before home football games. I attended and helped stage many parties where (GASP!) beer and cheap wine were consumed by all comers, "of" age or not.

I remember at least one off campus block party held at the Notre Dame Apartments. Lots o' beer, lots o' underage imbibers dancin' in the street. There were SB police officers milling around, but only to step in if something unusual happened. No carding, no arrests. Nothing happened. They even ignored the distinctive smell of pot being smoked.

I don't remember when Indiana lowered their drinking age to 18. It may have been before my junior year. It doesn't really matter. I was "legal" by my senior year.

Hell, the student government funded shuttle busses on Friday and Saturday nights to Niles, MI so students could go have a good college time drinking, bowling and learning the pretzel polka at the Heidelberg Inn without getting behind the wheel.

 

[IrishLax]

For the record you can still drink underage in dorms. One of the only schools in the country that lets you drink in the dorms. And they have parties every year like Pigtostal where 75% of the people are underage and no one busts them.

Things like this are a rarity. And when you phrase it how ESPNnews just did "11 Notre Dame athletes among 43 cited with misdemeanor underage drinking" it sounds WAY different than "8 football players arrested."

Everyone is trying so hard to make this into a story when really there is nothing there.

 

[Junkhead]

What annoys me is that all the news outlets report, "JOE MONTANA'S SON BUSTED". Or something to that effect. In fact, he's one of the last I'm worried about as far as need. They are trying way too hard to make a big story out of it by using the family name.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Question for those who know Indiana law, and I'm maybe just taking a step back here for a sec...

Since when is "underage drinking" in a private location against the law? I've been under the impression that the legal drinking age is for those who go out to bars and order alcohol. I'm also under the impression that if I had a 19 year old son, he could drink all the alcohol in the house if I let him. Why are police allowed to enter a house and arrest underage drinkers?

 

[MirageSmack]

It's not so much the underage drinking itself that I am concerned with, but rather how this criminal activity impacts climate change. Opening just 1 can of CARBONATED beer discharges approximately 3 g. of C02 into the atmosphere (dependent upon the temperature of the beverage). This is compounded by an additional discharge of methane some hours later. And I don't even want to get started on the styrofoam cups in which the beer is often consumed and how that impacts the ozone layer.

You do realize that the computer you are probably using is also killing the environment? Unless you have no monitor.

 

[military_irish]

Question for those who know Indiana law, and I'm maybe just taking a step back here for a sec...

Since when is "underage drinking" in a private location against the law? I've been under the impression that the legal drinking age is for those who go out to bars and order alcohol. I'm also under the impression that if I had a 19 year old son, he could drink all the alcohol in the house if I let him. Why are police allowed to enter a house and arrest underage drinkers?

i'm pretty sure i have heard that also, but if the police have a reason to enter the house like a complaint of noise or something then they can question anyone or take anyone in.

kind of like being pulled over with out a license, its against the law but no one knows until they have a reason to pull you over. (best anology i could think of)

 

[Irish To The Core]

You do realize that the computer you are probably using is also killing the environment? Unless you have no monitor.

I built my house out of nothing but old computer monitors and clay...it amazing how high an r factor you get from an old crt monitor. And if you network them all together you have instant electrical wiring for your new home (just make sure you slip the inspector a few bucks). Environmentally friendly, aesthetically pleasing and economical.

 

[Riddickulous]

What annoys me is that all the news outlets report, "JOE MONTANA'S SON BUSTED". Or something to that effect. In fact, he's one of the last I'm worried about as far as need. They are trying way too hard to make a big story out of it by using the family name.

If Rees, Hendrix, and Massa weren't freshmen I would agree with you here. As things are, he's our #2 guy, at the moment.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Question for those who know Indiana law, and I'm maybe just taking a step back here for a sec...

Since when is "underage drinking" in a private location against the law? I've been under the impression that the legal drinking age is for those who go out to bars and order alcohol. I'm also under the impression that if I had a 19 year old son, he could drink all the alcohol in the house if I let him. Why are police allowed to enter a house and arrest underage drinkers?

"Federal government prohibits the sale of alcoholic beverages to minors and the purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages by minors."

Indiana state law - "You must be 21 years old to drink alcohol or work as a bartender in Indiana, but you can work as a server in a restaurant at age 19. With a supervisor present, a worker can at 18 work at a store that sells alcohol. All alcoholic beverage servers attend alcohol training classes."

 

[dshans]

Since when is "underage drinking" in a private location against the law? I've been under the impression that the legal drinking age is for those who go out to bars and order alcohol. I'm also under the impression that if I had a 19 year old son, he could drink all the alcohol in the house if I let him. Why are police allowed to enter a house and arrest underage drinkers?

So many laws, so little time.

I can't speak to specific laws in Indiana, or any other state for that matter, but I'm pretty sure that laws governing consumption of alcohol by a minor and providing alcohol to a minor are not site or circumstance specific. Child endangerment is an issue as well.

I get the sense that it was a large and "boisterous" off-campus party that resulted in a complaint from neighbors. That provided SBPD (not Kampus Kops) with "cause" to enter the property/house. Discretionary action is a different matter.

The police could well have simply warned the party goers to tone it down or shut it down. Been there, done that in similar circumstances. Now it becomes a matter of judicial, res-life, Kelly and parental discretion.

No doubt about it, it's a shame that circumstance and notoriety have led to this. Let's hope that cool heads preside.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

So everyone's feelings on the matter set aside, do you think this is going to be a big problem for these guys? Suspensions, dealt with in house, etc?!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

"Federal government prohibits the sale of alcoholic beverages to minors and the purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages by minors."

Indiana state law - "You must be 21 years old to drink alcohol or work as a bartender in Indiana, but you can work as a server in a restaurant at age 19. With a supervisor present, a worker can at 18 work at a store that sells alcohol. All alcoholic beverage servers attend alcohol training classes."

O.K., but like I said, that mainly applies to the purchase of alcohol. Nothing mentioned about minors drinking in the privacy of their own home.

From Wikipedia (sorry, didn't have time to look up Indiana law or fed law...) "The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 states that revenue will be withheld from states that allow the purchase of alcohol by anyone under the age of 21. Prior to the effective date of that Act, the drinking age varied from state to state. Some states do not allow those under the legal drinking age to be present in liquor stores or in bars (usually, the difference between a bar and a restaurant is whether food is being served). Contrary to popular belief, since the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984, few states specifically prohibit minors' and young adults' consumption of alcohol in private settings. As of January 1, 2007, 14 states and the District of Columbia ban underage consumption outright, 19 states do not specifically ban underage consumption, and an additional 17 states have family member and/or location exceptions to their underage consumption laws.

Federal law explicitly provides for religious, medical, employment and private club possession exceptions; as of 2005, 31 states have family member and/or location exceptions to their underage possession laws. However, non-alcoholic beer in many (but not all) states, some including Idaho, Texas, and Maryland, is considered legal for minors (those under the age of 21).[12]"

So, it would not be illegal for an under 21 ND student to drink, since he or she is in the privacy of the house, supervised by ND admin. But it would be illegal for an under 21 to go out and purchase the alcohol.

Anyway, just curious.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

O.K., but like I said, that mainly applies to the purchase of alcohol. Nothing mentioned about minors drinking in the privacy of their own home.

From Wikipedia (sorry, didn't have time to look up Indiana law or fed law...) "The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 states that revenue will be withheld from states that allow the purchase of alcohol by anyone under the age of 21. Prior to the effective date of that Act, the drinking age varied from state to state. Some states do not allow those under the legal drinking age to be present in liquor stores or in bars (usually, the difference between a bar and a restaurant is whether food is being served). Contrary to popular belief, since the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984, few states specifically prohibit minors' and young adults' consumption of alcohol in private settings. As of January 1, 2007, 14 states and the District of Columbia ban underage consumption outright, 19 states do not specifically ban underage consumption, and an additional 17 states have family member and/or location exceptions to their underage consumption laws.

Federal law explicitly provides for religious, medical, employment and private club possession exceptions; as of 2005, 31 states have family member and/or location exceptions to their underage possession laws. However, non-alcoholic beer in many (but not all) states, some including Idaho, Texas, and Maryland, is considered legal for minors (those under the age of 21).[12]"

So, it would not be illegal for an under 21 ND student to drink, since he or she is in the privacy of the house, supervised by ND admin. But it would be illegal for an under 21 to go out and purchase the alcohol.

Anyway, just curious.

In the case you are talking about, there are certain states that allow this but the parent must be present and administer the alcohol to the kids. There also must be some sort of purpose whether medical or religious.

"possession "for an established religious purpose; when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian age 21 or older; for medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital or medical institution; in private clubs or establishments; or to the sale, handling, transport, or service in dispensing of any alcoholic beverage pursuant to lawful employment of a person under the age of twenty-one years by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler, or retailer of alcoholic beverages."

1. Parents did not administer the alcohol, it was a party
2. No medical or religious purpose
3. Not prescribed by a licensed physician
4. It is against the law


The federal government has responded by incentivizing states to raise the legal drinking age to 21 years. States who do not raise the drinking age to 21 years do not receive federal highway transportation funding. Indiana has adopted a strict enforcement of underage drinking laws, especially for students because of the potential hazards that it has caused in the past i.e. drowning, drinking and driving, violence...

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

So everyone's feelings on the matter set aside, do you think this is going to be a big problem for these guys? Suspensions, dealt with in house, etc?!

Extra 1000 burpees a day for two weeks and 100 wind sprints ought to teach them a lesson.