NDinL.A.
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My wife agrees...
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First, the reports of his concussion(Yes, there was a team physician who diagnosed the concussion), when it happened, what his behavior was prior to it, ARE IRRELEVANT.
You guys are all missing the point about the concussion and Mark Schlereth hit the nail on the head today on Mike and Mike.
Suppose you are a player on that team and you sustain a concussion. Now with the treatment Adam James was subjected to, are you more or less willing to tell a trainer you are injured? You do NOT PUNISH someone for getting injured. You do NOT lock someone in a fucking shed or garage for being injured.
Mike Leach and his attorney have NEVER disputed the fact that they locked this kid in the shed, TWICE. I don't care who you are, there is no way you can justify how this kid was treated because he had an injury. This whole thing can be summarized by how Mike Leach acted out with his insubordination. He claims Adam James was insubordinate and he punished him by locking him in a shed.
DID THEY LOCK MIKE LEACH IN A SHED FOR ACTING INSUBORDINATE?
No, they fired his ass. If Mike Leach didn't want this kid on his team he could have yanked his scholarship. Again, for those of you attempting to justify his actions you are way off base. I truly pity those of you that think that someone's health is less important then teaching someone a life lesson. There is NO justification for it, none.
You guys are all missing the point about the concussion and Mark Schlereth hit the nail on the head today on Mike and Mike.
Suppose you are a player on that team and you sustain a concussion. Now with the treatment Adam James was subjected to, are you more or less willing to tell a trainer you are injured? You do NOT PUNISH someone for getting injured. You do NOT lock someone in a fucking shed or garage for being injured.
Mike Leach and his attorney have NEVER disputed the fact that they locked this kid in the shed, TWICE. I don't care who you are, there is no way you can justify how this kid was treated because he had an injury. This whole thing can be summarized by how Mike Leach acted out with his insubordination. He claims Adam James was insubordinate and he punished him by locking him in a shed.
DID THEY LOCK MIKE LEACH IN A SHED FOR ACTING INSUBORDINATE?
No, they fired his ass. If Mike Leach didn't want this kid on his team he could have yanked his scholarship. Again, for those of you attempting to justify his actions you are way off base. I truly pity those of you that think that someone's health is less important then teaching someone a life lesson. There is NO justification for it, none.
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That's the same clip I tried unsuccessfully to embed from U-Tube earlier at http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/50603-leach-fired-2.html#post349276
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I have one major problem with this whole matter at Texas Tech.
That is ESPN.
Total abuse of power.
ESPN initially reporting the story through "sources" when in fact the source was its own Craig James.
This was clearly a one sided vendetta by the James family aided and abetted by ESPN. ESPN has an obligation of reporting a story with all the facts and all sides equally represented. After reading the posts on CBS Sports by players and coaches and former coaches of Texas Tech, it is abundantly clear that ESPN intentionally chose to present only one side of the story.
I, for one, cannot render a conclusion as to whether or not Leach should have been fired, because I do not believe all of the facts of the matter have been laid on the table.
That is ESPN.
Total abuse of power.
ESPN initially reporting the story through "sources" when in fact the source was its own Craig James.
This was clearly a one sided vendetta by the James family aided and abetted by ESPN. ESPN has an obligation of reporting a story with all the facts and all sides equally represented. After reading the posts on CBS Sports by players and coaches and former coaches of Texas Tech, it is abundantly clear that ESPN intentionally chose to present only one side of the story.
I, for one, cannot render a conclusion as to whether or not Leach should have been fired, because I do not believe all of the facts of the matter have been laid on the table.
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Agree 100%. ESPN has been less than truthful on numerous occassions. Are we now expected to accept their "reporting" as the gospel truth? I will wait until all of the facts are presented before reaching a conclusion.
BTW, nice to see a fellow Peorian on the board.
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There has been a lot of conflicting information thrown out, in regards to this story. I don't recall anyone from the Texas Tech staff saying that James was punished for being injured. I also have not heard anyone from Texas Tech's staff verify that the kid was locked up, anywhere. I know that they "put" him a darkened room, twice. But the facts of the incident are very muddy, thanks to what amounts to, at best, shoddy journalism.
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You're wrong here jefmaj. Let's say he made those claims after the shed/room incidents. Then why put him in the shed in the first place? Why put him in there with 3 trainers supposedly checking up on him (according to Leach's lawyer)? If he was healthy, then the trainers wouldn't have been part if the equation...
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espn(note small caps) absolute power corrupts absolutely
Read BGIF's post above with link regarding supportive emails from seeming every coach, former players - including Harrel, and about everybody that played with the kid... he undermined authority... called out coaches.... complained in practice that the problems weren't with player but with coaches not knowing their job... for giving less tha adequate effort and using the star kid attitude to justify it.... sad thing was they said the kid had a adequate telent but got outplayed by kids with less because thde others used effort....
As for supervision while he stood in the corner, so to speak, it was CYA....
Nonetheless, I think the rest of his days at Lubbuck will be spent getting called out, taunted, and abused... and he doesn't come close to having next level talent.... and since he walked off the baseball team... no hope there.
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Why not just send the guy to the hospital. Call his bluff.
Too silly a story. Southwest Conference revisited.
Too silly a story. Southwest Conference revisited.
Now the ESPN scroll says that a trainer for Texas Tech claims James made up some of that crap... I hope, if it's true... Leach sues them for a fortune.... this went too quick... imo - i always felt he was railroaded... And if it turns out James exagerated... welcome to being a scholarship waterboy.
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Why a garage? Why wasn't he in a medical room or the weight room or something?
Obviously there will be a side that supports James... and a side that supports Leach... one will not convince the other of their point of view to the point of persuasion...
No winners here... James career and reputation are done... Leach was fired... TT will slip back in to mediocrity... who won? Neither.
No winners here... James career and reputation are done... Leach was fired... TT will slip back in to mediocrity... who won? Neither.
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I think there is a 60 Minutes curse in effect. Look at the last three college football coaches they interviewed.
1) Pete Carroll - has his worse year in almost a decade
2) Mike Leach - fired
3) Charlie - fired
Seems like it is worse than the SI or Madden Cover.
1) Pete Carroll - has his worse year in almost a decade
2) Mike Leach - fired
3) Charlie - fired
Seems like it is worse than the SI or Madden Cover.
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this sounded more like it
this sounded more like it
Notre Dame Central had a article on this mess and James comes off like a controlling father of a non/football talent and Leach looks like a guy who made Bobby Knight mistakes but is still a good coach. espn(never caps) had way to much involvement here and like I said before 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. I hope this doesnt repeat itself at Notre Dame if you know what I mean.
this sounded more like it
Notre Dame Central had a article on this mess and James comes off like a controlling father of a non/football talent and Leach looks like a guy who made Bobby Knight mistakes but is still a good coach. espn(never caps) had way to much involvement here and like I said before 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. I hope this doesnt repeat itself at Notre Dame if you know what I mean.
James is not a kid..
James is not a kid..
The problem I have with this story is that ESPN keeps referring to James as a kid. I am not sure of his exact age, but I am guessing 20, he is a young man. James for some reason allowed himself to be put in this "Shed." He could have refused and if physically he was made to do it then thats a different story. He allowed it to happen because he knew the outcome would be result in some disciplinary action on Leach and that his daddy would make sure it was a big story for ESPN...
James is not a kid..
The problem I have with this story is that ESPN keeps referring to James as a kid. I am not sure of his exact age, but I am guessing 20, he is a young man. James for some reason allowed himself to be put in this "Shed." He could have refused and if physically he was made to do it then thats a different story. He allowed it to happen because he knew the outcome would be result in some disciplinary action on Leach and that his daddy would make sure it was a big story for ESPN...
I posted his age earlier in this thread. He'll be 22 next month.
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You can't punish a student/athlete for being injured...attitude or not. If an injury is treated as a weakness, the next athlete might not come forward.
If a player tries to play with a concussion, he has higher risk of re-injury, permanent brain damage, or (in rare cases) death.
Football Players Need Several Days to Recover From a Concussion
Adam James might have been insubordinate. It doesn't matter. Be the adult.
If a player tries to play with a concussion, he has higher risk of re-injury, permanent brain damage, or (in rare cases) death.
Football Players Need Several Days to Recover From a Concussion
Adam James might have been insubordinate. It doesn't matter. Be the adult.