Weis calls out Carroll

[devolg]

Taken entirely out of context & off the record.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

What was classless about it?

Weis is in no position to be talking about rumors of the personal life of a rival coach. If this is untrue it is a very hurtful rumor that could hurt the Carroll family. It was an awful thing to say.

 

[irishtrain]

what is wrong with what he did?

Media/Media/Media. Plus he explained and showed his point in an intelligent, classy, way. Watch the media twist it and make him look bad, when he was only trying to prove a point on how media screw it up.

 

[kmoose]

Weis is in no position to be talking about rumors of the personal life of a rival coach. If this is untrue it is a very hurtful rumor that could hurt the Carroll family. It was an awful thing to say.

He simply referred to the rumor. It's not like he started it, or let the reporters in on it. It was already out there, at least amongst media types.

 

[irishtrain]

i agree with you here. while it was a douchey thing to say, he got thrown under the bus by these "journalists".

as if it wasn't clear already, the HC search and now the weis firing has really shown the true colors of most reporters today. no due diligence, no reliable sources, no respect for the traditional rules, and double standards galore. if he really said this off the record, it makes me sad to see him get kicked while he's down.

Nicely said with one more point- fear and jealousy makes you do such things. They dont want to deal with Notre Dame on a roll, all you have to do is listen and you can hear their fear of Notre Dame. Its about time that point was addressed and brought to the front. Kick when their down boys dont let 'em up we saw what they can do when they get it right.

 

[NDMontana]

I highly doubt that CW said this with the intention that it would hurt Pete Carrol; I believe that he was putting it out there as a hypothetical scenario. However, he should have known better than to use specific names. Using PC's name was inappropriate and for a guy who knows what it's like to be drug through the mud, who knows how well the media can twist words, he should've known better.

 

[JefMaj]

USC football: Charlie Weis says comments about Pete Carroll were taken out of context [Updated] | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times

 

[BeatSC]

Do you think this will affect Pete's chances with Swarbrick? Will Charlie put ina good work for him. Living in South Bend wold be god for Pete's fidelity. I watch the ND games at a bar in Hermosa Beach and their are birds everywhere.

 

[NDMontana]

Do you think this will affect Pete's chances with Swarbrick? Will Charlie put ina good work for him. Living in South Bend wold be god for Pete's fidelity. I watch the ND games at a bar in Hermosa Beach and their are birds everywhere.

Are you tipsy?

 

[devolg]

Do you think this will affect Pete's chances with Swarbrick? Will Charlie put ina good work for him. Living in South Bend wold be god for Pete's fidelity. I watch the ND games at a bar in Hermosa Beach and their are birds everywhere.

HAHAHA!

 

[kmoose]

Do you think this will affect Pete's chances with Swarbrick?

No. I think the chances of Carroll having an extramarital affair with Jack Swarbrick are unchanged, in light of this rumor.

 

[phgreek]

No. I think the chances of Carroll having an extramarital affair with Jack Swarbrick are unchanged, in light of this rumor.

...that made me laugh...and puke in my mouth a little...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Just another example of why gossiping is not the correct thing to do. I also have no clue why you would trust someone in the media to not report that.

Yep.

But since there is no video of the interview, we don't even know exactly what was asked and what was said.

Media stirring up stuff.

I wonder how many members of the "media" lurk on this site posing as an ND fan. I notice that many of the new posters are the ones starting rumors. Doesn't bother me, but CW said that many internet rumors actually hurt his wife and son. That's not cool. Let the man go. He worked hard and was one year away from getting over the hump. Just my opinion.

 

[NDMontana]

Yep.

But since there is no video of the interview, we don't even know exactly what was asked and what was said.

Media stirring up stuff.

I wonder how many members of the "media" lurk on this site posing as an ND fan. I notice that many of the new posters are the ones starting rumors. Doesn't bother me, but CW said that many internet rumors actually hurt his wife and son. That's not cool. Let the man go. He worked hard and was one year away from getting over the hump. Just my opinion.

I agree but, sadly, it's time to move on.

 

[Allocco 121975]

What was classless about it?

If you don't know , then no one can explain it to you.

Just remember that no body likes a tattletail!

 

[IBLEEDB&G]

For the record, CW wasn't even talking about Pete Carroll in a realistic sense. He said INTERNET RUMORS can be very harmful to your family and he used the internet rumor about PC as an example of how.

This is why it was supposed to be off the record and also why it was taken out of context. I do agree with most that CW should have just taken the money and gotten out of Dodge, but you can't really fault him for this one.

 

[Allocco 121975]

For the record, CW wasn't even talking about Pete Carroll in a realistic sense. He said INTERNET RUMORS can be very harmful to your family and he used the internet rumor about PC as an example of how.

This is why it was supposed to be off the record and also why it was taken out of context. I do agree with most that CW should have just taken the money and gotten out of Dodge, but you can't really fault him for this one.

It was his fault , on or off the record. Charlie has been around too long to not know that the off the record status is not sacrosanct.

Men of integrity keep their mouth shut!

 

[kmoose]

Men of integrity keep their mouth shut!

Men of integrity stand up for what they believe in. Keeping your mouth shut has nothing to do with integrity.

Weis is gone, quit trying to shovel more dirt on him. You don't like him. We get it, already!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Men of integrity stand up for what they believe in. Keeping your mouth shut has nothing to do with integrity.

Weis is gone, quit trying to shovel more dirt on him. You don't like him. We get it, already!

Nice

 

[kmoose]

If you don't know , then no one can explain it to you.

Just remember that no body likes a tattletail!

Or a tattletale, even?

There is nothing classless about referring to this rumor, to illustrate the difference between the way the media reports on you, as compared to someone else. ESPECIALLY off the record. Was Charlie being naive about it? Probably. But classless? No.

 

[laservet]

This was incredibly classless by Weis.

It was. His excuse rings hollow. Anyone who deals with the press more than once knows that NOTHING is off the record, especially when they say it is off the record. Charlie's no idiot, he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

It was. His excuse rings hollow. Anyone who deals with the press more than once knows that NOTHING is off the record, especially when they say it is off the record. Charlie's no idiot, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Yep.

 

[Allocco 121975]

Men of integrity stand up for what they believe in. Keeping your mouth shut has nothing to do with integrity.

Weis is gone, quit trying to shovel more dirt on him. You don't like him. We get it, already!

Speaking about another coaches private life without any substantiation and only rumors, is classless and crude.

Men of integrity will not gossip and that is what Charlie did. Shame he lost his job the same week too!


Weis being gone does not absolve him of the stupidity he displayed. He brought this on himself and I am sorry you don't like it, but he did it , I didn't!

 

[kmoose]

Speaking about another coaches private life without any substantiation and only rumors, is classless and crude.

Men of integrity will not gossip and that is what Charlie did. Shame he lost his job the same week too!


Weis being gone does not absolve him of the stupidity he displayed. He brought this on himself and I am sorry you don't like it, but he did it , I didn't!

What exactly did he do? He didn't "out" Pete Carroll for anything. I think that is the big distinction, in my mind. If he had been the initial source of the rumor, or had said something to the effect of, "Hey, did you hear the rumor about Pete Carroll living with a Grad Student?", then I would be all over Weis for it. All he did was point out something that he apparently had reason to believe that the reporters that he was talking to already knew.

But, on that subject............what does it say about "we the people", when (if the rumors are true) a guy who is cheating on his wife, as well as (probably) breaking workplace rules on fraternization, is considered some kind of "victim"?

 

[Allocco 121975]

What exactly did he do? He didn't "out" Pete Carroll for anything. I think that is the big distinction, in my mind. If he had been the initial source of the rumor, or had said something to the effect of, "Hey, did you hear the rumor about Pete Carroll living with a Grad Student?", then I would be all over Weis for it. All he did was point out something that he apparently had reason to believe that the reporters that he was talking to already knew.

But, on that subject............what does it say about "we the people", when (if the rumors are true) a guy who is cheating on his wife, as well as (probably) breaking workplace rules on fraternization, is considered some kind of "victim"?

You want to justify Charlies behavior and nothing will do that.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

You want to justify Charlies behavior and nothing will do that.

And you're dead set on crucifying him...let it go. He's gone.

 

[BeatSC]

Is their truth to the rumor that Pistol Pete is Tiger's Wing man?

 

[kmoose]

You want to justify Charlies behavior and nothing will do that.

No, I want people to be honest about the situation. People are treating this like Weis revealed some dirty secret of Carroll's, that no one else knew about. That seems to not be true. From the quotes that I read, it seems pretty clear that Weis knew that the reporters knew about this story. I certainly wouldn't call Weis' comments classy, but neither would I characterize them as classless. I would say that they are in a gray area.

 

[irishtrain]

No, I want people to be honest about the situation. People are treating this like Weis revealed some dirty secret of Carroll's, that no one else knew about. That seems to not be true. From the quotes that I read, it seems pretty clear that Weis knew that the reporters knew about this story. I certainly wouldn't call Weis' comments classy, but neither would I characterize them as classless. I would say that they are in a gray area.

Exactly correct, and they brought it up, he should have just said his ideas on the subject of how he was treated in his own words without a 'poodle' reference. He made a mistake, big deal the real point of the matter is how the media still takes it to the negative and runs it into the ground against Notre Dame. The one thing missing once the team starts winning again (and they will win again) is a concerted effort to "play the game" like many (SEC/little 11/Big 12/pac 10) media outlets do. I would like to see a national show centered on Notre Dame like the old coaches show. It would help brand the Notre Dame name and combat the influence of shows like CBS Sports/Tony Barnhardt. These shows are only there to tout their conference and their agenda. Hell 2 months ago Tony Barnhardt was lobbying for a ala/fla title game before they even played the conference off. Notre Dame should roll up its sleeves and get in that game. The hosts could be a who's who of Notre Dame legends. Fight the damn fight dont just take it and say nothing.

 

[irishfan]

It was. His excuse rings hollow. Anyone who deals with the press more than once knows that NOTHING is off the record, especially when they say it is off the record. Charlie's no idiot, he knew exactly what he was doing.

It should stay off the record when you're dealing with 5 hand-picked reporters who Weis chose because he thinks them to genually care about ND. And when 4 of the 5 actually do respect the fact that it was off the record, you know it wasn't Weis' fault. Either Prister completely had a brain fart or knew it would get Irish Illustrated much more hits if he did this.