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I read a good article yesterday, I can't remember where, about how this day should go at Notre Dame Stadium.

Remember 2005 and 2006? We had some good times with Charlie. The caliber of players he's recruited is certainly a boon to the University--yes, Notre Dame can still recruit. He brought ND back into the discussion--for good and bad reasons.

What does that all add up to? Well, this is going to sound weird but take it in context: Charlie Weis is like the girlfriend most of us have had that we thought we would marry, we had some great times, times got a little harder, we thought we were coming back out of the bad times but it just didn't materialize. I remember the one I had like that before I met my wife....and when it was over it didn't get ugly, it wasn't childish; we laughed, talked about how we can't believe it didn't work out and vowed to be friends. We never dissed one another in public, there is a quiet respect and reverence and we're grateful for the good times we shared and the growth we facilitated in one another through the years.

And so today, it would seem, is Charlie Weis's last game at Notre Dame Stadium. People should think back to where the program was headed, talent wise, before he arrived. We should take today, especially those lucky enough to be at the game, to applaud Charlie's hard work because he did work his ass off. We should thank him because this program is better off today than it was five years ago.

I hope that Charlie Weis remains a fan of Notre Dame, I hope when Notre Dame fans see Charlie Weis in the years to come that they view him with respect and appreciation because, though it didn't work out, we're certainly better off than we were five years ago.

He deserves a standing ovation today, not for mediocrity, but because he inspired a lot of hope. Charlie Weis is ultimately a victim of his own hard work and high expectations. The standards he set for the program are now being thrown back in his face: 9-3 isn't good enough, schematic advantage, outworking your opponents, etc. But wasn't it refreshing to be inspired again? We believed what he said because he did work hard, he did recruit well and because we had seen him do it with lesser players in '05 and '06.

I've been critical of the man, but hopefully fair in my criticism. Today I thank Charlie and I think to myself that it seemed so right but it just didn't work out. And I'm not bitter; I'm thankful for the time we had with Charlie Weis. I hope everybody, ardent supporters and detractors, step back and put it all in context. He may not have earned the right to coach Notre Dame next year but he at least deserves credit for what he did do and what he tried to do.
 
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Please......................what a bunch of manuer.

Charlie will be back next year. Get use to it.
 

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I read a good article yesterday, I can't remember where, about how this day should go at Notre Dame Stadium.

Remember 2005 and 2006? We had some good times with Charlie. The caliber of players he's recruited is certainly a boon to the University--yes, Notre Dame can still recruit. He brought ND back into the discussion--for good and bad reasons.

What does that all add up to? Well, this is going to sound weird but take it in context: Charlie Weis is like the girlfriend most of us have had that we thought we would marry, we had some great times, times got a little harder, we thought we were coming back out of the bad times but it just didn't materialize. I remember the one I had like that before I met my wife....and when it was over it didn't get ugly, it wasn't childish; we laughed, talked about how we can't believe it didn't work out and vowed to be friends. We never dissed one another in public, there is a quiet respect and reverence and we're grateful for the good times we shared and the growth we facilitated in one another through the years.

And so today, it would seem, is Charlie Weis's last game at Notre Dame Stadium. People should think back to where the program was headed, talent wise, before he arrived. We should take today, especially those lucky enough to be at the game, to applaud Charlie's hard work because he did work his ass off. We should thank him because this program is better off today than it was five years ago.

I hope that Charlie Weis remains a fan of Notre Dame, I hope when Notre Dame fans see Charlie Weis in the years to come that they view him with respect and appreciation because, though it didn't work out, we're certainly better off than we were five years ago.

He deserves a standing ovation today, not for mediocrity, but because he inspired a lot of hope. Charlie Weis is ultimately a victim of his own hard work and high expectations. The standards he set for the program are now being thrown back in his face: 9-3 isn't good enough, schematic advantage, outworking your opponents, etc. But wasn't it refreshing to be inspired again? We believed what he said because he did work hard, he did recruit well and because we had seen him do it with lesser players in '05 and '06.

I've been critical of the man, but hopefully fair in my criticism. Today I thank Charlie and I think to myself that it seemed so right but it just didn't work out. And I'm not bitter; I'm thankful for the time we had with Charlie Weis. I hope everybody, ardent supporters and detractors, step back and put it all in context. He may not have earned the right to coach Notre Dame next year but he at least deserves credit for what he did do and what he tried to do.

I'm with ya 100%
 

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Please......................what a bunch of manuer.

Charlie will be back next year. Get use to it.

I agree with the original post, it was far from manure. I'd say there is a chance Charlie is back, but it is anything but a sure thing.
 

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The guy deserves respect every game. The Circus he has gone through here no man should have to go through. My point is just that respect. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and I respect his (ND Mont..) RESPECT is earned, NOT automatic. Im sure he too wishes he had done a few things different but ultimately he should be given repect every game. He didn't come to ND and take stupid pills the guy has been a winning coach with 4 Superbowls. To say just for today he should be repected is an insult. Just my opinion.



Bash away like you always do !! Its just my opinion. I dont care !!


Keep the faith !!!
GO IRISH !!!
 

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Yeah right he deserves a standing boo. GOOD LORD THIS IS ANNOYING, the guy was compensated to an insane extent and produced lousy results. He should not have been allowed to comeback after losing to Syracuse last year. I just don't get this type of foolishness.
 

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Heres my opinion. Bring CW back as recruiting coordinator. Yup i said it, if he must go, he said that he wants to retire from ND and that recruiting is an aspect of college football that he really loves.

Its not going to happen, but it would be a sweet deal in my book.
 

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Please......................what a bunch of manuer.

Charlie will be back next year. Get use to it.

I hope he is back but I'm being realistic and thinking that fans should focus on what he's done for the program as opposed to what he hasn't.

I'll tell everybody one thing: we'll certainly be more attractive to big name coaches as the seemingly inevitable search begins. And why will be able to do that? Because Charlie Weis dispelled Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham's endless excuses about not being able to recruit at ND because of academic standards and the weather and what ever other b.s. excuses they used.
 

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Yeah right he deserves a standing boo. GOOD LORD THIS IS ANNOYING, the guy was compensated to an insane extent and produced lousy results. He should not have been allowed to comeback after losing to Syracuse last year. I just don't get this type of foolishness.

this is the type of trolling i can't stand.
 

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I read a good article yesterday, I can't remember where, about how this day should go at Notre Dame Stadium.

Remember 2005 and 2006? We had some good times with Charlie. The caliber of players he's recruited is certainly a boon to the University--yes, Notre Dame can still recruit. He brought ND back into the discussion--for good and bad reasons.

What does that all add up to? Well, this is going to sound weird but take it in context: Charlie Weis is like the girlfriend most of us have had that we thought we would marry, we had some great times, times got a little harder, we thought we were coming back out of the bad times but it just didn't materialize. I remember the one I had like that before I met my wife....and when it was over it didn't get ugly, it wasn't childish; we laughed, talked about how we can't believe it didn't work out and vowed to be friends. We never dissed one another in public, there is a quiet respect and reverence and we're grateful for the good times we shared and the growth we facilitated in one another through the years.

And so today, it would seem, is Charlie Weis's last game at Notre Dame Stadium. People should think back to where the program was headed, talent wise, before he arrived. We should take today, especially those lucky enough to be at the game, to applaud Charlie's hard work because he did work his ass off. We should thank him because this program is better off today than it was five years ago.

I hope that Charlie Weis remains a fan of Notre Dame, I hope when Notre Dame fans see Charlie Weis in the years to come that they view him with respect and appreciation because, though it didn't work out, we're certainly better off than we were five years ago.

He deserves a standing ovation today, not for mediocrity, but because he inspired a lot of hope. Charlie Weis is ultimately a victim of his own hard work and high expectations. The standards he set for the program are now being thrown back in his face: 9-3 isn't good enough, schematic advantage, outworking your opponents, etc. But wasn't it refreshing to be inspired again? We believed what he said because he did work hard, he did recruit well and because we had seen him do it with lesser players in '05 and '06.

I've been critical of the man, but hopefully fair in my criticism. Today I thank Charlie and I think to myself that it seemed so right but it just didn't work out. And I'm not bitter; I'm thankful for the time we had with Charlie Weis. I hope everybody, ardent supporters and detractors, step back and put it all in context. He may not have earned the right to coach Notre Dame next year but he at least deserves credit for what he did do and what he tried to do.

what a great way to look at it. i agree. although we lost today, i still think charlie deserves respect, he brought us one of the best qb's and wr's ever to enter Notre Dame Stadium
 

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what a great way to look at it. i agree. although we lost today, i still think charlie deserves respect, he brought us one of the best qb's and wr's ever to enter Notre Dame Stadium

Seriously. Everyone knows he will be out but at least show some respect for where he has ND.
 

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Could say the exact same thing about Ty.

No, you really couldn't. Ty Willingham--by all accounts--never worked his ass off. His BCS year was completely smoke-and-mirrors (I think the defense had more TD's than the offense in the fourth week of the season). And Tyrone Willingham made the same excuses about academic standards and recruiting that Davie made.

Weis never made those excuses--he got out and recruited his ass off. He spent a lot of time in his office and the film room.

No, you couldn't have said the same thing to Ty Willingham.
 

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No, you really couldn't. Ty Willingham--by all accounts--never worked his ass off. His BCS year was completely smoke-and-mirrors (I think the defense had more TD's than the offense in the fourth week of the season). And Tyrone Willingham made the same excuses about academic standards and recruiting that Davie made.

Weis never made those excuses--he got out and recruited his ass off. He spent a lot of time in his office and the film room.

No, you couldn't have said the same thing to Ty Willingham.

Uh, I was responding to this post:
Originally Posted by chyrspchuck
although we lost today, i still think charlie deserves respect, he brought us one of the best qb's and wr's ever to enter Notre Dame Stadium

And I stand by my post.

As to Ty's work ethic - I wouldn't know anything about that AND NEITHER WOULD YOU. Of course, people after he left had bad things to say about Ty - they always do. Believe me, they'll be out after Charlie too.
 

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Uh, I was responding to this post:
Originally Posted by chyrspchuck
although we lost today, i still think charlie deserves respect, he brought us one of the best qb's and wr's ever to enter Notre Dame Stadium

And I stand by my post.

As to Ty's work ethic - I wouldn't know anything about that AND NEITHER WOULD YOU. Of course, people after he left had bad things to say about Ty - they always do. Believe me, they'll be out after Charlie too.

No, a lot of people surrounding the program knew all about Ty WIllingham's work ethic and they discussed it. I think his results at Washington bear witness to his lack of ability. Hell, Sarkesian has been there one year and already signed Montana's second son who is, by all accounts, a great prospect.

What else do you need to know?
 

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No, a lot of people surrounding the program knew all about Ty WIllingham's work ethic and they discussed it. I think his results at Washington bear witness to his lack of ability. Hell, Sarkesian has been there one year and already signed Montana's second son who is, by all accounts, a great prospect.

What else do you need to know?

Ty was lousy at Washington. He was very good at Stanford and at worst, as good as Charlie at ND.

Who knows what Charlie does now. My guess is back to the NFL.

So comparing the two as college coaches, Ty would win.

As to the work ethic thing - that is back stabbing nonsense that i would put zero stock in. I won't even address what you are intimating with it. Not worth it.
 

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Ty was lousy at Washington. He was very good at Stanford and at worst, as good as Charlie at ND.

Who knows what Charlie does now. My guess is back to the NFL.

So comparing the two as college coaches, Ty would win.

As to the work ethic thing - that is back stabbing nonsense that i would put zero stock in. I won't even address what you are intimating with it. Not worth it.

Tyrone Willingham had piss poor recruits; his results at Washington say it all. And, uh, he was never "very good at Stanford".

1995 Stanford 7–4–1
1996 Stanford 7–5
1997 Stanford 5–6
1998 Stanford 3–8
1999 Stanford 8–4
2000 Stanford 5–6
2001 Stanford 9–3


That doesn't look "very good" to me. That looks average with a year or two of being slightly above average.
 

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Ty was lousy at Washington. He was very good at Stanford and at worst, as good as Charlie at ND.

Who knows what Charlie does now. My guess is back to the NFL.

So comparing the two as college coaches, Ty would win.

As to the work ethic thing - that is back stabbing nonsense that i would put zero stock in. I won't even address what you are intimating with it. Not worth it.

WRONG
 

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Tyrone Willingham had piss poor recruits; his results at Washington say it all. And, uh, he was never "very good at Stanford".

1995 Stanford 7–4–1
1996 Stanford 7–5
1997 Stanford 5–6
1998 Stanford 3–8
1999 Stanford 8–4
2000 Stanford 5–6
2001 Stanford 9–3


That doesn't look "very good" to me. That looks average with a year or two of being slightly above average.

They play in the Pac-10 and have stricter academic standards than even us. He was a good coach at Stanford.

As to his recruiting ability - ND had some pretty good players in 2005&6.
 

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Ty was pretty average at Stanford and ND, and piss poor at UWash. With equal players, their game day coaching skills are comparable, but I would much rather have Weis.
 

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They play in the Pac-10 and have stricter academic standards than even us. He was a good coach at Stanford.

As to his recruiting ability - ND had some pretty good players in 2005&6.

Did they? How many of them are playing professional football right now?
 

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So comparing the two as college coaches, Ty would win.

Ty wins? He ran 2 programs into the ground! CW has left us in a better place than when he came (after Ty's disaster). CW didn't get it done, no doubt, but he didn't run the program into the ground. There is once again talent and depth, something we haven't had in a loooonnnnnnggg time around here. He didn't do a good enough job in the end, and deserves to be fired IMO, but he definitely did more for the program than Ty Golfingham did, that's for sure...
 
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