Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

[TDHeysus]

Well since Weis could not get them to play any better perhaps get rid of him , have no coach and just hold players accountable and donate his salary to Catholic Charities. Obviously you don't consider decent preperation/motivation to be a specific task that Charlie has failed miserably in.

how could have CW more properly prepared/motivated the team for Navy? can you give me some specific examples? Please show the direct result in the Navy game of what CW should have done earlier in the week to properly prepare and motivate.

Can a team be properly motivated and prepared and still fumble, miss FG's, and throw INT's?

are you saying if a team is properly motivated, that INT's, fumbles, and miss fg's wont happen??

 

[WaveDomer]

no one rebutted my questions...not one of you weis hating geniuses could tell me what CW could have done on those plays. every one speed bump'd my questions and just continued to bash CW, as predicted.

some of you tried to turn it around on me, without answering my questions. thats skirting the issue, as predicted

Weis haters...where ya at???

got answers??

/crickets and pindrops

hint: the reason weis haters CANT answer my questions is because the very answers they would give would be in direct contrast to their want to blame weis for all problems. Their answers would, in effect, be a counterpoint to their own argument.

WEis is not free of blame in any of this, but to say Weis was responsible for losing the Navy is just a complete railroad job. The players lost the Navy game.

Turnovers and missed field goals etc. happen. But why is ND struggling to punch the ball in for a score against an undersized team? Why is ND struggling to wrap up and tackle anyone and everyone? Why is Clausen getting sacked twice in a row by guys half the size of his O Line? At some point coaches need to teach blocking and tackling. It's great that they can draw up cool plays, but at some point you need to block to execute that cool play. At some point you'll have to tackle a guy you know is going to run the ball.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Agree Wavedomer. The game was the most atrocious thing I have witnessed in long time. Heads need to roll.

(Even though I predicted a .500 season, it is ugly to watch.)

 

[Sam Crow]

Turnovers and missed field goals etc. happen. But why is ND struggling to punch the ball in for a score against an undersized team? Why is ND struggling to wrap up and tackle anyone and everyone? Why is Clausen getting sacked twice in a row by guys half the size of his O Line? At some point coaches need to teach blocking and tackling. It's great that they can draw up cool plays, but at some point you need to block to execute that cool play. At some point you'll have to tackle a guy you know is going to run the ball.

So now is it Frank Verducci fault instead of CW's? or is it CW's fault for hiring, there's a point where you have to stop blaming coachs and think that maybe it was the players fault because they thought they lost it? It really comes down to whose willing to work harder for it and i seems that navy wanted it more than we did

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

If you have "theoretcally" better athletes and you still lose, it's the coaching. If you are making the mistakes the team is making, it's the coaching.

CW did not miss the field goal, but CW's team is making jr. high mistakes all season. That is coaching.

I think people's expectations were too high for this team.

 

[We_Are_ND]

How many 4-5 star athletes does Navy have?

Answer = 0

Notre Dame should not be losing at home to Navy. This is coaching.

 

[WaveDomer]

So now is it Frank Verducci fault instead of CW's? or is it CW's fault for hiring, there's a point where you have to stop blaming coachs and think that maybe it was the players fault because they thought they lost it? It really comes down to whose willing to work harder for it and i seems that navy wanted it more than we did

Look. For years now this team has had fundamental problems with blocking, tackling, etc. We have 3, 4, and 5 star players on the field. If they are taught, they can learn. They aren't dummies. There is no reason why ND should struggle with blocking and tackling. If I'm the HC and my DC isn't teaching tackling, I'm on him like a bum on a ham sandwich.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I wouldn't mind bologna.

On wheat.

 

[FrankMA]

Look. For years now this team has had fundamental problems with blocking, tackling, etc. We have 3, 4, and 5 star players on the field. If they are taught, they can learn. They aren't dummies. There is no reason why ND should struggle with blocking and tackling. If I'm the HC and my DC isn't teaching tackling, I'm on him like a bum on a ham sandwich.

If guys are not tackling or are out of position on defense, you can fire the DC or D line coach or maybe the secondary coach. All this has been done and we still have the same issues.
If the Oline can't block, you fire the OL coach. This has also been done and we see the same issues. I think Charlie is a great offensive coach. He is the reason JC is a great quarterback. He was the reason Brady Quinn was a great quarterback. According to Tom Brady, Charlie was the one who made him a great quarterback.
But, something is wrong and and needs to be fixed. In the end, the head coach has to take responsibility. If he can't fix the problems-he has to go.

 

[NDinFL]

Frank is spot on......preparation is a mental thing along with teaching physical technique. Not to mention the fact that Mccarthy said himself that they used the exact same defense as the last time they played them....and guess what? WE LOST THAT TIME TOO that isn't the players fault....that's bad coaching

 

[phork]

Dude you have a cool line up of teams you follow, how do you put those on your profile?

I paid a lot of money.

Turnovers and missed field goals etc. happen. But why is ND struggling to punch the ball in for a score against an undersized team? Why is ND struggling to wrap up and tackle anyone and everyone? Why is Clausen getting sacked twice in a row by guys half the size of his O Line? At some point coaches need to teach blocking and tackling. It's great that they can draw up cool plays, but at some point you need to block to execute that cool play. At some point you'll have to tackle a guy you know is going to run the ball.

But you didn't answer TDHeysus' question.

So now is it Frank Verducci fault instead of CW's? or is it CW's fault for hiring, there's a point where you have to stop blaming coachs and think that maybe it was the players fault because they thought they lost it? It really comes down to whose willing to work harder for it and i seems that navy wanted it more than we did

Its been 5 years. With different coaches at the important positions. After a while you have to focus in on the common denominator. The Head Coach is responsible for the entire team, not just the offense, and specifically not just calling plays.

 

[We_Are_ND]

Frank is spot on......preparation is a mental thing along with teaching physical technique. Not to mention the fact that Mccarthy said himself that they used the exact same defense as the last time they played them....and guess what? WE LOST THAT TIME TOO that isn't the players fault....that's bad coaching

we won last year

 

[kmoose]

How many 4-5 star athletes does Navy have?

Answer = 0

And yet they were the #1 rushing team in the country, in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. So they have given more teams than just ND a difficult time.

People need to give credit where credit is due. Navy is not a cupcake. They have a potent rushing attack, and they field 22 over-achievers, every week. Why is everything about how BAD ND was? Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Navy is no longer a walkover?

 

[NDinFL]

I don't know if I would call them "overachieving" they are a tough, hard-nosed team and they run a very succesful, deceptive offensive system...oh and btw sorry about the misinformation on the former ND Navy game.

 

[irishfan]

And yet they were the #1 rushing team in the country, in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. So they have given more teams than just ND a difficult time.

People need to give credit where credit is due. Navy is not a cupcake. They have a potent rushing attack, and they field 22 over-achievers, every week. Why is everything about how BAD ND was? Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Navy is no longer a walkover?

Agreed. They are 14-13 the past 6 years against BCS/ND teams.

 

[ojo_223]

And yet they were the #1 rushing team in the country, in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. So they have given more teams than just ND a difficult time.

People need to give credit where credit is due. Navy is not a cupcake. They have a potent rushing attack, and they field 22 over-achievers, every week. Why is everything about how BAD ND was? Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Navy is no longer a walkover?

The reason why I point to how BAD ND was is because of the amount of points left on the field. Navy did not stop us all day. We shot ourselves in the foot, one touchdown and a field goal instad of turnovers and we win going away. Navy ran all over us but only managed 21 points. This offense should cover that easy.

 

[aaronb]

Turnovers and missed field goals etc. happen. But why is ND struggling to punch the ball in for a score against an undersized team? Why is ND struggling to wrap up and tackle anyone and everyone? Why is Clausen getting sacked twice in a row by guys half the size of his O Line? At some point coaches need to teach blocking and tackling. It's great that they can draw up cool plays, but at some point you need to block to execute that cool play. At some point you'll have to tackle a guy you know is going to run the ball.

How many times did we get blown out in 07-08?

The team is improving. Every game is close.

2010 team will be even better. Another year in the 4-3 and year 2 of Tenuta as DC.

I fear the fanbase is pulling the plug 1 year too early.

Everyone forgets that we pushed out Holtz to get Davie. Then pushed out Davie for O'Leary. Then willingham.

Firing and hiring doesn't guarantee results. More likely it leads to lost years 2007.

 

[phork]

And yet they were the #1 rushing team in the country, in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. So they have given more teams than just ND a difficult time.

People need to give credit where credit is due. Navy is not a cupcake. They have a potent rushing attack, and they field 22 over-achievers, every week. Why is everything about how BAD ND was? Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Navy is no longer a walkover?

Pitt had no trouble stopping them...

 

[Sam Crow]

Pitt had no trouble stopping them...

So true they held dobbs to 21 yards on 26 attemps, and murray.

Against us dobbs had 102 on 31 attemps and vince murray had 158 on 14 attemps. We cut that yardage in half we win the game.

 

[NDMontana]

The reason why I point to how BAD ND was is because of the amount of points left on the field. Navy did not stop us all day. We shot ourselves in the foot, one touchdown and a field goal instad of turnovers and we win going away. Navy ran all over us but only managed 21 points. This offense should cover that easy.

2008 Navy Football Schedule: Towson State, Ball State, Duke, Rutgers, Wake Forest, AFA, Pitt, SMU, Temple, ND, Northern Illinois, Army

2007 Navy Football Schedule: Temple, Rutgers, Ball State, Duke, AFA, Pitt, Wake, Delaware (WHO THEY LOST TO), ND, North Texas, Northern Illinois, Army

2006 Navy Football Schedule: East Carolina, UMass, Stanford, Tulsa, UConn, AFA, Rutgers, ND, Duke, Eastern Michigan, Temple, Army

Suddenly Navy's performance in the recent past doesn't look so mighty.

 

[ojo_223]

2008 Navy Football Schedule: Towson State, Ball State, Duke, Rutgers, Wake Forest, AFA, Pitt, SMU, Temple, ND, Northern Illinois, Army

2007 Navy Football Schedule: Temple, Rutgers, Ball State, Duke, AFA, Pitt, Wake, Delaware (WHO THEY LOST TO), ND, North Texas, Northern Illinois, Army

2006 Navy Football Schedule: East Carolina, UMass, Stanford, Tulsa, UConn, AFA, Rutgers, ND, Duke, Eastern Michigan, Temple, Army

Suddenly Navy's performance in the recent past doesn't look so mighty.

Um. . . yeah. I'm saying we should have won rather easily.

 

[NDMontana]

Um. . . yeah. I'm saying we should have won rather easily.

I know. I was just giving you a little useful info.

 

[ojo_223]

10-4. Thank you.

 

[phork]

People laughed at me last year in response to "holding" Navy to 200 yards. If Pitt can hold them to 126, then imagine what a real defense would do. Stats are a wonderful thing. You can use them any way you want to prove your point.. Towson State? Really? Are you really going to tell me that they are a good team by fist humping teams like that?

 

[irishfan]

People laughed at me last year in response to "holding" Navy to 200 yards. If Pitt can hold them to 126, then imagine what a real defense would do. Stats are a wonderful thing. You can use them any way you want to prove your point.. Towson State? Really? Are you really going to tell me that they are a good team by fist humping teams like that?

Speaking of stats being a wonderful thing, Navy had 218 yards against Pitt. And whats the difference between Navy playing Towson State and Boise playing UC Davis? I think we can all agree that Navy is a pretty good team by the fact that they are 14-13 the past 6 years against BCS team/ND.

 

[NDMontana]

Speaking of stats being a wonderful thing, Navy had 218 yards against Pitt. And whats the difference between Navy playing Towson State and Boise playing UC Davis? I think we can all agree that Navy is a pretty good team by the fact that they are 14-13 the past 6 years against BCS team/ND.

Rutgers, Wake, Duke, Stanford (1-11) in 2006....yes, these schools are from BCS conferences but wins over those teams is no more a feather in the cap than ND beating a lousy Purdue team or Washington State.

 

[NDMontana]

People laughed at me last year in response to "holding" Navy to 200 yards. If Pitt can hold them to 126, then imagine what a real defense would do. Stats are a wonderful thing. You can use them any way you want to prove your point.. Towson State? Really? Are you really going to tell me that they are a good team by fist humping teams like that?

Don't forget about their loss to FBS Delaware....of course Navy beat ND in the same season.

 

[irishfan]

Don't forget about their loss to FBS Delaware....of course Navy beat ND in the same season.

That was Flacco's senior year at Delaware and they eventually lost to App State in the FCS Championship.

 

[NDMontana]

That was Flacco's senior year at Delaware and they eventually lost to App State in the FCS Championship.

And?

They are an FCS team. They lost three other games that season to FCS teams.

 

[irishfan]

And?

They are an FCS team. They lost three other games that season to FCS teams.

I'm not saying they were on App State's level, but they were a pretty good team that year and Flacco had a big game against Navy I'm guessing cause they scored 52 lol