Notre Dame at Michigan, Sep. 12

JefMaj · Sep 9, 2009

I hope Clausen is hurried. Scoring quickly and hurrying to his high fives for those following him to the sideline - eager to hurry to his next series so he can hurry up to where the referee sets for the next first down and then hurryingly scoring again. But, then I kid UM as I do the third world when they are down. Sorry, it's my nature.

UMrealist · Sep 9, 2009

NDinL.A. said:
The funny thing is that anybody who gets pissed at these Mich guys has to realizse that they're not going to convince us, and we're not going to convince them, period. No chance. But it's OK to hear the 'enemy's' point of view, as long as it's civil. Many of us have tried to do it on other fan's boards, and some teams can handle it, and some can't. Let's e the board that can handle these a**holes (just kidding guys...can't wait 'til Saturday!!!!).

Regardless of the outcome, you gotta come back on Sunday, just to say hey. We lose, I'll be the first to give props. Scoreboard. You lose, come back and give props (then duck LOL). Peace...

I will come back on sunday ... be sure to be here yourself, regardless of what happens! (For the record, the "enemy's" point of view is that you willl *probably* win, so I'm not sure there's any big disagreement other than point spread perhaps.)

cheers,
rob

]\/[GoBlue · Sep 9, 2009

UMrealist said:
My understanding was that Penn State's 108K capacity (roughly) was ahead of UM Stadium only last year while segments of the stadium were under construction. This year, the official capacity is back over 110K (will be over 113K next year) and is again larger than Penn State on both a game by game and total season basis.

I don't have a handy link/reference for that, but this is what I've read.

best,
rob

The drop was because of construction yes, but it was because the ACLU was unhappy with our handicap access. And from what I've read the seating will be back in the 2010 season, in fact the first game in the 'new' stadium will be the outdoor hockey game between U of M and MSU.

UMrealist said:
Really? I would have to disagree.

Appy State and the Oregon debacles were under the traditional UM regime, recruiting, condition, coaching and playing style. (Pretty much the same thing that ND is still pursuing now.) Huge lines, tall wideouts and a pro style offense/QB.

To me, those games clearly showed that "the formula" UM had used for decades was growing stale and could be easily beat by more athletic teams running more spread and shred, speed oriented styles on offense and defense.

As such, they were to me a hugely uncomfortable awakening.

The Toledo game? Not too much of a surprise ... new coach, new regime, big graduation of seniors, players mis-cast in their new system .... a fundamental transition to a new style and philosophy Coach Carr would have easily lost 5 or 6 games with that team (assuming Mallett stayed).

A humbling loss, no doubt. But I saw clear reasons for it and believed a transition, as painful as it was, had to happen.

best,
rob

Oregon was badass that year, remember Dixon got injured for the year after our game. Appy state while DII still won the National Championship. Both were spread teams as well, which seemed to be an issue for us. Toledo was just awful, a very poorly executed game for us.

Riddickulous · Sep 9, 2009

UMrealist said:
hahaha! I was wondering when that was coming out.

I think Clausen (Claussen?) will be able to make completions and move the ball ... I think he'd be wise to head away from Donovan Warren.

I think the UM D will play it like they did WMU, solid positional defense with some fast players and solid open field tackling. WMU, other than a couple of breakouts after the game was a blowout in the 4th, had almost no YAK going on Hiller's completions.

The UM linebackers covered underneath very well and showed speed. The D line looked better and faster than expected and with Brandon Graham coming from the defensive end, I think Clausen will be hurried more often than against Nevada and will have to be smart with his check downs to avoid the turnover.

I don't see UM shutting down this offense by any stretch, but if they can keep them somewhat slowed down, we'll have a chance.

best,
rob

Donovan Warren will be covering Michael Floyd. Michael Floyd is a very tough challenge for any defensive back, specifically one who is three inches shorter and almost forty pounds lighter than him. If Floyd is in one-on-one coverage with a chance to make a big play, Clausen will not hesitate to throw the ball to him.

Brandon Graham. The best player on defense, possibly on the entire team, that Michigan has. How will Notre Dame stop him? Last week, Notre Dame squared off against two excellent defensive ends, Basped and Moch. To contain them, early on in the contest the Irish ran four or five plays in a row to Basped's side of the field. A frustrated Basped struggled to get to Clausen all game.

Western may not have had yards after the catch. That doesn't mean a thing. Watching replays of your game, Western's biggest receiver could not have been bigger than 200 pounds. When you have Golden Tate's open field ability and Michael Floyd's strength, expect to see some broken tackles.

Cissoko will be covering Tate. Tate has the advantage of size here, as well, being two inches taller and twenty pounds heavier. I've heard that BooBoo runs a 4.4, but so does Golden Tate, and so did Morgan Trent...who Tate torched last season.

Why do I keep mentioning weight difference in those matchups? Because if they collide in mid-air going for a jump ball, the Notre Dame receivers will have an advantage.

irish4ever · Sep 9, 2009

phork said:
Amazing what a coach can do. 0-12 to compete with one of the better SEC schools in less than a year, and with Willinghams guys.

And that surprises you that Willingham ("when's my tee time") couldn't coach!?!?! Don't tell me that you thought that Willingham could actually coach!?!

phork · Sep 9, 2009

irish4ever said:
And that surprises you that Willingham ("when's my tee time") couldn't coach!?!?! Don't tell me that you thought that Willingham could actually coach!?!

No, the point was that Sarkisian seems to be doing a lot better on the rebound. Of course this is 1 game, lets keep it all in focus. We'll see after the season.
I in fact loathe Willingham, he ruined ND and Washington. So I hope all the racists conspirators and jerk offs who bitched at ND for firing Willingham can enjoy their crow pie with a nice big STFU.

UMrealist · Sep 9, 2009

ClausentoFloyd said:
Donovan Warren will be covering Michael Floyd. Michael Floyd is a very tough challenge for any defensive back, specifically one who is three inches shorter and almost forty pounds lighter than him. If Floyd is in one-on-one coverage with a chance to make a big play, Clausen will not hesitate to throw the ball to him.

Brandon Graham. The best player on defense, possibly on the entire team, that Michigan has. How will Notre Dame stop him? Last week, Notre Dame squared off against two excellent defensive ends, Basped and Moch. To contain them, early on in the contest the Irish ran four or five plays in a row to Basped's side of the field. A frustrated Basped struggled to get to Clausen all game.

Western may not have had yards after the catch. That doesn't mean a thing. Watching replays of your game, Western's biggest receiver could not have been bigger than 200 pounds. When you have Golden Tate's open field ability and Michael Floyd's strength, expect to see some broken tackles.

Cissoko will be covering Tate. Tate has the advantage of size here, as well, being two inches taller and twenty pounds heavier. I've heard that BooBoo runs a 4.4, but so does Golden Tate, and so did Morgan Trent...who Tate torched last season.

Why do I keep mentioning weight difference in those matchups? Because if they collide in mid-air going for a jump ball, the Notre Dame receivers will have an advantage.

No question that the wideout size is an advantage ... there's some speed back there though and it will not be pitch and catch. I think, other than Graham, you may be surprised by the D line ... there is other talent there - I don't much buy the parallel to Nevada's line; our guys will get some pressure.

By the way ... mention Morgan Trent again and I may start acting out. Somehow, that guy made an NFL roster .... good for him. I hope the paying customer's enjoy watching that guy grasp at air while the opposing receiver storms to a TD. He's a good guy, and I salute him as a hard working player with some talent ... but we are glad to move on.

You really haven't mentioned your running game or the D .... I can't imagine you think you'll just happy pass your way to a resounding victory?

UMrealist · Sep 9, 2009

[QUOTE=']\/[ Toledo was just awful, a very poorly executed game for us.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but different team, different year. They were just one of a string of pain on 2008. The 2007 team? There was talent enough to bust up Florida in the Citrus Bowl ... I had expectations and hopes. Not to be repetitive.

GoIrish41 · Sep 9, 2009

UMrealist said:
Well said ... under L. Carr, we had a long series of losses against notably smaller O and D lines ... it wasn't so much the App State loss that horrified UM in 2007 (well, yes it did horrify us) ... but the real shock was seeing the Oregon Ducks come in 2 weeks later and just blow UM off their home field with smaller, faster, extremely well conditioned players all over the field.

WMU had a huge offensive line, all over 300 lbs, and the UM D line blew by them throughout the game. NO, I'm not saying WMU is ND, but I think the point's still valid ... if you're comparing lb. for lb. comparisons of units (so to speak) like the previous poster, you're likely to be very surprised with how that plays out on the field.

best,
rob

PS: From my philly friends: "Hide your Beagles, Micheal Vick's an Eagle".

Don't misunderstand. If our OLine has a decent day, not great but decent, I don't think this game will be close. I just don't think comparing weight is any indication of how the game will turn out.

vinnymac2402 · Sep 9, 2009

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phgreek · Sep 10, 2009

jason_h537 said:
Washington played LSU (From the big bad SEC), and they looked very impressive. Locker always had the potential to be great. This team woke me up a bit wtaching them play.

Amen...that was spooky...that little running back made LSU defenders look slow...when does that EVER happen...Locker was rusty but will be polished by the time we get himn...hope we don't look past 'em...they scare me as much as skunkbear right now...they have alot to prove, and seem determined...

Easton Pa ND Fan · Sep 10, 2009

How about cleaning up your language...

How about cleaning up your language...

vinnymac2402 said:
Phork u send that memo to that cock sucking fag Mark May and let him blow on that.

If you can't say it directly to their face, you
don't say it...Tom

Would you talk like that to your mother?

Easton Pa ND Fan · Sep 10, 2009

A different viewpoint...

A different viewpoint...

GoIrish41 said:
Week one tells us very little about ND's opponents this season because they all played cupcakes.

It tells us plenty, the fact that they did as well against
supposedly inferior talent says their talent is there.

Navy and Washington played equal or greater talent than ND
can muster, they did quite well.

Pitt, Boston College, Stanford, UM, MSU, Pitt, etc. went
through their rosters and scored at will. Would ND score
as many points dipping down to the third string, etc.

USC had a tuneup for Ohio St. pure and simple.

Purdue was in a shootout and remains a mystery.

WSU is WSU.

and that is the f-ing way it is...Tom

vinnymac2402 · Sep 10, 2009

I apologize for the laguage but let me tell u i would tell it to his face that i dont have a problem with

irishfan · Sep 10, 2009

Can't believe their fans are doing a "maize-out" for the game. Gonna be one extremely ugly swarm of yellow in the stands

military_irish · Sep 10, 2009

just read this morning that Denard Robinson is possibly the faster player that ND has faced in a few years, and fastest we will face all year. because he ran the fastest 100m in the country last year. but just because one has straight line speed doesn't make them a good football player, i just want to see how he runs once some one lays a good hit on him.

]\/[GoBlue · Sep 10, 2009

military_irish said:
just read this morning that Denard Robinson is possibly the faster player that ND has faced in a few years, and fastest we will face all year. because he ran the fastest 100m in the country last year. but just because one has straight line speed doesn't make them a good football player, i just want to see how he runs once some one lays a good hit on him.

Ask and you shall receive

YouTube - Denard Robinson's First Play at Quarterback

military_irish · Sep 10, 2009

i have no doubt he is fast and ellusive, i seen that one play all over the highlight reels. and its even more immpresive that it was his first play. but i wasn't able to watch too much of that game but was he ever tested by actually having a good hit layed on him?

]\/[GoBlue · Sep 10, 2009

I believe the only real hit that was laid on a UM QB was Tate, and he bounced up pretty quick. But to be honest these types of QB's have to be used to getting hit, they run and expose themselves, it's part of the job description.

Easton Pa ND Fan · Sep 10, 2009

My wife reads this forum...

My wife reads this forum...

vinnymac2402 said:
I apologize for the laguage but let me tell u i would tell it to his face that i dont have a problem with

It has been pretty clean in the past, lets keep it that
way. Thanks...Tom

military_irish · Sep 10, 2009

that is true considering they will use there feet more than a normal drop back QB, i'm not sure how tough they really are but once they get in a game where there is constant pressure and being hit around. just curious as how they will react. i will go back to the 2007 game, i still shutter, but when Clausen was a freshmen and was constantly hit and made uncomfortable, well we all know how that turned out. i'm glad we have more of the experience on our side this time

IrishAlum1997 · Sep 10, 2009

Saturday in Ann Arbor, 73 degrees, 10% chance of rain.

I would say 100% chance of Jimmy raining BOMBS all over the skunkbear secondary!

GO IRISH!!! · Sep 10, 2009

Can I just say that UMrealist and ]V[GoBlue have really brought a lot to this thread. Very cool to see two opposing points of view that bring such well thought out and level-headed discussion to the table. I am glad you guys came by and I hope you don't just bail on us after this game win or lose. Nice too see other posters from different fan bases that actually have arguments other than "You guys suck!" or "Charlie is fat!".

JeremyND07 · Sep 10, 2009

Please just put Teo as the spy on these QB's and tell him your only job is to destroy whoever is at QB. I would really love to see Denard Robinson try to spin and BAMMMM Teo sends his helmet flying!!!! He gets up with Teo's help and is scared to run the rest of the game.

military_irish · Sep 10, 2009

JeremyND07 said:
Please just put Teo as the spy on these QB's and tell him your only job is to destroy whoever is at QB. I would really love to see Denard Robinson try to spin and BAMMMM Teo sends his helmet flying!!!! He gets up with Teo's help and is scared to run the rest of the game.

thats what i am hoping for, put fear in them early. and they will hesitate the rest of the game, if we let them slip away a few times for some big yardage that will just add to their confidence and that might not bode well for the rest of the game. but if Teo is in there, we already seen the type of closing speed and power he has behind his hits.

]\/[GoBlue · Sep 10, 2009

irishfan said:
Can't believe their fans are doing a "maize-out" for the game. Gonna be one extremely ugly swarm of yellow in the stands

Better than that color the student section at the Nevada game was wearing, wtf was that a flesh out?

None of us compare to Penn St and the White Out, hate them, love that.

military_irish · Sep 10, 2009

]\/[GoBlue said:
Better than that color the student section at the Nevada game was wearing, wtf was that a flesh out?

None of us compare to Penn St and the White Out, hate them, love that.

i'm not going to lie, i don't like Penn St. at all but seeing that white out is an absolutely amazing sight

BGIF · Sep 10, 2009

vinnymac2402 said:
I apologize for the laguage but let me tell u i would tell it to his face that i dont have a problem with

Then call him up and tell it to HIS face.

Keep it off this board. Your original post was flushed.

POST LIKE A CHAMPION!

BGIF
Community Moderator

BGIF · Sep 10, 2009

GO IRISH!!! said:
Can I just say that UMrealist and ]V[GoBlue have really brought a lot to this thread. Very cool to see two opposing points of view that bring such well thought out and level-headed discussion to the table. I am glad you guys came by and I hope you don't just bail on us after this game win or lose. Nice too see other posters from different fan bases that actually have arguments other than "You guys suck!" or "Charlie is fat!".

Also nice when ND fans do the same.

tankjeep · Sep 10, 2009

BGIF said:
Also nice when ND fans do the same.

i saved a guiness for ya when the game starts.

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