'10 UT S Chris Badger (BYU Transfer)

[jason_h537]

Zibby was a boxing badass, a good punt returner, and a model player and student by most accounts. He is also an excellent athlete, and an NFL player. I even bought a #9 Jersey a few years back. That said, there was no drop off from him to McCarthy. Kyle is one of the best tacklers on the team. Zibby would too often go for the huge hit, only to have the other player spin off and keep going while he ate dirt. I attribute much of his weakness to the scheme. Minters pass defense was pathetic, and later on Zibby felt he had to cheat up to shore up the run defense.

Exactly. McCarthy is a safe player. Which i don't mind especially playing next to Hayseed, who is more like Zibby in my opinion in his style of play.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Badger Badger Badger Badger Mushroom Mushroom... Badger Badger Badger Badger SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE SNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

 

[OCIrish]

Much of Zibby's problem can be attributed to the defese called by Minter. There were times, especially the NC game where he got "burnt", but the player that beat him for a long TD, wasn't his guy in coverage. Ndukwe was out of position as he was often in their zone coverages.

 

[WabashFalcon]

This kid can lay the wood... but if you look at him... man can he jump routes.

 

[irishandy]

I turned on the 11 o'clock news this evening and found out the great news. They showed his film and he quick and hard hitting. Glad to have him on board. Go Irish!!

 

[NDFan78]

It's always nice to see a player from BYU country go to another school.

 

[jason_h537]

Apparently Te'o helped seal the deal. They went to check out the Mormon Church together

 

[BGIF]

Does ResLife know about this???

Why he didn't walk home naked with a female faculty member.

 

[BGIF]

Don't get me wrong I like the pick up as I think he's a good fit for the program but he's nowhere near as athletic or as fast as Zibby. Btw, he's Mormon and there is more than a decent chance he goes on mission for a couple years. He's not an impact player that going to see PT as a freshman so he will more or less be RS and then go on mission with him returning for 2013 season.

Good assessment without the Kool-Aid.

Aside from the fondness for hitting I don't understand the comparison to Zibby. Zibby was a HS option QB who ran a 4.4. Badger is slow for a LB.

I don't see the nickel back projection either. He's no Sergio. He might play ST as freshman.

 

[BostonND]

Badger Badger Badger Badger Mushroom Mushroom... Badger Badger Badger Badger SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE SNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Nice.

Also, I can see the headlines now... "Chris Badgers the Wolverines for 11 Tackles, Forced Fumble"

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Don't get me wrong I like the pick up as I think he's a good fit for the program but he's nowhere near as athletic or as fast as Zibby. Btw, he's Mormon and there is more than a decent chance he goes on mission for a couple years. He's not an impact player that going to see PT as a freshman so he will more or less be RS and then go on mission with him returning for 2013 season.

Wouldnt it be the 2012 season?

2009 - Senior year HS
2010 - Freshman Year ND
2011 - Mission
2012 - Back at ND

Unless I am missing something, please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Or is the mission 2 years?

 

[BGIF]

Or is the mission 2 years?

4 years all at 46556.

They've heard of ResLife and have come to lead them to the path of righteousness.

 

[notredomer23]

Good assessment without the Kool-Aid.

Aside from the fondness for hitting I don't understand the comparison to Zibby. Zibby was a HS option QB who ran a 4.4. Badger is slow for a LB.

I don't see the nickel back projection either. He's no Sergio. He might play ST as freshman.

I do not agree that he is slow for a LB. He ran a 4.65...average linebacker speed. He can easily get faster, and with his hitting ability I want him on the field

 

[BGIF]

I do not agree that he is slow for a LB. He ran a 4.65...average linebacker speed. He can easily get faster, and with his hitting ability I want him on the field

Ran a 4.65 or is listed at 4.65?

Where did he run it? For his coach?

How many Div 1 LB play at 178? He'd have to pack at least 50 pounds on the body, that did test, to be a Div 1 LB.

"He can easily get faster ..." Some kids do but not easily. They go to speed school and work and puke their butts off. I know several that have done so successfully BUT most kids add to their time when their coach doesn't have his thumb on the clock. It's amazing how HS times get slower when athletes hit campus. Just as most college (team) times get slower when NFL prospects get clocked for the money.


Here's his Combine Data from his rivals profile

Chris Badger - 2009 U.S. Army National Combine

San Antonio, TX
January 5, 2009

Event Data

Height: 5-foot-11.5
Weight: 178 pounds
40-yard dash: 4.84 seconds
Shuttle speed: 4.78
Vertical leap: 26"

Tell me how impressive the 26 inch leap is.

That's an lineman's number, not LBs, much less an DBs.


Scout lists an '08 Combine leap of 29 inches for him. Equally underwhelming for a DB.

Scout.com: Chris Badger Profile


Here's his ESPN Data. It doesn't say where or when the data was tested.

Chris Badger - College Football Recruiting 2010 - ESPN

Hometown Provo, UT High SchoolTimpview High School Height6'0"Weight184 lbs.Three Cone Drill7.08Vertical Jump30.5"Broad Jump9'8''40-yd dash4.7520-yd shuttle4.35
3 sets of data that don't indicate impact player.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

I would not suck his measurables. Remember Lambert ran a 4.34 a Pro Day at ND. You can't measure heart.


Even his Dad, a Stanford Alum, put on a ND shirt and was blown away by the campus.

 

[NDOM]

I do not agree that he is slow for a LB. He ran a 4.65...average linebacker speed. He can easily get faster, and with his hitting ability I want him on the field

I agree notredomer23, I totally agree with you EXCEPT.....You CAN NOT teach speed, plain and simple. You are either fast or slow. You may be able to get a smidge faster but other than that there is just no getting faster.

 

[hamiljar]

For all the people that love 40 times, which
I am one sometimes. You need to watch his
film this kids looks like a stud football player.
I know a lot of guys that have worked with a
speed coach and knocked there time down from
4.75 to 4.58. If Badger does that would that make
everyone feel like he is a better football player?
I think only our perception of him would go up. I
don't really care because he look like stud to me.

Go IrishBadger!

 

[IrishAddiction]

40 yard dash times doesnt always equal out to be good football speed. not saying i dont like the kids with the 4.3 fortys, but putting on the PADS and running fast is different than running without them. Lets just hope this kid gets faster and starts knocking the hell out of people when he gets on the field here.

 

[jason_h537]

Badger ran a 4.84 at a nike camp, Amerson ran a 4.82 that same camp. Kid can hit, has a football players mentallity. Not saying he will be a superstar but he seems like someone who will contribute. He is a safety with a linebackers menatlity

 

[gocrimson77]

Football speed is different from game speed. Jerry Rice only ran a 4.6 yet had to get triple covered in his prime.

Chris can improve his speed. The Army combine was right after the season in the middle of Winter. He's done a lot since then.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Football speed is different from game speed. Jerry Rice only ran a 4.6 yet had to get triple covered in his prime.

Chris can improve his speed. The Army combine was right after the season in the middle of Winter. He's done a lot since then.

Nice post and welcome!

 

[Junkhead]

So sick of 40-yd time nonsense - CBSSports.com Message Boards

Emmitt Smith ran a 4.8.

 

[gocrimson77]

Or is the mission 2 years?

Mormon missions last two years. Chris is commited to ND and if he has the opportunity to contribute early he will stay and play. He'll do whatever the coach asks him.

 

[gocrimson77]

btw, I'm one of Chris' brothers so if anyone has any questions I'll be glad to help.

 

[jason_h537]

from now on when some one claims to be someone we should require at least two forms of id

 

[NDinL.A.]

btw, I'm one of Chris' brothers so if anyone has any questions I'll be glad to help.

Considering that you're a Stanford family, are you guys a little mad that he's not going to Stanford after all, or is it all love?

 

[BGIF]

Mormon missions last two years. Chris is commited to ND and if he has the opportunity to contribute early he will stay and play. He'll do whatever the coach asks him.

With all due respect, we don't have any way of knowing who's a family member and who's pulling our chain. It's happened before both ways.

I "met" Joey Getherall's sister on a AOL board in '96. She was actually posting under her real name. I made a similar comment to that poster as the one above I further suggested as a female it may not be wise to use your real name. You don't know who's out there and some posters can be intentionally cruel. At the time I was the recruiting moderator on the Irish Recruiting Journal (IRJ) and had deleted some pretty foul posts about players and their family members. The next day a guy posted on the IRJ claiming to be her father and the recruit's father. He appreciated my comments and wanted to thank me. Joe suggested we swap emails. The first one I got was a thank you note and his phone number. He was an LA detective and appalled his daughter was posting under her own name. We've stayed in touch a couple times a week for 13 years.

Three years ago a current member of the ND team posted on the site while a recruit. He substantiated his bona fides as well.

About two weeks ago a poster claimed he was a current recruit. I sent him a private message about us not knowing if he's real or a provocateur. And suggested he email me or contact any of the broad moderators. I also raised concern about contact between "boosters" and recruits. It can be an issue and we don't want to jeopardize a recruit's status. To my knowledge he's not been back.


So with that preamble. Tons of questions.

Does the individual Mormon young man get to set the timing of the mission or does a Church official say like the Draft Broad, "Greeting's! It's time. Report on such and such a date." ?

Having followed recruiting on ND boards for more than 15 years, I defer to the coaches. They're the professionals, they're the ones whose livilihoods are attached to those recruits they judge to be the best fit. As a fan I'm not locked into a highlight tape (they are "highlights") or measurables (I have more faith in combine results than the player's coach) but they are the only thing fans have to talk about. Most of don't get to go to HS games to see them in action and most don't have a keen enough eye to make a refined judgement if we did much less project body size and position in 2 or 3 years.

From the film I have no doubt he's a hitter. But Div I players are a lot quicker, bigger, and stronger. As I assume you know better than I the whole game is faster. With those qualifiers tell me about his combine results. While some of the people here are dismissing the 40's time due to pads, actual game situation and such, I see them comparable to his peers. Other safeties, other LBs, whatever position he plays. His 40 times (not one but a couple) are on the high side. His vertical leap is on the low side. I don't question his heart that's apparent. "Rudy" had heart. Joey Getherall has a bigger heart but at 5'-7" he wasn't going to outleap may 6-2 safeties for a jump ball.

Chris strikes me as a old time hard nose LB but I understand he supposed to be a safety, hence my questions. I have no doubt he can stop a TE at the goal line with a game saving tackle like Ivory Covington did for ND. Some posters here are comparing him to Tom Zibokowski, a tough but fleet DB. Also a great return man with his superior footspeed. Nobody was tougher on the team but pass coverage was not his forte. He made some great plays on defense but he also got beat badly and too often. Chris also made me think of Chad DeBolt from 5 or 6 years back. A walk-on who was a dynamo on special teams. Not the biggest, not the fastest, but around the ball.

 

[Junkhead]

I have to take the side of the coaching staff. (for once) If they have shown anything, it is recruiting. Why obsess about numbers. For example, what is Kyle McCarthys 40 time compared to Zibby? You are either a football player or not.

 

[BGIF]

I have to take the side of the coaching staff. (for once) If they have shown anything, it is recruiting. Why obsess about numbers. For example, what is Kyle McCarthys 40 time compared to Zibby? You are either a football player or not.

And if Zibby and McCarthy were on the same team at the same position, Zibby would be starting.