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This for example is almost certainly suggesting 1 - 2 SEC 3 loss teams over us:

 
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10 - 2 Northwestern’s potential resume:

Losses to IU and OSU. Best win 9 - 3 Iowa.

LOL. Just admit it’s rage bait. If this was actually 4 spots above ND, it would be further evidence of massive conference collusion.
 
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NumbersGuy0520 said:
Yeah I read lax’s comment and had flashbacks to Conference Championship Saturday where basically everything went in our favor and I thought we were for sure in. Bama being blown out + BYU losing… no way they drop one but not the other, especially Bama, right?

Currently starting to see the echo chamber ramp up about ND’s “free pass” spot at top-12 being ridiculous. If we end up near the edge of the top 12 at 10-2, I am sure that the committee would be strongly compelled to drop us to 13 to secure another SEC or Big Ten team.
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You mean the unbiased committee that has SEC and Big 10 ADs as members?
 
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The hand wringing over us being ranked over BYU when there was nary a peep from any of these idiots for OSU over UT after their OU loss gives away the entire game. It’s a total joke
 
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One team lost by 4 on the road to another one loss team.

The other lost by 28 at home to a two loss team.

South Carolina, Texas A&M, and OU - if we are throwing out power ratings as suggested - deserve no reward. Wisconsin and LSU are both two loss ranked wins. Two OT wins by Kentucky.

If it’s only a resume thing, and power ratings are thrown out, Josh is correct on only one thing, the answer is clearly ND.
 
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Dale said:


One team lost by 4 on the road to another one loss team.

The other lost by 28 at home to a two loss team.

South Carolina, Texas A&M, and OU - if we are throwing out power ratings as suggested - deserve no reward. Wisconsin and LSU are both two loss ranked wins. Two OT wins by Kentucky.

If it’s only a resume thing, and power ratings are thrown out, Josh is correct on only one thing, the answer is clearly ND.
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This years CFP discussion is shaping up to be especially toxic with all the 2-4 loss SEC teams we're going to see.
 
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NDPhilly said:
This years CFP discussion is shaping up to be especially toxic with all the 2-4 loss SEC teams we're going to see.
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I want to bash my skull in already on the H2H discussion with BYU and the first CFP rankings haven't even come out. I can't believe we're back here already.
 
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NDPhilly said:
This years CFP discussion is shaping up to be especially toxic with all the 2-4 loss SEC teams we're going to see.
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If the intraconference SOS thing gets jammed down our throats, this would be the just result:

Tennessee and LSU get torpedoed - Tennessee plays Auburn, Vandy, Arkansas and A&M while avoiding Georgia. LSU is similar, but playing only 3.
 
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NumbersGuy0520 said:
Yeah I read lax’s comment and had flashbacks to Conference Championship Saturday where basically everything went in our favor and I thought we were for sure in. Bama being blown out + BYU losing… no way they drop one but not the other, especially Bama, right?

Currently starting to see the echo chamber ramp up about ND’s “free pass” spot at top-12 being ridiculous. If we end up near the edge of the top 12 at 10-2, I am sure that the committee would be strongly compelled to drop us to 13 to secure another SEC or Big Ten team.
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Yeah I get what you guys are saying, and to be clear I was one of the "doomers" who thought we would get screwed last year because of the bias / financial interests in the room and I was proven correct.

What I'm trying to say is that in the scenario where both Wisconsin and SMU finish 8-4 or worse... very very low probability that ND would have the resume to get in over other 2-loss teams and would probably get jumped by some 3-loss teams because they would have zero "ranked" wins. The committee over-indexes who you beat (with circular logic, using their own rankings as justification) and under-indexes who you lost to.

But let's say SMU and Wisconsin both finish 10-2, there is a 0.0% chance that a 10-2 ND gets left out with those two wins and only losses to Miami/BYU. You just have to put together the puzzle of what it would mean for those teams to finish with those records and you cannot conceivably come up with a path where ND gets left out.
 
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Yeah I get what you guys are saying, and to be clear I was one of the "doomers" who thought we would get screwed last year because of the bias / financial interests in the room and I was proven correct.

What I'm trying to say is that in the scenario where both Wisconsin and SMU finish 8-4 or worse... very very low probability that ND would have the resume to get in over other 2-loss teams and would probably get jumped by some 3-loss teams because they would have zero "ranked" wins. The committee over-indexes who you beat (with circular logic, using their own rankings as justification) and under-indexes who you lost to.

But let's say SMU and Wisconsin both finish 10-2, there is a 0.0% chance that a 10-2 ND gets left out with those two wins and only losses to Miami/BYU. You just have to put together the puzzle of what it would mean for those teams to finish with those records and you cannot conceivably come up with a path where ND gets left out.
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I agree with this, but there's still technically a world where a ton of teams pick up a 3rd loss and MAYBE ND squeaks in, but that is not a road I want to go down.
 
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Clearly? Clearly was last year and we got hosed. A lot more conference cannibalism needs to take place for us to squeak in at 10-2 plus the loss to Miami has to be a close one. Our team needs to be cranking on all cylinders against Miami as they will be #1 and that plus revenge for last year should be motivation enough.
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To be fair, the committee essentially told us that we would miss the CFP the week before the final reveal. They protected Bama by moving them ahead of us after they barely beat a 5-7 Auburn, and they said H2H would come into play if Miami was next to us. Bama was always going to be in, even if they lost by 40 to Georgia, and with BYU likely losing to Texas Tech there would be no buffer and Miami would jump us.
 
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But let's say SMU and Wisconsin both finish 10-2, there is a 0.0% chance that a 10-2 ND gets left out with those two wins and only losses to Miami/BYU.
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Big Ten 3, Big 12 2, ACC 1, G6 1, SEC 4.

You are so 100% sure after last year a 4th 10 - 2 Big Ten team or a 5th SEC team with a ton of ranked wins will be left out? What if Miami loses the ACC Championship, ACC not gonna get two?

Of course there is a way.
 
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Notre Dame has a chance to beat the #1 team in the country at home to avenge both a loss and a college football playoff snub last year. If they can't figure out a way to win this game with all of those factors, what's the point of going to the playoffs? Worst case scenario, missing the playoffs may at least bring some change to the coaching staff. But count me in as one who thinks ND beats Miami, and all of these scenarios become moot.
 
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As of now Wisconsin and SMU are both projected to finish 9-3 on FPI. I dont think thats enough to get SMU ranked, but Wisconsin probably would be in the 20s.
 
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Dale said:
Big Ten 3, Big 12 2, ACC 1, G6 1, SEC 4.

You are so 100% sure after last year a 4th 10 - 2 Big Ten team or a 5th SEC team with a ton of ranked wins will be left out? What if Miami loses the ACC Championship, ACC not gonna get two?

Of course there is a way.
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No there isn't and I'm not going to waste time typing the paragraphs about how obviously a 10-2 team with wins over Big Ten T2 and ACC #2 would clearly be in. Your example would have SMU beating Miami and then ND would own a win over ACC champ.
 
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No there isn't and I'm not going to waste time typing the paragraphs about how obviously a 10-2 team with wins over Big Ten T2 and ACC #2 would clearly be in. Your example would have SMU beating Miami and then ND would own a win over ACC champ.
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Great. I have zero faith that this is a logical resume based selection process, I’m surprised you now do but to each their own. It’s conferences and spots. Hopefully one is leftover or Pete pissed enough people off or made concessions for the last 11 months.
 
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What last year taught me is that only one poll matters, the last one. Everything prior to that is just a reality TV or soap opera. I think last year and the BYU game have just sort of broken me. I don’t really care where we are ranked. Everyone fretting about what BYUs loss would mean for our AP ranking, I just can’t relate at all. I want to beat Miami, that’s it. The entire CFP process is phonier than a 3 dollar bill so I’m not gonna fret over it.

We lost our chance at absolute certainty over control of our destiny in Provo 10 days ago, but we can still maintain most of it by beating Miami. That’s the season right there.
 
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Bane said:
What last year taught me is that only one poll matters, the last one. Everything prior to that is just a reality TV or soap opera. I think last year and the BYU game have just sort of broken me. I don’t really care where we are ranked. Everyone fretting about what BYUs loss would mean for our AP ranking, I just can’t relate at all. I want to beat Miami, that’s it. The entire CFP process is phonier than a 3 dollar bill so I’m not gonna fret over it.

We lost our chance at absolute certainty over control of our destiny in Provo 10 days ago, but we can still maintain most of it by beating Miami. That’s the season right there.
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To me, I want our resume to look so good as to not be a complete embarrassment that gets torn to shred but I have no illusion the committee is somehow reviewing A vs B and combing over criteria to make their decision. Like we need to get in the same ballpark sure but after that it’s justification not causation.

I mean they called the SEC Championship an extra game. The holy grail was reduced to zero meaning. Anything is possible
 
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